Why eliminate luck from pool?

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smoooothstroke

JerLaw
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IDK why we would want to remove the luck factor completely from pool.

One game where luck can play a big part is 9-ball (Texas express).I am not a big 9-ball fan but....isn't it the game that brings more new players into the game?When a league player leaves the bartable and bar to migrate to the 9 footers they go from 8-ball to 9-ball (generally).

Its the luck factor that lets people believe they are good enough to compete at a higher level.If new players came in and tried playing 8-ball,or something against the pool room rats they would quickly leave the game due to a near 0 win %.

Lucky rolls rarely play any factor in a pro vs pro match so its not worth worrying about.

Would you try to remove all chance from poker?

As it is the tighter pocket tables witch I personally approve of are reducing the luck factor enough that new players may be a bit put off from the game.The tighter tables are great for professional pool too IMO.
 
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"The more I practice, the luckier I get."

Gary Player, champion golf professional



Luck is part of life. You can devise convoluted ways to try to minimize it, but it will always be there...pissing off the loser.

Besides, if you did, Efren would never win.
 
smoooothstroke said:
Lucky rolls rarely play any factor in a pro vs pro match so its not worth worrying about.
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Id say one lucky roll can often be the deciding factor in a pro vs pro match. Im not talking about lucking a ball into a pocket. I'm talking about when one pro hooks the other and the one that kicks gets a return lockup safe. Or when the rare miss happens and they dont leave a shot. One of the biggest factors is getting an opening shot after the break, which can definitely be considered luck.

I do not agree with trying to play nine ball as a call shot game, because the biggest rolls in the game at a higher level are rarely the ball being missed but then going into another pocket. I think if your going to play call shot rotation it should be as some of the tournaments are now being played, as in call shots and call safes. It does take away the two way shot but it takes the most luck out of the game.

Nine ball was a much better game when they played the two shot foul rules, or roll out as some call it.

You do make a great point about lower players feeling like they have a chance to win. Which is great until your the favored player and watch as someone you should be able to give the 7 to runs over you LOL.

Woody
 
Dunnn51 said:
A simple question?

Is there "Luck" in a chess-match ?
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Considering there are no outside influences involving the pieces on the board, I would say yes.
If you have your strategy planned and your opponent moves his piece to the perfect place for you to go for the kill... was that your strategy that made him move it there or did you get lucky?
 
smoooothstroke said:
Its like people want perfect justice from pool,look...the rolls even out in the long run,enjoy the game.
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That's exactly how I look at it. We've all won and lost games by being more fortunate than our opponents. (sounds much better than lucky)
Or the ever popular "I/you got all the rolls tonight"

To the OP, I think you're right about the transition. When I play with friends that don't play often, I tend to play 9 ball so they have a chance at winning. Or 8 ball but with a handicap (bank last couple balls, etc)
 
The no possibility of separating luck from pool. The notion of luck itself is not accurate. Random probabilities are a part of everything. Luck just describes those probabilities that occur in your favor. Probabilities even out for everyone over time. To resent those probabilities that do not go in your favor is counter-productive.
 
Well said

ChopStick said:
The no possibility of separating luck from pool. The notion of luck itself is not accurate. Random probabilities are a part of everything. Luck just describes those probabilities that occur in your favor. Probabilities even out for everyone over time. To resent those probabilities that do not go in your favor is counter-productive.
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Very well said !

the first time I thought ,... "ok, there's the "Luck" shot, glad it is here and over-with.
Then came the second"whack" at the CB hits it thin and off it goes 3 rails for the side-pocket. I know my opponent very well, we played on the same team together awhile back. He does not know 3-cushion pool. I thought perhaps he started, but his indecisive whack told me that was not the case.
that luck shot opened up the table to let him run. :frown:
 
smoooothstroke said:
IDK why we would want to remove the luck factor completely from pool.

One game where luck can play a big part is 9-ball (Texas express).I am not a big 9-ball fan but....isn't it the game that brings more new players into the game?When a league player leaves the bartable and bar to migrate to the 9 footers they go from 8-ball to 9-ball (generally).

Its the luck factor that lets people believe they are good enough to compete at a higher level.If new players came in and tried playing 8-ball,or something against the pool room rats they would quickly leave the game due to a near 0 win %.

Lucky rolls rarely play any factor in a pro vs pro match so its not worth worrying about.

Would you try to remove all chance from poker?

As it is the tighter pocket tables witch I personally approve of are reducing the luck factor enough that new players may be a bit put off from the game.The tighter tables are great for professional pool too IMO.
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Luck does help some people. New comers to the 9 foot tables, takes a little time to master. Changing to 9 ball has a new fad for them as well.
They will have a learning process to over come. They will be OK though. Luck and all.
Many Regards,
Luck N Load.

Lock<---- Gets lucky a lot!
 
smoooothstroke said:
Its like people want perfect justice from pool,look...the rolls even out in the long run,enjoy the game.
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This debate is exhausting. Luck belongs, and is an integral part of all sports. Chess requires no physical execution and so comparing it to pool is about the dumbest thing in history. Why does the best player have to win everytime btw? If that were the case, just vote on who wins a pool tournament! Why play at all? This topic makes me angry honestly so I think I'm gonna just leave it at that.
 
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ChopStick said:
The no possibility of separating luck from pool. The notion of luck itself is not accurate. Random probabilities are a part of everything. Luck just describes those probabilities that occur in your favor. Probabilities even out for everyone over time. To resent those probabilities that do not go in your favor is counter-productive.
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Well put, sir.
 
I also think luck should not attempt to be removed from pool. My favorite thing in pool is riding the 9 and making it. I dance and holler all over the room when I do. To me its very enjoyable.

In poker, you have all the equivalents to whatever we call bangers, and they all think they are champions and only got beat because someone got lucky on them. They ship the money time and time again, thinking luck beat them.

If only pool was like that, we'd have pool rooms packed.
 
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