why do pros aim so low on the cue ball at cue ball address???

I'm not saying it's good or bad, but if you made a habit of touching the tip to the cloth you would be certain you had the tip to CB distance the same and also that you didn't accidentally foul by touching the CB with the tip.

Maybe it was started in high pressure situations after an accidental CB touch or something.
 
a reply said its to stabilize the cue ball. I'm feeling like that's it for me. on my stop shots now, I'm using a very low tip position on the cue ball, very very low, and it Does seem to settle the cue ball down. getting a great stop shot now. working well for me

Stop shots with hitting low all depend on the distance to the cueball and speed of the hit. Slow speed hit low is a stop shot, if the ball is not very close, a harder hit with same hit position is a draw shot, again, based on the distance to the cueball.

I figured out a way to explain it to people I am teaching where I explain the action of the cueball as being a combination of tip position and force of the hit, and that you can substitute one or the other in many situations. For example, if a stop shot at X distance needs the cueball to be travelling at Y speed, Y would equal S + T where S is speed of the hit and T is tip position. You can make Y equal the needed number by adding or subtracting from S and T as you get a feel for the shot and how the hit is more natural for you. A drag-draw shot is a good example of this. Many beginners tend to follow in the cueball after a hit near the pocket, because they hit it too soft and the cueball rolls into the pocket with follow, this helps them visualize the effect of friction and a natural rolling cueball.

Hit higher but harder, or lower and softer, the final cueball reaction is the same off the object ball. My natural stroke has a bit of a pop to it, so I use tip position to vary the cueball speed at the object ball instead of hitting softer.
 
I have noticed that most pros will start their shot process with the cue tip very very low on the cue ball. almost Hitting the felt. are they doing this to find center cue ball, or are they starting out that low and moving up a tip or so at cue delivery????

See the "Why do some players address the CB much lower than they intend to hit?" section here:

 
There was a time when information was very hard to come by. You didn't lightly give away what you knew.
Hu
I always took the opposite point of view, and never hesitated to show the ‘fish’ anything they asked, thinking, the better they got, the more confidence (and money) they would gain by beating the smaller fish, and eventually be convinced they were finally good enough to beat me, thus bringing me more serious action (and money) in the end.
 
I always took the opposite point of view, and never hesitated to show the ‘fish’ anything they asked, thinking, the better they got, the more confidence (and money) they would gain by beating the smaller fish, and eventually be convinced they were finally good enough to beat me, thus bringing me more serious action (and money) in the end.


I went and got a driver's license the day I turned fifteen. That night I spent six or eight hours on pool tables. Age to drink beer or enter an establishment selling beer or liquor was eighteen, to buy hard liquor you had to be twenty-one. All rules I ignored. I was still in high school, I was working forty hours a week, I was playing pool for long hours every day. Burning the candle at both ends and the middle too!

First starting out, I learned from the small time gamblers I played with, they had this code of secrecy. I was also designing, building, and driving stock cars. The aura of secrecy in stock car racing was hilarious! Everybody had secrets they had discovered for themselves, not realizing that dozens of other people had learned the same things. There were very few real secrets.


a local racetracktrack owner wouldnt let me do circular burnouts in the
middle of the track but if I won a big race, it's on a different level..

I was the driver but I was also the money man behind the car and the engine builder. When the big boys on Sunday thought it was cute to blow up an engine that had just won a big race I did the opposite. Racing spark plugs tend to foul as I am sure you know so I would come out of the pits and come up through the gears making the engine howl. Drive hard and push every limit I could find. Then if I took the checkered flag I ran a nice polite thirty mile an hour or so victory lap with the flag and put my car gently on the trailer. A friend had the most thoroughly destroyed engine I ever saw. Snapped a custom crank several places. Blew the bottom out of a road racing style oil pan, the block was shattered several places, Carillo rods destroyed, roller cam, chunks of metal came up through the new intake manifold and destroyed a brand new racing carburetor. Roller rockers, push rods, I suppose I had seen rail jobs blow an engine this thoroughly at the drag strip but I had never seen a stock car engine grenade that completely!

Lost where somebody jokingly said something along the lines of what would Hu do. Generally I would get to the most critical shot of a game, gonna put enough spin on the cue ball to sit there and spin until the cloth caught fire when it stopped! I would load my wrist so I could flick it right to left just as the cue tip contacted the cue ball. One time in dozens this seemed to really work! I don't know who taught me that silliness but fifty years later if I am stretching and wrap my hand around the very end of the cue and the rubber bumper I will still snap my wrist sometimes. I prove just how persistent a bad habit can be! If I notice my hand wrapping around the bumper I will carefully move it a few inches ahead before shooting. If I don't notice what comes next is usually the mother of all miscues!

I am sure that this one bad habit alone has cost me thousands in the decades I have played pool. I don't do it for three months, even six months or a year. Finally put that bad habit to bed, or so I thought. A critical shot, I want the cue ball to do a high speed hootchie-coo and thread a needle at the end. I get down, a couple of nice gentle practice strokes, then my hand slides back after I address the cue ball a final time. The little finger is wrapped around the bumper or even curled behind it. I slam the cue forward with a vicious twist! I have never torn a half a yard rip in the cloth doing this but I don't know why not. It is embarrassing to have to retrieve the cue ball from on top of a light, especially when the light isn't even over the table I am playing on! "Leave me alone. I am going drink a beer or three or four."

Hu


Hu
 
sometimes I can "duck and hide" by hitting low and maybe Applying a little spin, trying to make the QB jump a little to the left or right in order to hook the opponent. More often than not I will fail miserably and someone will say what were you even trying to do ?
It's fun to try and maybe with more practice I can get it under control. Playing carom billiards and things like that more may help. In snooker making such a shot can be a game changer. it may not even be of much concern where the object ball is going, if I can get the cueball to stick to a nearby color, that alone can often be a feat. The opponent can end up very well hooked that way.


funny the thing with the little finger over the end of the queue was mentioned. I got advised not to do that. I think I picked up some bad habits playing on out little 7 foot with half a 3/4 cue due to space issues so I'm trying to be conscious about not doing that. he said my stroke was ok but my little finger on the end was messing me up. It was a problem i was creating for myself right at the end of my stroke, Sometimes better players just notice these things I do wrong, and it's cool when It is pointed out. I wasn't conscious of it at all.


I think doing good stop or draw shots at lower speeds is something I should practice. some of the things are easy to watch people do and harder to explain. of course during a draw or stop shot the cloth is trying to turn the CB in the direction of travel so a longer shot requires more spin as it will loose some of it's reverse speed or turn with the direction of travel on increased distance. If the ball is screaming across the table then there isnt; the same chance for the CB to change its speed relative to the cloth. we are playing with a bunch of variables at once. stroke , stroke speed, contact point, follow through etc.. Its so overwhelming to think about it becomes just second nature I guess and we can adjust things without even fully understanding them.

I made a long shot and followed it in perfectly behind, which earned me a fault but another said it actually proved my stroke was dead straight and I should practice by intentionally doing that during practice time.

I find it hard to practice, I get bored quickly an don't feel challenged, but sometimes when its just my lady and I paying we take time to not really care who wins and allow each other instead to just try some experiments, like taking more carom shots when we see the opportunity. Maybe I need to take up some solitary games so I can feel challenged to run so many balls or similar and try to break my own records. I could try repeating some shots that are ones I often miss, sometimes repeating the same shot can help as I can see an improvement after repetition whereas in real play the second chance is gone after each shot.

I like antiques and I have noticed that if I hand one to some , like just doing show and tell, they will handle it quite roughly while others will handle the object like a newborn baby. My theory is that if I carefully hand an antique , like a violin or something to someone and just take note how they set it down it will reveal which type of person they are in an instant.

I think some is just human nature, some are very careful and others are more rough with physical objects. I dont know which is best in the game, probably either can be great players. I think maybe I'm more sensitive to causing damage to objects by nature and some don't even think about it so much..
I think how one approaches other items translates to the game, some may shift their car very smoothly making sure the revs are just right while others will bang the shifter into gear. It translates into smooth driving. I would think a pro driver would be extra sensitive to such.. I bet some are rougher than others just taking out the garbage cans.

Perhaps a more aggressive stance is of benefit in some ways. Interesting to think about. Some are intimidated by a guy running around like a madman shooting fast, sure of himself. Some approach the table more scientifically doing analysis, taking their time, approaching each shot with caution , even easy shots. Maybe some of that habit comes from gambling and sharking and such or maybe people with experience just play faster. most of the 8 and 9 ball payers seem to be a lot quicker to pull the trigger than snooker players. In bars you wont see the same kind of time taken, a more aggressive approach is common, then again the pockets in bars are usually huge. - that doesn't' really matter though, its still a fair game, just a different game.
I tend to take my time but many of the better players are also ones who take a bit more time to line up etc. It is easier to learn from and perhaps copy a slower player. some shoot standing straight up and some get their chin right on the queue, I tend to think the guy with his chin n his queue is the more careful player. I try to get down more, perhaps it is a bit of a lazy habit not to et low enough. Some say they have trouble bending that way, back troubles etc.

I've noticed that those bothered by things like the cue touching the cloth are in general the people that would put an antique down more suddenly and the ones who are bothered by it are likely to be the ones that would handle it like a baby.

I can't say which is best , I know a very aggressive player that can shoot extremely well and others who take time and are just as good, so I can't say the more gentle person has an advantage, and I don't think these are things easily changed. I think they are mainly habits that stem from childhood.
 
“Habits that stem from childhood”:
Maybe that explains the subconscious gremlin that, at the last second of my perfectly straight stroke, suddenly decides to swerve the butt of the cue sideways. Happens very rarely, but must relate to some childhood impulse to correct aiming error (go figure). It never works, but reason doesn’t seem to compute in the subconscious mind.
 
I think there must be a link between our subconscious mind and our muscle memory. If you are to just crumple up a sheet of paper and try to hit a wastecan some distance away, the aim in doing that is a good example.
If you practiced that a lot then youd get better at it so there is something in us that corrects our actions without much conscious thought analysis.

How that works exactly I couldn't explain.
I try to make a more conscious decision when I miss as to what went wrong, hoping to improve but I often find that after a short moment passes the experience is really just gone. I feel if I can get better at making a conscious effort to remember what I did wrong it may help me improve faster. Often I find myself trying to rewind the last few seconds and it's just gone from my conscious memory. Maybe I'm easily distracted, or something.

What surprises me is that we do improve, even without making a conscious decision to make a particular change. After doing the same thign a million times you just do get better at it, even without thinking very deeply about it.

I can change how I hold my cue slightly and make that a part of my habitual line up sequence, maybe that will help.

I saw a shot missed because another player hit his hand against the rail on the latter part of his stroke, a day later I made the exact same error and missed.. I'll try not to do that more times.. that's something one may only do so may times before they make a conscious correction. The reason it became obvious was that when my hand contacted the rail it registered in my conscious, no pain just a moment of "dont do that" went up to my brain on a conscious level. Especially since it had happened to a friend as well , that instilled the memory. The act of contact made the error become a obvious conscious error. that one is easy to correct , its simply situational awareness.

I think even as kids some are clumsy and untidy and some are tidy and careful with objects. We could become more aware when necessary but I believe a certain amount is just differences in human nature, and we are who we are.

Im careful with objects but if Im working on something I find all may tools scattered around me. I'm evidently not even thinking about putting them down. I have a great memory for where I put things but names and numbers escape me so easily. funny how we all have different traits. I see no reason for the differences.

I remember meeting a lady, she took me home and I immediately noticed that everything in her home was set at right angles or at 45 degree angles. I immediately realized I was going to be in trouble ;-)
 
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I think there must be a link between our subconscious mind and our muscle memory. If you are to just crumple up a sheet of paper and try to hit a wastecan some distance away, the aim in doing that is a good example.
If you practiced that a lot then youd get better at it so there is something in us that corrects our actions without much conscious thought analysis.

How that works exactly I couldn't explain.
I try to make a more conscious decision when I miss as to what went wrong, hoping to improve but I often find that after a short moment passes the experience is really just gone. I feel if I can get better at making a conscious effort to remember what I did wrong it may help me improve faster. Often I find myself trying to rewind the last few seconds and it's just gone from my conscious memory. Maybe I'm easily distracted, or something.

What surprises me is that we do improve, even without making a conscious decision to make a particular change. After doing the same thign a million times you just do get better at it, even without thinking very deeply about it.

I can change how I hold my cue slightly and make that a part of my habitual line up sequence, maybe that will help.

I saw a shot missed because another player hit his hand against the rail on the latter part of his stroke, a day later I made the exact same error and missed.. I'll try not to do that more times.. that's something one may only do so may times before they make a conscious correction. the reason it became obvious was that when my hand contacted the rail it became very obvious, especially since it had happened to him as well , that instilled the memory. The act of contact made the error become a obvious conscious error. that one is easy to correct , its simply situational awareness.

I think even as kids some are clumsy and untidy and some are tidy and careful with objects. We could become more aware when necessary but I believe a certain amount is just differences in human nature, and we are who we are.
 
I have noticed that most pros will start their shot process with the cue tip very very low on the cue ball. almost Hitting the felt. are they doing this to find center cue ball, or are they starting out that low and moving up a tip or so at cue delivery????

I have been messing around with this, and on long straight shots, (4 or 5 feet), I'm getting a really nice stop shot hitting that low. I use a very small backstroke, maybe 3 inches, and stroke. is this a good way to set up????? thanks for any input.
I started playing again after quoting 30 years ago at a high level. I noticed the same thing many pros these days line up with the cue about to dig into the felt even when their not playing draw just a stun. Not sure why. I also noticed a lot has changed from 30 years ago with carbon fiber & hard metal sounding jump cues and a million different brands and styles of tips.
 
I started playing again after quoting 30 years ago at a high level. I noticed the same thing many pros these days line up with the cue about to dig into the felt even when their not playing draw just a stun. Not sure why. I also noticed a lot has changed from 30 years ago with carbon fiber & hard metal sounding jump cues and a million different brands and styles of tips.
Many do this as part of the aiming/aligning process. Nothing new.
 
maybe carom players always aim where
they intend to hit the cue ball because
they never shoot stop shots?
 
I started playing again after quoting 30 years ago at a high level. I noticed the same thing many pros these days line up with the cue about to dig into the felt even when their not playing draw just a stun. Not sure why. I also noticed a lot has changed from 30 years ago with carbon fiber & hard metal sounding jump cues and a million different brands and styles of tips.

There is no place on a cue ball better to find center than where the ball and cloth come together at the bottom of the cue ball. A few favor the same thing except they center the cue on the top of the cue ball. Either way, they are making sure they start from center ball. If they need spin it should be applied a little more accurately.

Hu
 
I have noticed that most pros will start their shot process with the cue tip very very low on the cue ball. almost Hitting the felt. are they doing this to find center cue ball, or are they starting out that low and moving up a tip or so at cue delivery????

I have been messing around with this, and on long straight shots, (4 or 5 feet), I'm getting a really nice stop shot hitting that low. I use a very small backstroke, maybe 3 inches, and stroke. is this a good way to set up????? thanks for any input.
They line up near cloth to get a good spot on ball to pocket, as arm comes through the cue naturally raises from the pendulum motion. Depends on your length of grip and stroke where contact ends up. Some like that slight back spin to the ball to keep tracking straight.
 
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