Why Do Non-Users Care?

[lfigueroa]

I was first in your presence in the late nineties at a US OPEN ONE POCKET event in Kalamazoo.
I learned very quickly that you are a first order *****. Your cue was laying on a table and you had a little fit because some fellow wanted to pick it up. I thought, "What a fricken *****.
A couple of days later at the gift area I found myself standing right next to you. I commented to you in a very friendly manner about an item that we each were looking at. You did not respond or make eye contact or squat. I thought, "This guy is a real areal ***** no doubt about it.
Now you are a ***** and an internet bully. Here is something else that you should not ever doubt. LIFE WILL TAKE OF YOU!

Stan Shuffett

Thank you for the kind thoughts.

But you must be thinking about someone else because:

A. I never leave my cue laying on a table at a tournament unless I am in the process of racking, and

B. The only items to look at at Kalamazoo were Hereck cues and some t-shirts and other than a conversation with Joel, I didnt spend much time looking at stuff, and

C. Anyone who has met me in person knows I'm a pretty easy going, cordial kind of guy, even to those I've had serious beefs with.

So, happy trails to you, until we meet again

Lou Figueroa

 

[stan shuffett]

Thank you for the kind thoughts.

But you must be thinking about someone else because:

A. I never leave my cue laying on a table unless I am in the process of racking, and

B. The only items to look at at Kalamazoo were Hereck cues and some t-shirts and other than a conversation with Joel, I didnt spend much time looking at stuff, and

C. Anyone who has met me in person knows I'm a pretty easy going, cordial kind of guy, even to those I've had serious beefs with.

So, happy trails to you, until we meet again

Lou Figueroa

You were leaning on one table with your cue directly in front of you on another table. There was a group of 8 or 10 sort of closed in and chatting. And that is when someone went for your cue. You shut him down real fast.
In the gift area you handled a pool towel that had the year and event logo on it. I shared with you that I was going to get a towel and frame it with a picture from the event. A college group of 2:3 was there doing a study with pool players and dominant eye alignment.

Stan Shuffett

 

[lfigueroa]

You were leaning on one table with your cue directly in front of you on another table. There was a group of 8 or 10 sort of closed in and chatting. And that is when someone went for your cue. You shut him down real fast.
In the gift area you handled a pool towel that had the year and event logo on it. I shared with you that I was going to get a towel and frame it with a picture from the event. A college group of 2:3 was there doing a study with pool players and dominant eye alignment.

Stan Shuffett

lol, I know what you are talking about now and you are very wrong in your interpretation of what happened.

In fact, it was a funny incident I've written about before. Yes, it was at The Billiard Playground, the US 1Pocket Open (late 90's?), and Ed, the tournament director, was holding the player's meeting. We got to the point when someone inevitably asks about "push shots" and Ed wanted to demonstrate how they'd be called, saw me standing there with my cue -- an eight-point Gina, ivory inlayed, leather wrapped monster -- and reached for my cue to demonstrate a push shot. And I didn't move a muscle. I just shook my head "no." And all the players broke out laughing. And they "got it." You... apparently not so much.

And I would have zero interest in a pool towel. Perhaps, if I was looking, I just thought your taste in art (framing it?! really?!) was somewhat dubious.

Nice try though

Lou Figueroa

 

[evis]

Really... Your only play was to make fun of this…Pretty classy Lou.

h, OK.

There was phone call to Donald Hoffman, presumably the guy who wrote the article in "The Atlantic" entitled, "The Case Against Reality." Perfect, lol. And then he passed the buck to the lads at Vanderbilt. Got it. Thanks for the chuckle.

Lou Figueroa
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[BeiberLvr]

First off, anyone here who has followed the CTE discussion -- for 20 minutes or 20 years -- would be interested in hearing what happened when Stan submitted "his work," which he is always referring to here, to academic review. I'm guessing at this point, given his silence, that the response he got was underwhelming. Shoot, it'd even be interesting to hear what the local community college or tech school had to say.

As to the other, I promise to let you know if I ever have even the tiniest, teeniest interest in your definition of anything.

Lou Figueroa
I would not
hold my breath

You got your answer.

So why do you still care?

 

[justadub]

Hey Lou.....

JB, PJ, SpiderDave and I believe Cookie are mixing it up in a Dr. Dave thread on Facebook. You and Neil are the only regular combatants missing

C'mon, you know you dont wanna be left out :grin:

 

[lfigueroa]

Really... Your only play was to make fun of this…Pretty classy Lou.

h, OK.

There was phone call to Donald Hoffman, presumably the guy who wrote the article in "The Atlantic" entitled, "The Case Against Reality." Perfect, lol. And then he passed the buck to the lads at Vanderbilt. Got it. Thanks for the chuckle.

Lou Figueroa
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How "Glee."

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

You got your answer.

So why do you still care?

It was not much of an answer -- there was a phone call and a hand off. We had a name for these kinds of phone calls back at the Pentagon that I cannot share in polite company

Now Stan and I are engaging in fond remenises. Why do you care?

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

Hey Lou.....

JB, PJ, SpiderDave and I believe Cookie are mixing it up in a Dr. Dave thread on Facebook. You and Neil are the only regular combatants missing

C'mon, you know you dont wanna be left out :grin:

dub, I do not FB.

Lou Figueroa

 

[BeiberLvr]

It was not much of an answer -- there was a phone call and a hand off. We had a name for these kinds of phone calls back at the Pentagon that I cannot share in polite company

Now Stan and I are engaging in fond remenises. Why do you care?

Lou Figueroa

Do you member?

 

[lfigueroa]

Do you member?

Do I "member"?

Bieber, I am about to whack you into the ether. You had a nice run though.

Lou Figueroa

 

[BeiberLvr]

Do I "member"?

Bieber, I am about to whack you into the ether. You had a nice run though.

Lou Figueroa

Sorry, I forgot your age for a moment. I suspect you aren't up with the pop culture reference.

Dont' worry Louis, it wasn't an insult :wink:

 

[lfigueroa]

Sorry, I forgot your age for a moment. I suspect you aren't up with the pop culture reference.

Dont' worry Louis, it wasn't an insult :wink:

It's not age nor a question of being current with what I presume is a SP reference. I just think SP is dumb and don't want to waste my time with that level of maturity.

Lou Figueroa
loved Book of Mormon

 

[Neil]

Hey Lou.....

JB, PJ, SpiderDave and I believe Cookie are mixing it up in a Dr. Dave thread on Facebook. You and Neil are the only regular combatants missing

C'mon, you know you dont wanna be left out :grin:

No thanks. Talking to those two about CTE is like talking to a liberal about Trump. They have their minds made up, and no amount of evidence will matter to them. They won't even look at the evidence.

Apparently you didn't see PJ's posts about Trump.

 

[BeiberLvr]

It's not age nor a question of being current with what I presume is a SP reference. I just think SP is dumb and don't want to waste my time with that level of maturity.

Lou Figueroa
loved Book of Mormon

You once accused me of not having a sense of humor.

I suppose I could do the same, but instead I'll do what all the non-users should do in regards to CTE.

Let it go.

 

[justadub]

No thanks. Talking to those two about CTE is like talking to a liberal about Trump. They have their minds made up, and no amount of evidence will matter to them. They won't even look at the evidence.

Apparently you didn't see PJ's posts about Trump.

I haven't been following PJ. Just saw him pop up in that thread, which is when it struck me that the only thing missing was you and Lou

I'll probly go back and see what else they've been up to since I last looked, I'm sure Dr. D is cringing

 

[lfigueroa]

I haven't been following PJ. Just saw him pop up in that thread, which is when it struck me that the only thing missing was you and Lou

I'll probly go back and see what else they've been up to since I last looked, I'm sure Dr. D is cringing

Can you give us the Reader's Digest version? Just a quick recap?

Lou Figueroa

 

[jasonlaus]

I know some things that work for me. I play different for slow, medium and hard.

Maybe, because I know that different speeds have different contact points.....

I don't use contact points or ghost balls. But if someone plays using (imagine) contact points, he should know that. Contact point goes with speed of the stroke.

So, it is not just the contact point of the shot. It's the contact point combined with the speed of your stroke.

Thats funny cause I use contact point and it NEVER changes EVER!!! No matter how hard or soft or medium I hit the ball.
I'm talking all pockets too, large or small - 10' table with 4 1/8 to 4 1/4 pockets - IT NEVER CHANGES
Jason

How do people come up with this crap?

 

[jasonlaus]

First of all, I don't doubt that Stan sells material to squeak out a profit. He's put a lot of time and effort in, and I see nothing wrong with trying to be compensated.

As far as snake oil goes, you may want to brush up on your definition...




Product: DVD with instructions on how to pocket balls more efficiently.
Method: Visuals, perceptions, pivots, sweeps, etc.
Required Action: Practice the method
Result: Pocket balls more efficiently.

Now I know that not everyone will have the same end result. Whether it's the system, or lack of practice and dedication is another story. But I think enough people do get the result they are after to make calling the system snake oil unfair and untrue.

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Jason

Sorry couldnt resist

 

[cookie man]

I haven't been following PJ. Just saw him pop up in that thread, which is when it struck me that the only thing missing was you and Lou

I'll probly go back and see what else they've been up to since I last looked, I'm sure Dr. D is cringing

Barton just posted that PJ uses the "Faerie Fidget" method of aiming. LMAO