Why CTE aiming?

[GaryB]

When I first saw the Pro One video I ended up totally confused. Then I started reading all of the threads and to my surprise got even more confused, especially by the engineers and other technical people who seem to be delighted by their in depth analysis. It quickly screwed up what little game I had. So I promised myself to never read another thread about CTE and just go back to the fractional system Hal Houle showed me when he was in So. Calif and I once again began to enjoy the game. About a year later, in a moment of weakness, I read a post by Stan and watched a short video he had made. All of a sudden a few things clicked and I started experimenting with CTE. Right is left and left is right and I started trusting my visuals and lo and behold the balls are going in the pockets. When they don't I understand why. There is a long way to go and I look forward to the next video. Hopefully there will be another Glossary as I don't know about the different bridge lengths. But judging by the last week of playing I'm not positive that they are that critical. One thing I am sure of is that I will never be a techie and I will avoid at all costs those posts that seem to be posted in order to impress rather than to teach and clarify.

 

[naji]

Before one gets schooled on physics, geometry and algebra, many have an intrinsic sense of them. Many good and great players never get schooled in them for they drop out of school early i.e. Efren etc.. So, the perception and quantification of angles from the CB to OB to pocket/target; english/spin and speed cannot be verbalized to them nor can they verbalize these metrics that they perceive and execute.

I being an engineer and egocentric have been caught in the paradigm that I had a difficulty in understanding why one can’t learn how to shoot pool using them. Spatial comprehension is a given and isn’t or can’t be taught, but is necessary to shoot well.

With these skills, one can grasp aiming using CP to CP, double distance, eclipse/overlap and even GB etc.. Without these skills, one can avail themselves to CTE aiming. With the discipline of CTE aiming, one can develop what is called the visuals and attain the correct stance to execute/effect the shot with or without the offset and pivot of CTE aiming.

I am and have been a believer in CTE aiming - for it works for some, though to me, it isn’t parsimonious.

Just saying.


All aiming tool are created to try to teach someone how to aim and make a ball, but in reality it is only an estimation tool that help beginners guesstimate where about to aim. Ok we all know easy close to pocket 1/2 ball or less angles are easy straight forward with good margin of error of CP provided one have good stroke
Now take OB and CB to behind string line and shoot that same 1/2 ball angle shot shooting at bottom corner pockets , now CP margin of error diminished considerably, i do not care whose system i use finding the rough cp is no issue, but that is not enough to make the ball, especially if OB has a barley ball width pocket, no substitute for visualizing and using brain, and high degree of focus to finding that laser sharp cp, it is a skill have to be learned. It is sort like when looking at a scrambled 3d picture for a while and all of a sudden you see the image, and if your eye blinks there goes the image, pool is 100% the same.
That is why when we are fully rested we see that sharp cp, and when we are tired it takes a little longer, so a good player will keep his CB and angles within the full to 1/4 ball angle so that they do not strain the focus level and loose it when a long key shot larger than 1/2 ball hit comes up.

I hear people say pool physics is like golf, tennis, dart, archery, all these sports use direct vision aiming one degree (that is the target is in front of the tool), where as pool use 2nd degree vision, (the target is hidden from the tool and has to be imagined) kinda like shooting golf with a cue ball glued to the end of the club..


I find this article on the web, does anyone know about it??
http://www.google.com/patents?id=NO6XAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

[CJ Wiley]

very simple, very easy...'The Game taught me that'

I hear people say pool physics is like golf, tennis, dart, archery, all these sports use direct vision aiming one degree (that is the target is in front of the tool), where as pool use 2nd degree vision, (the target is hidden from the tool and has to be imagined) kinda like shooting golf with a cue ball glued to the end of the club..

The cue ball is the primary target in pool, like the golf ball and tennis ball are the primary target in those games.

I just connect the cue ball to the object ball in the same manner and use this as a reference point (starting point) to create the needed angle.

That's one of the biggest differences between the TOI Technique and conventional methods. Traditionally players will "aim" the cue ball at the object ball to make it hit the pocket. With TOI I align Center to center (or center to edge), then use the TOI to create the needed angle.

This way I can use approximately the same shot speed, and use the inside of the cue ball as my target - the more angle I need, the more inside I move my tip.

This, in effect, makes all shots very similar, so there are no "hard" shots, or "easy" shots, they are all "just" shots. very simple, very easy...'The Game taught me that' :wink:

 

[336Robin]

Aiming Description

The cue ball is the primary target in pool, like the golf ball and tennis ball are the primary target in those games.

I just connect the cue ball to the object ball in the same manner and use this as a reference point (starting point) to create the needed angle.

That's one of the biggest differences between the TOI Technique and conventional methods. Traditionally players will "aim" the cue ball at the object ball to make it hit the pocket. With TOI I align Center to center (or center to edge), then use the TOI to create the needed angle.

This way I can use approximately the same shot speed, and use the inside of the cue ball as my target - the more angle I need, the more inside I move my tip.

This, in effect, makes all shots very similar, so there are no "hard" shots, or "easy" shots, they are all "just" shots. very simple, very easy...'The Game taught me that' :wink:

CJ,
Interesting description above I understand what youre doing. I spent a little time this week on TOI and I really have to resist pounding the shots in so I can create those angles. From someone who hasnt applied a lot of TOI its fun to realize that its not so hard. The different almost unaccustomed angles acquired using TOI definitely open up possiblities in position I can certainly see that.

You description is interesting to me. It very simple. I like that. A good local player here Frank Tullos I asked him how he aimed and I got something similar and again it was a simple explanation. The point is that you know and he knows what you are doing from a reference point...the same one.

Its evidenced that people who love the game and really apply themselves to CTE can get it and then start seeing the visuals and get it even more.

I think thats great for pool and Im all for it. I am supposed to see JB maybe today and I just hope he can show me on paper so I understand this stuff without having a seizure. I would really like to understand from a professional perspective how it works but I like what I do and likely wont change.

I like my pool simple as well and the premise of creating angles with your tip is a really good thing if you have a foundation you are working from and apparently you do.

The idea that you do the same things, you learn how to create the shots based on those things has worked for a lot of good players.

I think the CTErs have won a major battle in aiming wars to the extend that its definitely recognized that the stuff works, provides the visuals to get you there and assist the method.

I read the first post in the thread and for a minute thought dumluks comments very interesting.

I only hope there is room in the game for simplification.

I find CTE right now as very complicated and sort makes my head spin trying to keep up with acronyms and 3 or 4 different lines and omg....can we just play?

On my way to Edison...

 

[stan shuffett]

Cte pro one: Different not complicated

Most players when initially exposed to CTE PRO ONE want to connect the system to their existing ways of aiming. CTE PRO ONE is different and one must let go of how they think the system should work.

CTE PRO ONE is not difficult, it's just different at first. JB has recently and strongly connected with CTE PRO ONE and commented that the system is so simple that he can 't believe he didn't "get it" before.

There are a zillion shots on a table and at the heart of REAL CTE are 2 perceptions that make every single one of the zillion shots. A simple left or right rotation to CCB connects the shooter to shot lines. It does not get any easier.

Stan Shuffett

 

[GaryB]

Stan, at 1st everything seemed confusing. But after I saw the video you posted recently dealing with the Pro One pivot and how you determined what the pivot direction was and how you moved following your eyes into the position so you had accomplished the pivot, things seemed to click. Once that happened I felt absolutely stupid for not having understood more long before this. You have your strong visuals and the very slight movement to CCB and rules that determine your pivot direction to CCB. What could simpler than that. Now it is just a matter of systematic practice to fine tune the nuances of the various shots and the strengthening of the fundamentals. I don't think about my feet after I have my visuals and move into the shot. They seem to take care of themselves.
Thanks.