*Why* did you buy an LD shaft?

It lessens having to master cue deflection one of the hardest parts of your technique...i dont own one but if I was just starting I would buy one


Very good post.If I had played 1 more year with the Meucci I would have given up on LD.

btw I have a good friend who has a very high gear but is stuck in the back-and-forth-hell of LD vs solid maple.I don't try to tell him one or the other is better anymore,I just shake my head every 6 months or so when he sabotages his game by switching again.
 
Black Dot "bullseye"

1st time I ever tried a shaft which claimed Ld, was the meucci black dot, sampled it @ a tournament, then ordered one the next day..

Ive never looked back, I moved on to much better playing LD shafts since, and it led me to create my own,, which is imo ,and many others ,1 of the best shafts..

And thats a plug ,I have zer0 shame in stating..... :wink:
 
first playing cue i bought was a joss and later on my mentor, who played with a predator, convinced my to get a 314 shaft. played with it for years and several ld shafts later, it's way too late to change back. i would suggest sticking with what youre used too though. an ld shaft isnt going to help you aim unless youre used to aiming with an ld shaft...
 
314?

I needed a new shaft; my original one had all kinds of chips around the joint end. I know a local dealer and he brought out an “I-2” and I had no idea what it was or that it was an LD shaft, he said this one is $130 and this one is $75. Man was I ever accurate with the $130 one it was the I-2.

If he had told me it was an LD shaft I probably would never have even tried it as I really hated the 314 when it came out; I mean really hated it, I made the crazy and stupid assumption that all LD shafts that were or would be developed would feel exactly the same as the 314. So I bought it in a blind tryout and liked it, then bought it and then found out it was an LD shaft, funny.

I'm curious. When you tried that 314, had you been playing with a larger diameter shaft? I'm thinking maybe that's why you didn't like the 314.

In 2005, I gave in to all the hype and bought a 314 for my 1980s Huebler. The Huebler was 13 mm at the tip. The first hour I played with the 314 I was missing everything...over-spinning or under-cutting because I was allowing for deflection. I put the shaft aside for a few days and then tried it again. After half an hour, I had adjusted to the deflection and the extra juice, and began running balls. I finished that season with high average in three leagues in three different houses (7, 8 and 9-foot tables).

I can't really tell you why, but I prefer the old Pred shafts to the newer ones. I also like the Tiger shafts and the OBs. My opinion may not be of much value as I seem to adjust to varying dimensions of cues and shafts and play well with most of them (or at least did before I became senile!).

Donny L
PBIA/ACS Instructor
 
Predator an OB and a ton of other LD shafts are laminated .
Freddie Knows everthing
MMike

The post was about LD shafts not laminated shafts. If you still don't understand it, that has zero to do with me.

So, keep in the dark. But, the question wasn't about laminated shafts.

Freddie <~~~ not the only one with some LD shafts that are not laminated
 
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The post was about LD shafts not laminated shafts. If you still don't understand it, that has zero to do with me.

So, keep in the dark. But, the question wasn't about laminated shafts.

Freddie <~~~ not the only one with some LD shafts that are not laminated

We're not the brightest lot. :o
 
Sometimes I think "Laminated" and "Low Deflection" get used interchangeably. But yes, my question was just why did you buy one in the first place.

I know lots of people bought into the hype, or figured it would do wonders for their game or else none of us would know about a little company called, "Predator". Bringing up the Black Dot reminds me of the 1997 BCA Expo in Orlando, the robotic arm, and Doug all bandaged up at Rackz asking for a spot.

Good times.
 
Because I thought an LD (314) shaft was the key to going from banger to world class pro.......................I was wrong, and truthfully, with the exception of the Predator Z shaft, haven't noticed much of a difference in deflection and how I need to aim, so I've grown into favoring normal shafts made of dense good quality wood. The Z shaft was sick as far as I'm concerned. I felt like I could do anything with it! Just didn't care for the diameter and feel when it struck the ball.

dave
 
LD shafts

cornerman
It is not my fault that alot of LD shafts are also laminated.
If you notice there is alot of responce from 314 owners.
Why you have singled me out is unknown.

MMike
 
my second cue came with an early pre-cat 314 shaft, and this is the cue i basically learned all i know with. i can play with meucci pre-dot and huebler shafts also but i have to rethink every shot that has side english.

so my reason is probably age. i started playing pool after the LD shafts broke through...
 
I tried one at the suggestion of my local cue maker. He watched me stroke a handful of shots then handed me a cue with an ob shaft...i was sold ever since. Although i dont use an ob..i shoot with a wd 700 mezz ld shaft..works perfectly

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I never actually bought one. I took advantage of the opportunity presented when Tate had his Tiger Pro X demo program going. I loved the way that shaft played. I couldn't stop ranting and raving about it. I think I was so enthusiastic about it, and Chris Tate is such a good guy, that he decided to gift me one of the shafts after the program was over. I was even able to send my butt down to him, and have the shaft matched at the Tiger factory free of charge. I still play that shaft, and I still love it. I've played with others since then, but nothing feels as good. I'm definitely grateful, and won't ever forget the kindness Tate exhibited towards me. It blew me away, and still does when I stop to think about it.
 
Out of curiosity? I could say now that because I teach, I want to keep abreast of modern technology, or to put it more bluntly, need to know what the fuss is about, but the truth is, I get to try so many cues, I wouldn't need to buy LD-shafts of my own. I cannot say I like them better or that they make me play better. But I will say they're more adjusted to modern equipment, i.e. balls and comparatively faster and more slippery cloth. Their primary advantage is one misses fewer "no English" shots - not necessarily center-ball, all types of shots where the intention is to hit the cue ball on a vertical axis without side spin. The reason for this is simple: it's difficult to hit perfect no English cue ball, and LD-shafts are more forgiving when it comes to minor flaws in one's stroke, or the occasional twitch due to nerves etc. Most misses are due to not hitting the cue ball where one intends (rather than, as many wrongly assume, object ball aim). Of course when one intentionally applies side spin, aim compensation for deflection is and remains a matter of knowing (subconsciously adjusting to) one's cue, regardless of how much it deflects (and don't let anyone fool you: there is no such thing as a "no-deflection" shaft or cue!). I do tell students to find a cue they like and stick with it, but also to give LD shafts a try if they haven't already - needless to say, most play with LD shafts these days anyhow.

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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„J'ai gâché vingt ans de mes plus belles années au billard. Si c'était à refaire, je recommencerais.“ – Roger Conti
 
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cornerman
It is not my fault that alot of LD shafts are also laminated.
If you notice there is alot of responce from 314 owners.
Why you have singled me out is unknown.

MMike

The question was about LD shafts. The question was not about laminated shafts. If you are deliberately or unintentionally misleading people, please let me retort with hopes that the confused get clarification if they desire. We've talked about this subject for 15 years. To throw that away would be irresponsible .

Thanks,

Freddie <~~~ thought the question was straightforward
 
I dont care for laminated shafts.
I said the same thing you guys say when i played a laminated shaft .
I was always frustrated because I had to really keep my tip shaped perfect
once i swithed back to a solid shaft I only get the tip shaper out once every month not ever day
MMike

To add to what Cornerman wrote, your post really was hard to understand. What does shaping your tip have to do with this thread? Why would one shaft require more tip shaping than another, and what does that have to do with this thread? What does laminated shafts have to do with this thread (many LD shafts are not laminated, the laminations by themselves are common knowledge to have no affect on squirt)
 
shaft thread

hello iusedtoberich

There was replies left with other members talking about 314 shafts.
Seems its ok for (them) to talk about laminated LD shafts but not me.

The truth is I didnt know your thread was NON laminated LD shafts.

And the guys that that talked about the 314 didnt either.

The part that pushes my bottons isnt you or cornerman.
its the fact that a( few) companies glue there shafts for one reason.
No warpage they dont( care) how the cue shoots as long as they dont have to warranty it and they make money
So they bore the end of the shaft fill the void with foam so it doesnt make a hollow sound slap LD on it .
And sale it to some person new to pool or doesnt know any better.

Then the buyer tries 10 different tips and all kinds of things to get some kind of CB ball control.

I know there are some good LD shafts on the market.
But there are some crappie ones too.

Some of the woods I have seen used in shafts is low grade $hit that should be thrown in the fire place .

I can only say that I got burned on a couple of cues.
and my temper got the best of me because of it.
If you or cornerman want to hold this against me go ahead. But I didnt do this to create any problem with either one of you guys.......................................................................

I dont want hard feelings with either of you guys but if there is then
say so . have more respect for honesty.
Look I love pool .
beer is on me right or wrong I will buy the beer just to give us a chance, there is plenty of time to dislike me after we have a beer and do battle on the table.

Last
I am Dyslexic no formal education ..... I fight to write each and every word . And I am sorry that you couldnt understand what I wrote.
It is a struggle that I dont wish upon anyone. And I will try to improve.

MMike
 
I bought one because I wanted to try it for myself. I got an OB1 for my Schon and loved the way it played and used it for a few years. Did it help my game? Probably. I was at a point where I was just getting back into playing after a few (10) year break. I think the shaft gave me a mental confidence in being able to use english on shots.
When I got my next Schon, it came with the IV ferrule and I wanted to try out the new ferrule to see if I liked the difference. I still carry the OB1 as a spare shaft, but it doesn't get used anymore. I've toyed with the idea of using it again, but I have gotten used to the IV and am nervous that the change back to the OB1 may be detrimental.
 
hello iusedtoberich

There was replies left with other members talking about 314 shafts.
Seems its ok for (them) to talk about laminated LD shafts but not me.

The truth is I didnt know your thread was NON laminated LD shafts.

And the guys that that talked about the 314 didnt either.

The part that pushes my bottons isnt you or cornerman.
its the fact that a( few) companies glue there shafts for one reason.
No warpage they dont( care) how the cue shoots as long as they dont have to warranty it and they make money
So they bore the end of the shaft fill the void with foam so it doesnt make a hollow sound slap LD on it .
And sale it to some person new to pool or doesnt know any better.

Then the buyer tries 10 different tips and all kinds of things to get some kind of CB ball control.

I know there are some good LD shafts on the market.
But there are some crappie ones too.

Some of the woods I have seen used in shafts is low grade $hit that should be thrown in the fire place .

I can only say that I got burned on a couple of cues.
and my temper got the best of me because of it.
If you or cornerman want to hold this against me go ahead. But I didnt do this to create any problem with either one of you guys.......................................................................

I dont want hard feelings with either of you guys but if there is then
say so . have more respect for honesty.
Look I love pool .
beer is on me right or wrong I will buy the beer just to give us a chance, there is plenty of time to dislike me after we have a beer and do battle on the table.

Last
I am Dyslexic no formal education ..... I fight to write each and every word . And I am sorry that you couldnt understand what I wrote.
It is a struggle that I dont wish upon anyone. And I will try to improve.

MMike

No offense meant, I should have worded my response better. I think I understand what you are saying now. If I may paraphrase you:

Some laminated shafts can be made with very low quality wood and/or design. When a player gets one of these shafts, they have to try many different tips and spend lots of time and money to get a good hitting cue that also spins the cue ball well.

Is that an accurate summary?
 
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