The peeling doesn't look like impact damage to me (from the picture anyway).
Thank you kindly.
Why are Jacoby cues not more popular? Are they not considered custom?
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The peeling doesn't look like impact damage to me (from the picture anyway).
Thank you kindly.
I'm not sure it is or is not the result from an impact.
However there are two different types of damage that can be seen in the photograph.
1) further forward on the sleeve you can see a cloudy void between the clear and the ring under it, as well as many other places on the sleeve .. this would indicate that the void is in fact between the clear and the ring. This does appear to be the work of moisture, but with out being able to test it's only a probable guess.
2) If you look closely just above and slightly forward of the green circle you can see many very small cracks in the finish - looks like a miniature windshield in a car at the point of impact - it has that spider web shatter look to it. I can not discern the point of impact by just looking at the photo - but it may be there.
I do not find the theory of this being the result of an impact followed by moisture intrusion to be disproven by the photograph.
In fact, the photo suggests that this theory is plausible.
Just my two cents.
Justinb386,
Your cue is not an overly expensive model on the best of days, even on day #1 when new. To be in the condition of yours genuinely hurts the resale. When a potential buyer sees your cue for sale, then looks at condition, they keep on looking other places because there are a ton of alternatives in your potential price range.
If you want to sell without refinishing, be prepared to sell at a low price. Yes, it will cost to refinish, but you will get at least the amount of refinish in additional selling price. And you will sell the cue.
I have held a couple of Jacoby cues that had a selling price of over $10k apiece. But most of their cues are not high dollar, even when new.
By the way, I think they play fine, certainly for the money.
I would refinish your cue if mine, and sell it.
Good luck!
Will Prout
I am a Schon and a Jacoby dealer. Many people like the Radial pin to wood shaft threads. However, Jacoby does also make many cues with the stainless steel joint which features a 5/16 x 14 thread that the shaft has a piloted 5/16 x 14 insert. Pretty much the same as a Schon.
I am not sure if you bought this cue new or not, but, I have had different cue makers cues do the same thing as what is showing on this cue. The answer I have received from a refinisher is that when they apply the finish on the cue, the cue is having a reaction that is causing the cloud effect going on. I am not a cue maker !!, so, I am only telling you what a couple of cues that showed the same effect was given an explanation to me.
Maybe ??, the glue or what ever that was used to hold the inserts in the butt sleeve is reacting to the new seal cote or finish. This being said, my weak opinion is that this cue was already refinished before you bought it.
I had lined up a person who had a Meucci refinished and it looked stunning !!!, about three weeks later, the cue owner showed me the cue and he had the same exact situation. We sent the cue back to the refinisher and it happened again as the refinisher kept the cue to see if it would happen again and sure enough, did. He could not stop the reaction through 3 attempts.
Again, I have no idea of cue making and maybe this is totally wrong, I don't know. But, if you decided to have the cue refinished, I would only send it to Jacoby as yes, you probably are going to pay more, but, their concoctions of what they use will probably not have this reaction.
If I remember correctly, one of the cues that caused this same situation was completely stripped and I was told that the cue must have had some loose part of the cue and a huge number of small holes were drilled and I was told that maybe an epoxy was probably just shot into all the holes to help glue the loose part. Then, when the clear coat was applied, it had a reaction to the epoxy and caused this same effect.
To me, dump the cue with the understanding and move on if you don't want to put good money into it at Jacoby. This might be a nightmare to anyone you send the cue to have it refinished or it could be out of your hands for a long, long time.
I am not sure if you bought this cue new or not, but, I have had different cue makers cues do the same thing as what is showing on this cue. The answer I have received from a refinisher is that when they apply the finish on the cue, the cue is having a reaction that is causing the cloud effect going on. I am not a cue maker !!, so, I am only telling you what a couple of cues that showed the same effect was given an explanation to me.
Maybe ??, the glue or what ever that was used to hold the inserts in the butt sleeve is reacting to the new seal cote or finish. This being said, my weak opinion is that this cue was already refinished before you bought it.
I had lined up a person who had a Meucci refinished and it looked stunning !!!, about three weeks later, the cue owner showed me the cue and he had the same exact situation. We sent the cue back to the refinisher and it happened again as the refinisher kept the cue to see if it would happen again and sure enough, did. He could not stop the reaction through 3 attempts.
Again, I have no idea of cue making and maybe this is totally wrong, I don't know. But, if you decided to have the cue refinished, I would only send it to Jacoby as yes, you probably are going to pay more, but, their concoctions of what they use will probably not have this reaction.
If I remember correctly, one of the cues that caused this same situation was completely stripped and I was told that the cue must have had some loose part of the cue and a huge number of small holes were drilled and I was told that maybe an epoxy was probably just shot into all the holes to help glue the loose part. Then, when the clear coat was applied, it had a reaction to the epoxy and caused this same effect.
To me, dump the cue with the understanding and move on if you don't want to put good money into it at Jacoby. This might be a nightmare to anyone you send the cue to have it refinished or it could be out of your hands for a long, long time.
white stuff
I have recently become interested in Jacoby cues when I met Brandon at the APA Nationals and tried the Edge Hybrid Shaft. I loved it. It hit like my 30 year old Meucci playing cue with better feel and control. I bought a 10 year old Jacoby that they are refinishing for me now along with making a new matching hybrid shaft. I saw you cue either here or ebay awhile ago. It just didn't look that good. The white stuff in the picture was a real turn off. Storage, bad finish, whatever the reason. Someone has to love the looks of a cue in order to buy it and decide to refinish it for themselves. To resell, the market isn't that good for almost any cue including Palmer's. To buy it to keep it the way it looks...it doesn't look special, so why would anyone do it? You asked so I'm just trying to be honest.
I have recently become interested in Jacoby cues when I met Brandon at the APA Nationals and tried the Edge Hybrid Shaft. I loved it. It hit like my 30 year old Meucci playing cue with better feel and control. I bought a 10 year old Jacoby that they are refinishing for me now along with making a new matching hybrid shaft. I saw you cue either here or ebay awhile ago. It just didn't look that good. The white stuff in the picture was a real turn off. Storage, bad finish, whatever the reason. Someone has to love the looks of a cue in order to buy it and decide to refinish it for themselves. To resell, the market isn't that good for almost any cue including Palmer's. To buy it to keep it the way it looks...it doesn't look special, so why would anyone do it? You asked so I'm just trying to be honest.
Pictures
Why would you even post pictures of something for sale without looking over your pictures first. Especially considering how many times you have listed the cue for sale. For me that's a red flag right there that someone didn't take pride in the cue or take care of it properly.
Why would you even post pictures of something for sale without looking over your pictures first. Especially considering how many times you have listed the cue for sale. For me that's a red flag right there that someone didn't take pride in the cue or take care of it properly.
justinb386
Banned
Thanks for the very interesting reply. I really hope that what happened to that cue is not the same situation that my Jacoby is in. I am really hoping that a refinish will make the cue perfect, and it will remain perfect. I hope that it is not a moisture issue. I was just told that the original owner had an extension on the cue, and that is the reason why the finish chipped off of the cue like that. Maybe moisture got into that messed up finish since I have had the cue though. I do not know. The cue is still straight as an arrow though, and I assume that moisture damage would eventually warp a cue.
justinb386
Banned
I do not know. I guess I am just not too bright. I did know that the finish was really messed up though. It may have gotten worse over time (in the year that I have had the cue). I should have had the cue refinished as soon as I purchased it. Now there may be moisture damage, that can't be repaired with a refinish. I do not know. I just have not had the extra money to get it refinished.
It's not difficult to obtain a new jacoby and they have cues in all price ranges. Your cue is not in good shape, not a unique model and not a great deal (adding in the headache and price of getting the cue refinished). This is probably why your cue hasn't sold.
Not sure about why they are not popular in other people's books but I personally do not like how they do buisness. I had a very high end wrapless cue that I purchased years ago. All if the rings were popping through the finish and after contacting jacoby Dave agreed to refinish the cue. He stated that this should fix it but if not he would build me a similar cue just without the metal rings in exchange for mine. Within a month the rings were popping through again. When I contacted jacoby about this I was told that they would not build me another cue as promised but I would have to choose a cue out of the currently available section on their website. Also the value they were willing to give me for the exchange was over a grand less then the cue I had with the issues. I have no intention of doing any buisness with them again and refuse to recommend them to anyone that asked me for advice on cues. This was easily the worst experience I've had with a cuemaker besides a couple experiences with leonard bludworth (I'm sure many people can relate to having issues with leonard lol).
justinb386
Banned
You make a great point. I just sold it yesterday (on ebay), and it is now gone, and I find myself without a cue now. After ebay fees, I feel like I really ripped myself off. I feel that the cue was worth a lot more to me, then anyone else. I love the sharp ivory inlays, and the design of the cue. Love the malachite inlays in the cue too. Love the BEM forearm. In reply to the person that said it is not unique, I think it is unique (in my mind anyways). That cue would have been so beautiful after a refinish, and for $100 (plus shipping both ways), I could have had an amazing finish put on it from Scott Sherbine (of Proficient Billiards). I am feeling really sad now that the cue is gone. I see another Jacoby on ebay right now, and really love the looks of it.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/272192025310?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
Seller wants too much money for it though (for me anyways).