Not at all. Your drawing is a breath of more-or-less logical air in this thread, even if it doesn't apply.
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Why CTE is silly
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Thats Funny!:grin:
Pat, since you had post #900, YOU WIN THE PRIZE! Now, you too can be home schooled! All you have to do is get Stans' DVD!
LOL.
And 901! I should get a home-delivery personal lesson!!
I appreciate the good humor you guys are showing after my cheeky remarks.
pj <- but it's still implausible
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I think you owe me an apology for the home-schooling comment. I can block off 1/2 of my table and shoot blind shots all day. I could make a video within a few minutes proving it. Can you do that?
Stop with the religious crap too. If there's ANY religion involved, it's that God loves me more than he loves you.... because I can make these shots at will while I'm not giving a shit about the line through the pocket, OB and GB.
So, stop with the smart comments. Even if I posted a video, you'd say that doesn't prove anything. Why wouldn't it? I haven't shot a million balls - I'm not a great player in the grand scheme of things. I'm not guessing. I'm not feeling the ball into a black chasm of blindness.
God has nothing to do with it. What DOES have something to do with it is knowledge....
So, stop with the personal smart comments.
For a change that's one video I'd like to see. Go ahead and post it.
Stop with the sensitive act.
Backpeddling already?
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Video enroute. If someone knows iMovie well, help me because I can't get my audio to work.
I made 10/15 shooting to a covered 1/2 table. There was barely enough clearance for the OB to go. Of the 5 I missed, 3 were hanging in the jaws. The last ball I shot, I made except the pocket was full. I heard a click - the 14 ball was blocking it from dropping. I tried to shoot random shots of different angles. I also did this "cold" without warming up, so my stroke was a little suspect. I'm pretty sure I could shoot a perfect score if I wanted to do this in more than 1 take. 10/15 100% blind for 1 take without seeing ANYWHERE near the pocket isn't bad. Give me 3, 4 or 5 takes and I'm gonna score REAL high.
Maybe God loves me.
Anyways, if there are any ghost-ball players, feel players, etc, who aren't afraid to post a video doing this on a 9' table with 4.5" pockets - please do. If someone beats 10/15 shooting to a blind region, I'll re-do this video (while I'm warmed up) and post a better score. I won't kill myself if I'm the only guy playing the game.
Anyways, once youtube posts it -- i'll paste the link here. You'll see my table was BARELY shy of 1/2 covered. That's only because I ran outta crap to cover the table with. For the record, I never looked at the OB once (because that doesn't provide the solution either). I stared intently at the CB to make sure I was hitting dead center. That's all that matters.
Dave
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Let me clarify--- i DID look at the OB to determine the outermost edge and proper perspective to CB center. Once I locked into the correct CB center, I forgot about the OB.
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Well done Dave!!
Good job...Dave!
Not knocking you for using CTE....but one of the biggest drawbacks to that system is the extra curricular activity involved with the set up...
I lose my straightness of stroke....I notice that you have a move at the end that would drive me nuts...(perhaps it does not bother you)
After you do you pivot and take your final stroke....at the end of your stroke the cue dives back to your left.....For you it may be happening "after" contact but it almost seems like it could cause stroke consitency problems.
It is more noticable when you get more square to the camera...(Check 3:39)
That is a hurdle in the system that I have a real problem with.....
If I were to ever use the system....I would have to do what has been termed an "air pivot"....but if that is the case....why do I need to pivot in the first place....an air pivot I guess would just identify the shot angle...or in my case the aim line I am going to set up on....If that is the case...I really don't need the system to identify the "aim line"
I will also take your word that you did not cheat by looking at where the rails (ontop of your view blocker) intersect which would give you the corner pocket.....or dare I say (ghost pocket)....:smile:
Listen, my little Hulkamaniacs... I can score better. I dogged my stroke each time I missed. I can cover more of the table. If GMT, PJ, MP and others want to post their own videos, I'll cover up 2/3 of the table and re-do the video... I'll prob score better yet. Like I said, it doesn't matter. I dogged my stroke each time I missed - not because I guessed wrong.
This would be fun to do in public so everyone knows there's no bs. I'd like to race GMT, PJ, MP, and Dr. D (and everyone else who thinks CTE is BS) a race to 100 balls while shooting to a blind half or 2/3 of the table.
Personally, I think I can't lose even. However, I might be able to win while spotting them 20 balls (shooting in a "PIG" format).
This would be fun to do in public so everyone knows there's no bs. I'd like to race GMT, PJ, MP, and Dr. D (and everyone else who thinks CTE is BS) a race to 100 balls while shooting to a blind half or 2/3 of the table.
Personally, I think I can't lose even. However, I might be able to win while spotting them 20 balls (shooting in a "PIG" format).
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Even if you can see the intersect, it's certainly a bad reference. I KNOW I stroked crooked. Has nothing to do with the system. As I mentioned, I did this cold with no warm up. I'm not happy with the way I stroked at all. Please don't confuse that with the system.
By the way, you bring up a good point. The extra movement is me rocking back and forth to be EXACT with my eye placement. It's TOTALLY goofy; however, it's required when shooting blind. If you watch me play normally, I don't do that. However, if you're shooting into a blind spot -- you HAVE to in order to be perfect with your eyes.
Good point.
If you review the colin shot making test I posted forever ago, I swayed back and forth with that as well. Like I said, it's not my usual way - but wow it's effective.
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Not trying to knock anything....just playing devels advocate for a minute...I am not really against the system (I use 3-line)....I have problems with the mechanics of the system.
I think you need to add a (raised) blinder that takes away the "bad reference" of the rails intersecting....otherwise it will be considered a Penn & Teller trick.....:wink:
IMO it DOES have something to do with the system.....the proponents of the system have you "pivot" your cue out of "natural" alignment right before you shoot.....your body is going to want to make that cue go back into its "natural" alingment....thus your cue dives to the left....I used the 3:39 example because it was well into the potting of balls and it had a good view....In that particular stroke it looked like you "fought" the cue wanting to dive to your left....it acutally looks like it starts to dive left...you correct it back straight (on the aim line) and then it still took a dive to your left again at the end.
I think a must for the way your pivot your cue...(becuase it does look like a pretty big pivot on film)...is by doing a "hip pivot" so that the cue and stroke arm stay in the same relative "natural" stroking position....Easier said than done....IMO
I am sure it can be done....I am just not sure that I can do it.....consistently...:smile:
Edit: Weather you know it or not...you make a valid comment for I'm guessing somewhere in the 90+% mark of why people miss....It is not aim....it is mechanics....(for all systems)
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I don't mind being put under a microscope. I'll do one better:
If the detractors want to meet in person (not pro tour players, but the usual suspects in this thread), we'll repeat this test with some assistants who can put a blinder up between the CB and the OB and we can not only shoot at a blind pocket --- but a blind OB as well. Maybe give a 3 second time limit before the blinder goes up and then all you see is whitey and see NOTHING else.
Let's record the delta between my score and their score. That's scientific.
I am speechless...nice demo flick...clean it up and sell it.:smile:
That video is not sellable. If you wanna buy a video, get Stan's. That's all I did... the technique he describes.
It is a nice gaff thing to do...but it honestly seems like a wast of time..
I understand what your saying in theroy (or reality) is that once you have the your center to edge (and maybe the parallell shift) you really don't need the OB any more since you have an aim track line to set the cue on.
But that was a question I broght up in the past (in another thread)....based on the system....once you have your shift and parallell shift........why (if using CTE) would you ever need to look back up at the OB since the final alignment step of the system says "pivot to center CB"
IF when playing pool...I only had 3 seconds to "view" the shot and then only allowed to view of the CB ....I would probably start using CTE......Shortly after I would quit since it would be alot like playing night golf..:wink:
Not sure what you mean - def not a gaff. Try shooting at a blind pocket one time. You prob don't know how tough it is until you try. What this little practice game displays is, "Can you make a ball with no aiming adjustment based on your alignment alone." Do you have to look at the OB in general while playing pool? Of course you do. Whenever you need to spin, position, etc,.. you need information from the OB.
If someone is a pure ghost ball player, I'm not sure it's physically possible to score well (esp if the ob is blocked in seconds where no minute adjustments can be made once you're set). Maybe I'm wrong. GB requires three points on a line: pocket, OB, center GB. If you're missing the pocket information and have limited time to get OB information -- I don't think it can be done, frankly.
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