Why can't women play as good as men?
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This is a good point for me to jump in and interject something I've said dozens of times before, but I don't think people get it.Cuedog said:
Of the women who have enough natural talent and coordination that a professional pool player would require, what brings those numbers down?
Other sports
Breasts
Children
In no particular order.
If a woman is that naturally gifted, she probably is already going to head to other mainstream sports.
If she started young (which most need to become profesional caliber), the change in her body would be tremendous compared to a man. And if a woman gets large breasts, and isn't playing square to the table, I think there could be learning issues as her body changes.
And I can't think of many natural things that could de-rail a pool player than having children and being the one normally to look after them the majority of the time.
These three are just a handful that drives numbers down, and could potentially take away the possible very best of the potential in women.
Fred
StormHotRod300 said:
Until the IPT came along in the past year, I think that for American women, perhaps they played too much 9-ball.
In 9-ball, top American players like Fisher or Corr might break-and-run about 25% of the time. For 8-ball, in looking at the North American IPT break-and-run statistics, it appears that most of the women break-and-run just 5% of the time.
By contrast, in looking at the IPT break-and-run statistics for the men, top players like Reyes will break-and-run at 22%; Archer at 27%; Bustamante at 33%; Hohmann at 18%.
Break-and-runs aren't everything as Sarah Ellerby who was the only woman to advance to the next day, has just 3 B&R. However, a powerful breaker like Bustamante who currently has 31 B&R, certainly has a much easier time winning racks.
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Harvywallbanger said:I hope I don't get slaughtered for this but it is something I was wondering. What stops the women from getting to the level of play the men do in this sport? I'm not trying to stir anything up, just looking at reality here folks, so like I said...be kind.I would really like to know a serious answer.
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This has been discussed ad nauseam before. Maybe a search of the archives would be a good idea.
NotYou said:There is one not so obvious, and greatly overlooked, difference between the male body and the female body that will make it more difficult for a woman in many sports. This has nothing to do with any reproductive parts either. Let's see if anyone knows what it is.......
Height is an advantage.
jason said:
Imagine how good Willie Mosconi, Nick Varner or Efren Reyes would have been if they were as tall as, say, Kelly Fisher.
jason said:
Tell that to Pagulayan or Souquet
NotYou said:There is one not so obvious, and greatly overlooked, difference between the male body and the female body that will make it more difficult for a woman in many sports. This has nothing to do with any reproductive parts either. Let's see if anyone knows what it is.......
Umm, the bible says they have an extra rib...lol.
NotYou said:There is one not so obvious, and greatly overlooked, difference between the male body and the female body that will make it more difficult for a woman in many sports. This has nothing to do with any reproductive parts either. Let's see if anyone knows what it is.......
I've listed every physical difference that could be discussed as it pertains to sports in the million posts of the past.. Personally, I think the two major ones as it pertains to pool aside from breasts are the difference in:
Upper body strength ratio
Typical center of gravity
Fred
Cornerman said:
Men may have greater upper body strength ratio, however, there were a lot of men at the North American IPT who could only break-and-run 5% of the time, which is on a par with what most of the woman did.
PoolSharkAllen said:
Key terms are "average man" vs. "average woman." There are enough other parameters to look at that the affect the averages. A look at the averages can help to look at the best of each.
And, upper body strength ratio affects a whole lot of shots that wouldn't necessarily have anything to with a break and run statistic. In fact, when talking about upper body strength ratio, I'd just as soon talk about any other game that the power break isn't a factor.
Fred
No, no, no, no. A man's arms are built differently than a woman's. Get someone of the opposite gender near you so you can see this for yourself. Stand up with your arms relaxed at your sides. You will notice that the palms of a man's hands are faced more towards his back, usually by about 90 degrees. This angle on a man's body is more natural for a billiard stroke. Women will need to compensate for this and have to work harder to achieve a smooth stroke. There are many other sports where this comes into play but goes just as unnoticed.
Cornerman said:
What do breasts have to do with shooting pool? If the cuestick is correctly positioned under the shoulder, it falls alongside a woman's breast. If anything, a large bust would enhance a woman's alignment by providing a guide.
As for balance, the otherwise slight, though undeniably endowed, Karen Corr manages superb balance and shotmaking ability. She's about as extreme an example as you'll find, and she manages splendidly.
Gambling has an impact
Although there are many factors the appear to have an impact upon this topic. I think that the role of gambling cannot be under estimated. I had taken lessons, purchased every book and training tape on the planet and worked on various practice routines. With hard work each gave a little benefit. I had always shyed away from gambling, but decided to try it to see how I'd respond. I have never achieved greater improvement in my game than when I started to pony up $$$$. Although I make a very good living, losing $$$$ had a significant impact upon my focus and attitude toward even the smallest detail of what I was doing. Not that I could not afford the loss, but it caused a psychological shift and brought out the killer instinct. Everything that I had been casual with, became critical. I didn't necessarily like how I felt about playing, but my game did jump up a couple of large pegs. As a result I rarely play for $$$$, it wasn't as much stess release, and that's what I needed. Yet I could easily see how the guys who do make a living, or partial living by gambling on their skill at pool would be at a totally different level from those who don't or have never gambled for a livelihood. I think here again the percentages have an impact. Lot more guys playing, lot more guys playing for $$, only the best survive and move up the food chain. I'm aware that there are exceptions.
Dr. C
cuetechasaurus said:
Although there are many factors the appear to have an impact upon this topic. I think that the role of gambling cannot be under estimated. I had taken lessons, purchased every book and training tape on the planet and worked on various practice routines. With hard work each gave a little benefit. I had always shyed away from gambling, but decided to try it to see how I'd respond. I have never achieved greater improvement in my game than when I started to pony up $$$$. Although I make a very good living, losing $$$$ had a significant impact upon my focus and attitude toward even the smallest detail of what I was doing. Not that I could not afford the loss, but it caused a psychological shift and brought out the killer instinct. Everything that I had been casual with, became critical. I didn't necessarily like how I felt about playing, but my game did jump up a couple of large pegs. As a result I rarely play for $$$$, it wasn't as much stess release, and that's what I needed. Yet I could easily see how the guys who do make a living, or partial living by gambling on their skill at pool would be at a totally different level from those who don't or have never gambled for a livelihood. I think here again the percentages have an impact. Lot more guys playing, lot more guys playing for $$, only the best survive and move up the food chain. I'm aware that there are exceptions.
Dr. C
Well, I wanna know why WOMEN are better than men at sewing and cleaning???
tedkaufman said:
If one follows this "logic" then I suppose that a beer belly on a man should enhance his alignment and balance when playing pool.
