Why CTE is silly

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Patrick Johnson said:
The record says otherwise:

You suggested it; you designed it; it didn't "test" anything.

You'll never shoot a test I suggest. If I'm wrong about that, let me know and I'll suggest one.

pj <- holding my breath
chgo
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My point was you wanted to see it - so it was "valid."

I'd HAPPILY do your test--- as long as you participate. I mean, shucks, I'm LETTING you invent the test. I'm at a huge disadvantage.

PLEASE explain, in GREAT detail how your test can be better than shooting at a blind OB/Pocket. Educate me. I'm home-schooled, as you say. How can you do a more definitive test than that?

Dave
 
Patrick Johnson said:
You mean as long as I was defending the fact that it seems to work. But now that we're back to stuff you don't understand, like how it works, you don't like me anymore. I'll just have to learn to live with that.

pj
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You've never defended the FACT that it works. I do know how it works, I spent 2 days with Stan, and 2 nights getting torched by Landon. Never actually said I didn't like you, and you can live anyway you want.
P.S. post up your test, would like to see just what it will take for you to say "SORRY BUT I'VE BEEN WRONG FOR A VERY LONG TIME".
 
SpiderWebComm said:
...you wanted to see it - so it was "valid."
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LOL.

I'd HAPPILY do your test--- as long as you participate.
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Tapdancing.

PLEASE explain, in GREAT detail how your test can be better than shooting at a blind OB/Pocket. Educate me. I'm home-schooled, as you say. How can you do a more definitive test than that?
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1. Set up the CB and OB as I showed in my Wei diagram.

2. Mark the left and right borders of a "thick cut" area as I showed (has to be wide enough to cover at least 1/3 of the total area for all CTE shots).

3. Hang a curtain over the table at the side pockets to hide the other end.

4. Have an assistant place a target (something a few inches tall and 1/2 inch wide, like a magic marker) randomly within the area at the far end. [Since you can hit it with either edge of the CB, this simulates a 5-inch pocket.]

5. Shoot.

6. Have the assistant change the position of the target within the area and shoot again. Repeat many times.

Of course, I don't expect you to actually do this, because this is a real test designed to show something other than you showing off.

And before you start with the "you first" challenges: I concede upfront that I wouldn't be able to hit half these targets, and those would be by random luck. Let's see you do better.

pj
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Patrick Johnson said:
LOL.


Tapdancing.


1. Set up the CB and OB as I showed in my Wei diagram.

2. Mark the left and right borders of a "thick cut" area as I showed (has to be wide enough to cover at least 1/3 of the total area for all CTE shots).

3. Hang a curtain over the table at the side pockets to hide the other end.

4. Have an assistant place a target (something a few inches tall and 1/2 inch wide, like a magic marker) randomly within the area at the far end. [Since you can hit it with either edge of the CB, this simulates a 5-inch pocket.]

5. Shoot.

6. Have the assistant change the position of the target within the area and shoot again. Repeat many times.

Of course, I don't expect you to actually do this, because this is a real test designed to show something other than you showing off.

And before you start with the "you first" challenges: I concede upfront that I wouldn't be able to hit half these targets, and those would be by random luck. Let's see you do better.

pj
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Well Pat, you have just proven one thing to me. With all that has been posted on CTE over the years, you, like GTM, are so hung up on the math that you have NO CLUE about how to use CTE. Yet, you insist that it can't work on it's own. Amazing, just amazing! :bash::smash::banghead::slap::slap:
 
Neil said:
Well Pat, you have just proven one thing to me. With all that has been posted on CTE over the years, you, like GTM, are so hung up on the math that you have NO CLUE about how to use CTE. Yet, you insist that it can't work on it's own. Amazing, just amazing! :bash::smash::banghead::slap::slap:
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It is amazing Neil. After all this time he doesn't know what CTE is.
 
As you can see in this picture you can still see where the pocket is!!!
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This is closer to what I had in mind, but I can still reference the table without actually seeing the pocket, because I can see the rails and other pockets, plus I know my table...
And Neil I am not the best in my pool hall!!! wish I were...:smile: That would be Jason Klatt..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APzy81RzuwU
 
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pool101 said:
As you can see in this picture you can still see where the pocket is!!!
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This is closer to what I had in mind, but I can still reference the table without actually seeing the pocket, because I can see the rails and other pockets, plus I know my table...
And Neil I am not the best in my pool hall!!! wish I were...:smile: That would be Jason Klatt..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APzy81RzuwU
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Spidey will have to verify this, but if you look at how he has the table covered, I doubt that he can see the pocket from the other side of the table.

Ask Jason if he has been to see Stan. If not, set this up for him, and let him try it. If he has seen Stan, I rest my case.

But, since you seem to think that it is a sham because he MIGHT be able to reference the pocket, go ahead and try it yourself.
 
pool101 said:
As you can see in this picture you can still see where the pocket is!!!
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This is closer to what I had in mind, but I can still reference the table without actually seeing the pocket, because I can see the rails and other pockets, plus I know my table...
And Neil I am not the best in my pool hall!!! wish I were...:smile: That would be Jason Klatt..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APzy81RzuwU
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pool101:

I submitted a comment on that video. The screen setup on your table is entirely transparent/translucent, with a single 8x11 sheet of paper taped on it. The sheet of paper is the only opaque item, and because you're placing the object ball directly in front of it, in-line with the pocket, that sheet of paper serves as a "pocket marker/locator." All you have to do is make sure you're cutting the object ball such that it passes through the middle of that sheet of paper, and as your video comments state, a good percentage of the time, you're pocketing the ball.

IMHO, a better test would to opaque the ENTIRE screen setup over your table. I know it'll take probably a quarter ream of paper and lots of scotch tape, but I think it'd be a truer "blind" test.

BTW, I have no dog in this race. Like I stated in previous posts in this (and other) CTE threads, I know CTE "works," if not for the reasons that CTE supporters think. And as I said before, if it works for you -- great -- it's the tool you need to use, because that's the name of the game -- pocket those balls. (Obviously that's a gross over-simplification, because we all know there are other aspects, like the need to get position, pattern play, etc.)

-Sean
 
I did post the video.

I dont know if Jason has or has not been to see Stan, and I am not saying it does not work. I am just saying it is not the only way to aim.

Neil said:
Spidey will have to verify this, but if you look at how he has the table covered, I doubt that he can see the pocket from the other side of the table.

Ask Jason if he has been to see Stan. If not, set this up for him, and let him try it. If he has seen Stan, I rest my case.

But, since you seem to think that it is a sham because he MIGHT be able to reference the pocket, go ahead and try it yourself.
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I never said I thought it was a sham... I said I have a friend who has seen Stan, is learning it and improving...I just cannot accept that there are 3 aiming point for any shot on the table... I am looking forward to the DVD.. and I hope I learn something from it.. I have learned something from every DVD I have seen.
 
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pool101 said:
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How is this translucent?
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It's not, you are correct. The reflections off the foil in the video were deceiving; it made it look like see-through screen mesh.

I just responded to your reply comment in the video. That cutout for the rearview mirror (and the piece of paper subsequently placed over it) still serves as a pocket marker/locator for you. It doesn't matter that you're moving the cue ball around; the object ball is still placed immediately in front of it in your video, and all you have to concentrate on is cutting the object ball such that it passes through the middle of the paper.

Try turning that windshield screen upside down so the rearview mirror cutout is on top. You'll have to lift it up slightly so the object ball just barely passes underneath, but not so much that if you "chin the stick" that you'll see the pocket or back rail from underneath the screen.

Try it.

-Sean
 
pool101 said:
I never said I thought it was a sham... I said I have a friend who has seen Stan, is learning it and improving...

I just cannot accept that there are 3 aiming point for anny shot on the table...

I am looking forward to the DVD.. and I hope I learn something from it.. I have learned something from every DVD I have seen.
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Actually there are only two not three.......SPF=randyg
 
pool101 said:
As you can see in this picture you can still see where the pocket is!!!
View attachment 158321

This is closer to what I had in mind, but I can still reference the table without actually seeing the pocket, because I can see the rails and other pockets, plus I know my table...
And Neil I am not the best in my pool hall!!! wish I were...:smile: That would be Jason Klatt..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APzy81RzuwU
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You can't see where the pocket is from the opposite side of the table. You happen to see where the pockets are because of the angle of the camera. I do, however, congratulate you in posting a video. Good shooting. At least you're not afraid to put yourself out there like some other people. Good job!
 
pool101 said:
I never said I thought it was a sham... I said I have a friend who has seen Stan, is learning it and improving...I just cannot accept that there are 3 aiming point for any shot on the table... I am looking forward to the DVD.. and I hope I learn something from it.. I have learned something from every DVD I have seen.
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There are three alignments. Actual aim points (hits on the OB) are prob infinite.
 
Thanks Dave, I just meant you had the end of the paper at the end of the table and that serves as a reference point not that you need the pocket to make it work just a good reference point to start from.
I must say I was pretty nervous as to how it would turn out.
I am not trying to say you are wrong, If it works for you it will work for others and that is great. I hope it will work for me and I am willing to try it, but I am afraid I may not get it!!! So far it gives me a headache.. and I wonder why I cannot see what is so obvious to others... But such is life.
Years ago no one could see what Hal was claiming and now... lots of people see it....and more when the DVD comes out I'm sure.
Mark
 
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