why do some cue makers
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Are you saying he plagarized the knockoffs?
iirc Thomas was a proud member of the MARINES, i'm sure i'll be corrected if wrong
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If you actually read what I wrote you'll see I wasn't criticizing ANYBODY. The original poster asked about the difference between sharp-ended inlays and round-ended inlays. He SPECIFICALLY referenced a particular Searing cue, so I took the time to mock up a photo showing the VERY CUE HE REFERENCED with both looks.
At NO TIME did I criticize, "bash", or otherwise discredit any aspect of Searings work, personality, or anything else. I don't know the guy and had (at the time) only EVER seen perhaps two of his cues, one being the recent photos on this forum.
As for my "lazy" comment, the TW haters are openly taking that out of context, and twisting it like a pretzel. They can't even quote the entire sentence, which I punctuated with the all-important caveat regarding IF a design "calls" for sharp corners. I've been VERY CLEAR that such an assessment is something arrived by the cuemaker and by the viewer/customer.
In recent days several "top" cuemakers (mostly HoF makers) have sent me emails essentially saying "I told you so" about posting on AZB. They were right - it's a cesspool, which is why they don't post here. I now see their point, and - aside from this thread battle with "Barton/Collins/Whatever" - I have no intention of posting opinions, advice, or ideas here again. Photos of my work... maybe. "Buy American" comments... absolutely. Other than that, AZB is obviously a situation comedy better viewed from the outside.
TW
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No doubt. That's the problem with most of the crap coming out of China - they simply STEAL the ideas, designs, and hard work of others. Here we call that "plagiarism", there you call it "good business".
TW
Maybe at one time. But like you have apparently graduated from being a "lazy" cue maker who did rounded inlays to someone who now chisels the corners like the Filipino cue makers do, the Chinese have also graduated to having their own designers who turn out some really nice decal designs which are every bit as intricate as anything you have ever done.
Based on what I know no one who builds a QUALITY cue could ever be accused of stealing anything from you. Maybe the look as you do build some pretty pieces but not the construction as in my experience some Chinese cues hold up way better than yours do.
No I was saying that the pictures are pretty. Anyone can take a pretty picture and those are pretty cues. Thomas is highly creative.
He and others have clearly been the inspiration for all the intricate decal designs out there now. Because of Thomas' proclivity to build pretty cues and show them off it has inspired those who make low priced cues to design them in pretty and intricate ways thus making that level of design available to everyone who wants it.
At one time the Chinese were ONLY copying designs. Now there are still some companies which still rely on copying but the best ones do their own designing both in inlays and with decals.
So like it or not Thomas Wayne shares the world stage with cues that are $100, look similar to his and probably built about as well.
Gosh how will we ever survive? If Thomas Wayne and all his cues were to disappear from the Earth I predict that somehow the art of cue making would continue to exist and flourish.
You're so full of it. You have been the same jerk on every single pool message board you have ever graced with your presence.
Make you a deal: For every thread you post your buy American comments in I will post pictures of your work and a couple testimonials to your poor service to show folks which American cue maker to stay away from. Little tit-for-tat. Of course it won't matter as you claim to have orders from here to eternity or that you sell every cue you make. But at the least people will get the opportunity to see that everything that glitters is not gold in your case.
Of course IF a design calls for sharp corners is in WHOSE judgement?
Yours?
Of course.
I'm real confident that we could get by without you and your cheap made in china knockoff cases too
Sure. I know that I am nobody and that the world beats on with out me in it.
But I know what I have done and what my contributions to the craft have been. If you find a copy here please point it out alongside the original so everyone can see what you mean. -
http://www.jbcases.com/casesbyname.html
All I see from your side is a lot of ignorance and bigotry so far. Nice that you are such a sheep that you allow Thomas to distract you from the real points and lead you down the flag waving road.
Words to live by:
http://www.madeinusa.org/nav.cgi?info/whybuy
TW
http://www.madeinusa.org/nav.cgi?info/whybuy
TW
So since you dodged the question earlier let me ask it again? Do you refuse to sell to foreign buyers?
Will you take a pledge on AZB not to sell your cues to any foreign buyers?
Obviously you want to go down the road well traveled to deflect from your lack of service due to the poor workmanship of your cues. So let's go there.
When a buyer shows up with cash do you ask them how they made their money and refuse to sell to them if they are not a US citizen who has made their money on things only inside the USA?
Just curious what the questionnaire looks like? Or do you simply count the money?
You can't get anywhere with me on this topic Thomas. Better people than you have already tried this tactic dozens of times. It's a favorite of people who are backed into the corner and trapped by the truth. I am sorry that you have to deal with people who have bought your cues and had them go to crap and then had to deal with you holding their cues for years and never returning the product.
That won't go away. Maybe someday someone will have a display of TW cues that are in poor shape. That would be a fine display. I might ask one of my friends to approach you about buying a cue and see how much you trip over yourself to get that Chinese money.
But the Chinese buyers already know better than to actually buy your cues. Your reputation precedes you.
I will take that pledge. I will sell to foreign countries, just not communist ones.
And you well know that i've been screaming buy american way before this thread, from our previous arguments on the subject. Your the one being led, i live in the land of the free
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I will take that pledge. I will sell to foreign countries, just not communist ones.
Yeah sure. Bet you didn't know that the vast majority of people in China are not communists. You don't even know what a communist is do you? Nor do you know what the economy of China is.
No one wants your cues anyway but if they did you would sell to any person who showed up with money.
You obviously have been brainwashed by Joe Mcarthy.
I will take that pledge. I will sell to foreign countries, just not communist ones.
And you well know that i've been screaming buy american way before this thread, from our previous arguments on the subject. Your the one being led, i live in the land of the free
Being led? Hardly, I am exercising my freedom of choice to live where I want to and work where I want to. At least I can speak from personal experience about China and not from bigoted ignorant rhetoric as you do.
I represent the land of the free to a people who are striving to better their lives and the lives of their children.
You just want them all to starve and be building weapons instead of cues.
Holy shit, are you really that stupid? The entire point is to seek an EQUAL trade level with foreign countries. Currently it's disastrously skewed against the interests of American manufacturers. One realistic solution for U.S. makers is to sell to foreign customers whenever possible, and at the same time to NOT buy from them - at least until a balance is achieved.
But that raises an interesting question, Collins/Barton/Whatever... are you still legally an American citizen?
TW
So your solution is to make $100,000 cues and get foreigners to buy them as your contribution to the trade imbalance?
As I thought you want to sell to the world but encourage everyone not to buy from the world - in a self-serving attempt to somehow "hurt" me.
Well I think that you should spend a little time educating yourself on real economics and not flag-waving rhetoric
Here is a primer that even you can understand:
http://www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson/
Am I still legally a US citizen? Maybe. Is there such a thing as an illegal US citizen? And you call me stupid?
Don't worry Thomas I won't allow this to stray too far from the point that you refer to any cue maker who doesn't do sharp inlays as lazy IF the design warrants sharp inlays in your eyes, as alluded to by YOUR use of Dennis Searing's cue to superimpose a sharp diamond on it. You tried to wiggle out of your slam on Dennis by claiming you were not speaking about him yet instead of simply creating two mockups without using a Searing you DID use the Searing with the implication that people would naturally prefer the one with the sharp inlays.
There is only one idiot in this discussion between us and it's not me. You're a great decorator who builds passable cues sometimes and crappy ones other times. When the crappy ones come back you don't stand behind them.
And that has NOTHING to do with global economics and trade deficits and flag waving rah rahs - it's all about you slamming other cue makers when you won't stand behind your own work.
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Oh how I wish I been able to record the meeting with the Taiwanese cue maker who showed me his warped Thomas Wayne cue. Would be so appropriate right now. Back then I was just embarrassed for myself and for Thomas when the guy showed me a wall full of American made cues and picked the TW off the wall to show me how warped it was.
Clearly indisputable facts are hardly "rhetoric". I regularly ship products to foreign customers, and their single biggest concern is the DUTY they are forced to pay on anything imported from the United States.
China protects their own manufacturing by requiring high tariffs and VATs ("Value Added Taxes") of goods imported from the U.S., while we fail to do the same at our own borders. This is one of the root causes of our devastating trade imbalance, and one of the root solutions is for every American citizen to buy domestically manufactured goods whenever possible.
An alarming example of this problem is sports shoes. In China, sports shoes imported from the U.S. are subject to a 35% duty, even before any "value added taxes" are imposed. What makes this particularly insidious is that China is also the leading culprit in counterfeiting brand-name sports shoes (Nike, et al) and dumping them on other countries - the U.S. in particular. Again, like so many other questionable trade practices, knock-offs and counterfeits are not even looked down on among Chinese manufacturers; it's just considered "business as usual".
Another area of cheating China is notorious for is in the seafood industry, where there actually are some U.S. duties imposed on Chinese imports (shrimp, for instance). The Chinese importers evade these duties by unlawfully transshipping the goods through third countries (Taiwan, Malaysia, Korea, et al) that are illegally identified as the country of origin; by falsifying shipping documents to misrepresent the country of origin, and by intentionally miss-classifying the goods. Business as usual for China.
You can threaten, rant, rave all you want, John, but there's no getting around one very clear FACT: when an American citizen chooses to buy a foreign made product such as a JB Case, he hurts every American cue case manufacturer. If we want our country to become strong again [in the world market] we have to take a stand, and the easiest way to begin doing that is by NOT buying from foreign manufacturers.
And, frankly, if you actually ARE an American citizen, then you're just lining your own pockets at the expense of every American case manufacture - and you ought to be shot for treason. Just my opinion, of course... well, actually mine and a hell of a lot of other American's who give a damn.
TW
All very interesting Thomas. But has nothing to do with the indisputable fact that you appear very much to be a dishonest bully who won't stand behind his work.
Let's keep it confined to cues shall we.
Answer these for the viewing public.
How many cues do you currently possess which were sent to you for repair over a year ago?
What's the longest you ever kept a cue of yours that was sent for repair?
Why?
Have you returned all the cues sent to you for repair?
Were they repaired and sent back in pristine condition?
If not then why not?
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And on the subject of laziness in cue making were you ever "lazy" according to your own criteria with rounded inlays when the design called for sharp ones? Who can judge that? The maker or the customer?