Why Don't Chinese Players Play U.S. Tourny's
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drivermaker
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jhendri2 said:
They get 3 days of the runs from drinking our water and can't stand all the meats and fast food.
How do you think it would affect American Custom Cue sales to have them beating our players with crappy cues made in China?
O
onepocketchump
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When I was in Taiwan I would go into poolrooms and it would look as though there were a half million dollar's worth of cues on the racks. The truth is that there are some VERY good cuemakers in Taiwan. There are cues there that hit every bit as good as any made in the USA. There are small cuemakers there just like here.
Another little factoid that gets lost in the whole flag waving hysteria is that a lot of the Taiwanese players use HIGH DOLLAR American cues. These cues were imported to Taiwan by people who sell low dollar cues to the USA. So for everyone who complains about the imports there is someone else who benefits from the proceeds. It's all about balance.
Another thing is that the poolrooms are almost always clean with tough tables that are cleaned after each use. The balls are cleaned each time and the visitor is treated with dignity and respect. The tables are really initimidating but after a few days I started to get comfortable on them.
John
Another little factoid that gets lost in the whole flag waving hysteria is that a lot of the Taiwanese players use HIGH DOLLAR American cues. These cues were imported to Taiwan by people who sell low dollar cues to the USA. So for everyone who complains about the imports there is someone else who benefits from the proceeds. It's all about balance.
Another thing is that the poolrooms are almost always clean with tough tables that are cleaned after each use. The balls are cleaned each time and the visitor is treated with dignity and respect. The tables are really initimidating but after a few days I started to get comfortable on them.
John
That is true, I was at the '97 WPC in Chicago. The 7 ROC player's main cues were 2 Falcons, 3 Southwests, a Gina and a Tad. Without the level of commercialism and thanks to a very supportive govt. the ROC players get decent equipment. I think the ROC is concerned that their players may defect, if allowed to play UPA tour stops.onepocketchump said:
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RSB-Refugee said:
Yup...majority of them use South West cues. This can also be seen in the WPC website at the player info section. An interesting point that one of my chinese friend (who is close to the taiwanese team) made regarding their cue preference is that, almost all of them do not use predator shafts and prefers high grade maple shafts.
I remember Chao having a nice Ginacue, jeniffer chen had a High end Cognoscenti, and Yang had a SW cue with ivory points. I forgot the name of the other 2 players who had a nice McDaniel and JossWest.
There are many reasons that Taiwanese players don't come to the US much.
1) Language barriers. I dont' think many of them can communicate fluently in English.
2) Monetary reasons: There aren't enough high dollar tournaments in the US to attract them to come to the US to play for an extended period of time. There's the usual BCA and US Open, but it's quite expensive to come for just a few tournaments. In addition, the competition is stiff here and there's no guarantee they'll win every time.
3) Business reasons: A lot of the pro players run their own room(s) or they work as club coahes in a ph. Some may have other jobs. So it's kind of taugh to leave everything behind for a month or two.
4) Asia has quite a few tournaments year-round. There's the pro tour in Taiwan, the big tournaments in Japan, the San Miguel Asia Tour, some tournaments in the Philliphines, and many other tournaments. So there's no strong need to find new tournaments to play in. Plus, you get top notch competition in Asia already, as many of the US and European players travel to Asia to play tournaments.
The pros in Taiwan, like many of the pool fans there, like using American custom cues. You'll probably find more custom cues in a good pool hall in Taipei, then if you go to a ph in the US (such as the Amsterdam in NYC). Most pros use US custom cues, with some using a good lcoal cuemaker named Ray and some using Japanese made customs.
1) Language barriers. I dont' think many of them can communicate fluently in English.
2) Monetary reasons: There aren't enough high dollar tournaments in the US to attract them to come to the US to play for an extended period of time. There's the usual BCA and US Open, but it's quite expensive to come for just a few tournaments. In addition, the competition is stiff here and there's no guarantee they'll win every time.
3) Business reasons: A lot of the pro players run their own room(s) or they work as club coahes in a ph. Some may have other jobs. So it's kind of taugh to leave everything behind for a month or two.
4) Asia has quite a few tournaments year-round. There's the pro tour in Taiwan, the big tournaments in Japan, the San Miguel Asia Tour, some tournaments in the Philliphines, and many other tournaments. So there's no strong need to find new tournaments to play in. Plus, you get top notch competition in Asia already, as many of the US and European players travel to Asia to play tournaments.
The pros in Taiwan, like many of the pool fans there, like using American custom cues. You'll probably find more custom cues in a good pool hall in Taipei, then if you go to a ph in the US (such as the Amsterdam in NYC). Most pros use US custom cues, with some using a good lcoal cuemaker named Ray and some using Japanese made customs.
drivermaker
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onepocketchump said:
I don't doubt what you said at all about the cues. However, wait until another cue thread comes up about production cues in this country and if they're being made over there and you know damn well what you'll hear. If they ain't 100% American made...then they're ca-ca! (Personally, I think a Lucasi plays pretty damn good and so does Helmstetter)
drivermaker
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jhendri2 said:While Lucasi and Helmstetter are pretty good cues, you have to admit, the very best are American made. If not, I'll trade you a Lucasi for your Hercek.
Jim
I haven't been keeping up with things lately so refresh my memory and bring me up to speed...is Hercek a production cue?
Well, he "produces" cues. If it'll get me a Hercek for the price of a Lucasi, I'll call whatever the hell you want me to call them .
On a more serious note, I'd like to see the top Chinese players in the Derby City Classic. I just wonder how they'd fair in that format?
Jim
.On a more serious note, I'd like to see the top Chinese players in the Derby City Classic. I just wonder how they'd fair in that format?
Jim
drivermaker
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jhendri2 said:Well, he "produces" cues. If it'll get me a Hercek for the price of a Lucasi, I'll call whatever the hell you want me to call them
Jim
Did God "produce" or "create" everything on Earth. I think Joel might be deity status among cuemakers.
drivermaker
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jhendri2 said:
OK...I'll see if I can do my best to get Joel to move you back to the end of the line and have your date around 2011.
I already own a Lucasi...how about a Szamboti?
O
onepocketchump
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If a Chinese manufacturer were to move his entire production to the USA including all the people, equipment and materials would the cues be better because they were made on US soil? Conversely, if Joel Herceck were to move to China and take along his equipment and exactly duplicate his shop over there would his cues be as good?
There are GREAT cuemakers everywhere. I know this thread is taking a different route but I personally have played with great cues and crappy cues made in the USA, Germany, Taiwan, and China.
Now, apparently Taiwan is mass producing great pool players. Hey, Kevin Trudeau, how about a global tour that attracts all the great players?
Ciao
There are GREAT cuemakers everywhere. I know this thread is taking a different route but I personally have played with great cues and crappy cues made in the USA, Germany, Taiwan, and China.
Now, apparently Taiwan is mass producing great pool players. Hey, Kevin Trudeau, how about a global tour that attracts all the great players?
Ciao