Why do women usually get a game?

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This came up in a convo at my fri night tourney, why do women get a game spot? In the Midwest it seems to be a common practice for this. In a game where physical strength doesn't matter, and is all hand eye coordination with mental logic what difference does gender make? Why not handicap chess tourneys also?
The women that were involved in our convo had no reason for needing a spot and would prefer to play even based on skill.
 
mvp said:
This came up in a convo at my fri night tourney, why do women get a game spot? In the Midwest it seems to be a common practice for this. In a game where physical strength doesn't matter, and is all hand eye coordination with mental logic what difference does gender make? Why not handicap chess tourneys also?
The women that were involved in our convo had no reason for needing a spot and would prefer to play even based on skill.
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Except in one pocket, the break is where physical strength matters a lot.
 
sjm said:
Except in one pocket, the break is where physical strength matters a lot.
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Not only the break, but pretty much any power shot. If you need 90% of your strength to perform a shot that another person only needs 40% for, it will generally be easier for the one using 40%
 
mvp said:
This came up in a convo at my fri night tourney, why do women get a game spot? In the Midwest it seems to be a common practice for this. In a game where physical strength doesn't matter, and is all hand eye coordination with mental logic what difference does gender make? Why not handicap chess tourneys also?
The women that were involved in our convo had no reason for needing a spot and would prefer to play even based on skill.
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think its to encourage more woman to play. I've seen stronger women players refuse the spot in local tournaments.
 
mvp said:
This came up in a convo at my fri night tourney, why do women get a game spot? In the Midwest it seems to be a common practice for this. In a game where physical strength doesn't matter, and is all hand eye coordination with mental logic what difference does gender make? Why not handicap chess tourneys also?
The women that were involved in our convo had no reason for needing a spot and would prefer to play even based on skill.
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Well, chess is NOT a sport, so kind of hard to compare that. But I know what you are saying, but it's like that in a all low level athletic sports. Should not be, should not much difference, but for some reason it does ?? A question, I'm afraid, that nobody has the answer, though Alison Fisher came pretty close to answering it !!
 
ChicagoRJ said:
Well, chess is NOT a sport, so kind of hard to compare that. But I know what you are saying, but it's like that in a all low level athletic sports. Should not be, should not much difference, but for some reason it does ?? A question, I'm afraid, that nobody has the answer, though Alison Fisher came pretty close to answering it !!
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There are a few more women answering that question every day. Good question
 
Well, not really.

sjm said:
Except in one pocket, the break is where physical strength matters a lot.
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There are people who use a lot of power and body movement, but you can get the same result with hand speed.

Its all timing and coordination.
 
Theres a reason,

mvp said:
This came up in a convo at my fri night tourney, why do women get a game spot? In the Midwest it seems to be a common practice for this. In a game where physical strength doesn't matter, and is all hand eye coordination with mental logic what difference does gender make? Why not handicap chess tourneys also?
The women that were involved in our convo had no reason for needing a spot and would prefer to play even based on skill.
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There are so few women that play the same speed as men it makes since to assume that the handicap would promote the game and greater participation.

I have yet to play in a tournament where a woman has entered and won? The handicap might get you pass a player or two but not to the finish line.

So the handicap doesn't seem to matter and is needed in the end.
 
Well, I think it is possible for a woman to develop a power break, but it is more difficult than for a man. The template rack helped women compete win men on a more equal level for a while, but then they got set back 10 years by the 3 point rule (Europe). Ironically they now have more of chance in 10 ball than in 9 ball, since this isn't played with a break box here. You can hit it at a certain speed a bit above medium and make a ball most of the time. They are still at a disadvantage to men making 2-3 balls as a matter of course, but at least they don't get shut out if they can shoot decently. 8 ball...no chance. 14.1..You'd think they'd be more competitive here, but IMO they're not. Why that is, I have no idea. They shoot quite straight, but many female players play strange patterns to my eyes. I guess maybe they don't practice this game as much? Makes sense, since there are a lot fewer 14.1 tournaments.

Realistically the women need 2 games on the wire in 9 ball, 1 game on the wire in 10 ball (race to 7, alternate break) and 30 points to 100 in straightpool to make it interesting (I'm talking about the best ones). But then again, I very rarely play handicap tournaments.
 
It's simple.

Far less women play then men. If 5% of the population has some aptitude to really play pool well, you're going to have a lot more male players that can compete and very few female players. Think about it for a minute. Look around the next time you're at the pool hall. It'll be filled with guys playing that don't have a clue what they're doing, just out having a good time with buddies. The serious players are far and few between. Now realize that there is only a small fraction of women that play compared to the men...the really serious and talented women are practically non-existent at the local level.

But don't think that there aren't women that can sweep in and kick all ya'lls butts in local tournaments. At the highest level of play, the women start to thin out so much that they're simply not competitive, just like all of you wouldn't be competitive playing against pros.

It's just a numbers game, that's all. There are plenty of women out there that have the potential. There just simply aren't enough women playing that we're able to find them in numbers even beginning to approach the number of competitive male players.
 
RJ is absolutely correct. Chess is not a sport, and Miss Fisher wouldn't need a spot anywhere in the world.
At the local level, however, that notion rarely holds true.
Remember, gentlemen. A woman is a woman, but a good cigar is a smoke.
That attitude would probably explain why I have spent so much time by myself, lo these many years. :smile:
 
It's what happens after the break that determines the winner. I am so sick of streams that show the break in 9 ball or 10 ball two or 3 times. Efren never broke well in his life, yet he handed out losses to the best players.
 
Cracktherack said:
It's what happens after the break that determines the winner. I am so sick of streams that show the break in 9 ball or 10 ball two or 3 times. Efren never broke well in his life, yet he handed out losses to the best players.
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Pretty big misconception. Efren never broke as well as the best breakers in the game, but he still had a decent break.
 
mvp said:
This came up in a convo at my fri night tourney, why do women get a game spot? In the Midwest it seems to be a common practice for this. In a game where physical strength doesn't matter, and is all hand eye coordination with mental logic what difference does gender make? Why not handicap chess tourneys also?
The women that were involved in our convo had no reason for needing a spot and would prefer to play even based on skill.
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Because people that run events are often clueless or want to have more women enter. I find this odd also to just automatically give any woman a game on the wire just because.

I can see them giving woman a discounted entry to get more to play, but even that is pushing things. After all, isn't the US gong towards everyone being equally treated no matter what?
 
mvp said:
This came up in a convo at my fri night tourney, why do women get a game spot? In the Midwest it seems to be a common practice for this. In a game where physical strength doesn't matter, and is all hand eye coordination with mental logic what difference does gender make? Why not handicap chess tourneys also?
The women that were involved in our convo had no reason for needing a spot and would prefer to play even based on skill.
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Who'd yards lose to lol??? In general women can't compete with the men so a game is used to entice those pool groupies to participate .
 
mvp said:
This came up in a convo at my fri night tourney, why do women get a game spot? In the Midwest it seems to be a common practice for this. In a game where physical strength doesn't matter, and is all hand eye coordination with mental logic what difference does gender make? Why not handicap chess tourneys also?
The women that were involved in our convo had no reason for needing a spot and would prefer to play even based on skill.
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Giving women a spot is always a great idea.

Good way to get more women involved which will attract more men.


Besides, women were never as good as the men. Very few women can compete and win against men.

It's always been this way....


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