Why have weekly tournaments on the same night????????

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Milo said:
I have a question and would love everyones comments or imput.
Why do pool room and bar owners schedule their tournaments on the same nights as others in their local area??? I have always wondered about this. It seems to me its very counter productive to supporting the sport,and their establishment. I wish more would "work together", which IMO seems to be the answer. Why make the players have to choose?:confused:


Not only weekly tournaments, but regional, and bigger tournaments also, for example. Last year 1 week before thanksgiving, there were 3-4 BIG events the same weekend. 1 was a team tournament which alot of teams qualify for, it's called the 7 state tournament, one was a casino tournament in south eastern Iowa, the other was a large singles event in north dakota I believe, and I signed up with my team for the seven state, I got a call that week to go the the casino tournament and set up and do repair/sales, and a few friends of mine wanted to go the the singles tournament in dakota, more money. Talk about your rock and hard place situations, not to mention if done on seperate weekends, these events would have been huge, no doubt.

Organizations, and Tourn. prom... are competing and pool is loosing, now I know that some times that's the only week end avalible, and space was limited, ect........

I think if all the promoters, directors, league organizations, tours, ect.....got together, for 10 years, and worked together, not fighting, I think the sport would grow by leaps, and bounds to the point that 256 man tournaments would fill normaly, there would be, Master, A, B, and C tournaments all over with 128 player fields filled more often than not, pool might reach popularity of 1/4 of what golf has, oh god the thought. and maybe, just maybe a staying corp...spon......nope, not going to say it, that thought of that much money, and coverage might give someone ideas of great things that could be.
 
Just a thought as a player.

I don't want there to only be one tournament a night all week long, in this area there are some players who are not pro's but all they do is play pool for the most part, I am decent but if there is only one tournament a night I would be there with the same 3-5 guys who would win everytime. Atleast with multiple tournaments I can choose to avoid them when I want and have a chance to get into the money.

Another factor is TIME, if every tournament ends up with 30 players and they don't start till 7:30(and most 8pm because the TD's don't start when advertised), you end up being out way to late, I here this from a lot of players who work in the mornings. Even if I only win 2 matches I am there till 11pm-midnight, I don't get in the money and I didnt really play much pool, not really what I am looking for. So the fields being split up into around 16 players is fine with me.
 
Now, if you are talking about big tournaments, like once a month or once every few months I think the fields should be as big as possible as that is what thoughs players are looking for and time is not a factor, so that would make sense to get on the same page as the other owners.
 
a few facts

For those AZ-er who might be intersted or may be wondering..

-the players-

Milo=Andrea,a good friend of mine,a pool player,runs an in house league at Malarky's.

manwon=Craig,owns and operates a small pool room and cue repair/sales shop.

Nateshoeph=Nate,travelling cue salesmen,pool player,writes reviews for pool rooms, http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=94436&highlight=worst+tacoma

Secretsquirel=Larry,Andreas husband,pool player.

Smoooothstroke=Jerry,pool player,DQ,pot stirrer.

-places-

Malarky's is downtown Tacoma.Formerly City Lights billiards,the new owners Clark and Michelle renamed it Malarky's pool and brew.Aprox 9Valley 7' BB and 11 GC tables.

Full Splice Billiards is located in South Tacoma(maybe Lakewood adress).Not sure of the tables,I guess around 8 total,9 footers and 8 foot tables.

-tournaments-as far as 9 ball tournaments on 9 foot tables in the South Puget Sound area there are two that I know of,they are both on wensday night at the two locations above.
 
every time i read something milo writes on this site i just laugh out loud. it seems everything that comes out of her mouth is a lie. she wonders why businesses have tournaments on the same night as each other yet what she is really trying to say is that it just makes her sick to her stomach that her pool hall is losing all of its players to a better tournament. she doesnt care about whats best for the pool players or the pool players opinions she only cares about whats best for malarkeys. as long as malarkeys is on top shes happy. for years malarkeys was the number 1 pool hall in the area and now another pool hall is slowly closing in on them and gaining ground and ready to take over and she just cannot bear this. she does not want competition. she is jealous and envious of other pool halls. personally i find it humorous. she cannot handle the fact that all of the pool players are beginning to realize that full splice is quickly becoming the best place to play on wednesday nights. as for secretsquirrel calling me a stalker i do not know who this jerkoff is and honestly dont care. people can say what they want about me it dont bother me. i know more pool players than any other tournament director around and because i do such a good job at promoting my tournaments thats why i get so many players and have ran quality tournaments for the last 3 years. ask anyone about my tournaments at the royal bear. many will say it was one of the most popular tournaments around and when i started it i started with zero players but because i promoted it i very quickly started getting 20 or more players per tournament within a few weeks. thats what i do i build tournaments i am very good at it. people come to my tournaments because i am honest friendly and fair. i also run tournaments at another bar in pierce county on sunday and thursday nights. whether people like me or not i dont really care. i know more people who do like me then that dont. i have more than my share of friends in this business. what they will tell u is that i run a good tournament.
 
smoooothstroke said:
For those AZ-er who might be intersted or may be wondering..

-the players-

Milo=Andrea,a good friend of mine,a pool player,runs an in house league at Malarky's.

manwon=Craig,owns and operates a small pool room and cue repair/sales shop.

Nateshoeph=Nate,travelling cue salesmen,pool player,writes reviews for pool rooms, http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=94436&highlight=worst+tacoma

Secretsquirel=Larry,Andreas husband,pool player.

Smoooothstroke=Jerry,pool player,DQ,pot stirrer.

-places-

Malarky's is downtown Tacoma.Formerly City Lights billiards,the new owners Clark and Michelle renamed it Malarky's pool and brew.Aprox 9Valley 7' BB and 11 GC tables.

Full Splice Billiards is located in South Tacoma(maybe Lakewood adress).Not sure of the tables,I guess around 8 total,9 footers and 8 foot tables.

-tournaments-as far as 9 ball tournaments on 9 foot tables in the South Puget Sound area there are two that I know of,they are both on wensday night at the two locations above.

I think this a good representation of the people involved, however, I have 7 - 9 ft tables and 2 8 ft tables all are well maintained, new cloth, clean, and very playable.

-tournaments-as far as 9 ball tournaments on 9 foot tables in the South Puget Sound area there are two that I know of,they are both on Wednesday night at the two locations above.[/

This is also very true, and why should it matter, I am very satisfied with my turn out, I can't speak for Malarkeys. But also throw in the fact that a numbers Bar tournaments are also on the same night, and that a number of the players do go to these also.

Either way, all any business owner can do is take care of Business. Everyone knows that pool players have opinions and many of these can be very useful to a Room Owner if they listen, however, if they don't people will go other places, I have no idea if that is the case here.

But in the case of this thread, no matter what has been said there is much more going on than what has been written here. Maybe, the OP should take the plunge and open a room, then they can do things however, they see fit. That may certainly be a good experience, for any player who really wants to support this sport for the love of it.

Just my thoughts!!
 
Smoooothstroke=Jerry,pool player,DQ,pot stirrer.

Why don't you tell the full truth, you are also an employee of City Lights/Malarkys, you don't pay table time there. And your best friends are the owner, Andrea the original OP, and her husband.
 
NateSchoepf said:
Smoooothstroke=Jerry,pool player,DQ,pot stirrer.

Why don't you tell the full truth, you are also an employee of City Lights/Malarkys, you don't pay table time there. And your best friends are the owner, Andrea the original OP, and her husband.

Lol here we go again Nate-do you realy want to start with me?

Andrea is my good friend,all others are acquaintances just like yourself.

I am not,nor have I ever been an employee of Malarky's or City Lights.I have done odd jobs there as I do at several other pool rooms,buisnesses,and homes.

Nate I do not say this to be mean...do yourself a favor and consider not posting on this furum anymore.
 
truth?

manwon said:
Thanks for injecting some truth into this, you are certainly an unbiased voice that knows both parties. The Bull $hit was getting deep, thanks God it is raining today!!:smile:

Thanks
Truth or more supposition?
 
Late on this topic and don;t have time to read the whole thing but a couple of possible reasons I guess. League nights on other nights which takes up the tables in both locations. Other events going on where they don't want the pool tables used (i.e. dart leagues, karaoke, etc). I know Dr. Cues would have their tourney the same night as Goldies on 45th in Seattle. Dr. Cues started at 7 and Goldies at 9 or so. So if you lost quick in the 9 footer tourney you couls haul arse to the 7 foot tourney. Actually made more money playing that Goldies tourney every week cause it finished so late that a different person was in the finals each week.

Here in Bakersfield I think there is really only one tourney on Sunday night. Sad that a town of this size has one tourney. Be lucky you have options. :)
 
There are many tournaments in our area,at least 1 every day of the week.The tounaments in question are the ony 2 that are played on 9' tables.Most if not all the league play is on 7 and 8' tables.
 
behind the scenes

I think you have missed the boat here Craig.One can never tell what truly motivates another.There may be resentments,envy,paranoya or other delusion thoughts in a person who appears to be acting rationaly.My personal feeling is that Andrea's main motivation is the good of pool.Yes she has ties to Malarky's but they are not what some might assume.Andrea does not run tournaments there and has not for years.I know her as a person who like myself wishes to promote the game of pool.If this was not the case we would not be friends.

Last time I brought up to Andrea that I planned on frequenting Full Splice once you get the diamond tables she said she would also go.

Craig you seam like a stand up guy and I hope you are capable of appolagizing as well.

Yes your tables are in fine shape and your room is well run.Malarky's is a bit more of a bar atmosphere and the GC are in rough shape right now.

As a pool player I would prefer to be able to play in as many weekly tournaments as possible.I know there are reasons why you chose to have your tounaent on the same night as the long running tourney at Malarky.s.Some might assume that your reasons are devious others would say it doesnt matter that the only two 9'tournaments are at the same time.I think that whatever the reasons for this it is rediculous and doesnt benefit the pool playing public at all.
 
smoooothstroke said:
Truth or more supposition?

I would suspect that the same can be said of your involvement. Voice of reason or just another voice in the back ground, but only you can answer that, just like Ross did.
 
Hi Todd

T8BALL said:
every time i read something milo writes on this site i just laugh out loud. it seems everything that comes out of her mouth is a lie. she wonders why businesses have tournaments on the same night as each other yet what she is really trying to say is that it just makes her sick to her stomach that her pool hall is losing all of its players to a better tournament. she doesnt care about whats best for the pool players or the pool players opinions she only cares about whats best for malarkeys. as long as malarkeys is on top shes happy. for years malarkeys was the number 1 pool hall in the area and now another pool hall is slowly closing in on them and gaining ground and ready to take over and she just cannot bear this. she does not want competition. she is jealous and envious of other pool halls. personally i find it humorous. she cannot handle the fact that all of the pool players are beginning to realize that full splice is quickly becoming the best place to play on wednesday nights. as for secretsquirrel calling me a stalker i do not know who this jerkoff is and honestly dont care. people can say what they want about me it dont bother me. i know more pool players than any other tournament director around and because i do such a good job at promoting my tournaments thats why i get so many players and have ran quality tournaments for the last 3 years. ask anyone about my tournaments at the royal bear. many will say it was one of the most popular tournaments around and when i started it i started with zero players but because i promoted it i very quickly started getting 20 or more players per tournament within a few weeks. thats what i do i build tournaments i am very good at it. people come to my tournaments because i am honest friendly and fair. i also run tournaments at another bar in pierce county on sunday and thursday nights. whether people like me or not i dont really care. i know more people who do like me then that dont. i have more than my share of friends in this business. what they will tell u is that i run a good tournament.

note to nate-I do consider Todd a friend-

Hey Todd,welcome to AZ.Milo does not have a pool hall to my knowledge nor does she have a financial interest in any pool room.Andrea like myself gets free table time a Malarky's.Speaking for myself the free table time is not the determining factor in where I play pool and I only play a fraction of my pool time there,much of that time is feeding quaters in to the bar boxes.

Todd you do an exellent job running tournaments and I am glad you are part of the pool comunity.I have heard stories of you dipping in the pot but I can not verify this as truth.Like most people in our area I have heard disturbing stories about some of the things you do to get players in your tourneys.I think you are a bit obsessed with pool but then who among us is not?
 
good idea

Snapshot9 said:
I used to publish a billiards newsletter for my area once every 2 months.
The last page of it was a 1 page summary of all the upcoming tournaments including normal weekly tournaments. Room owners could scan my tournament page, and use it to rearrange weekly tournaments so that it fell on a different night from their competition most of the time.

The onlly real problem I ran into was with 3 ball tournaments since so many of them are held, but normal 8 and 9 ball tournaments were not a problem.

I discontinued it about 5 years ago, but still get asked if I publish 'The Green Felt'.

LOl are ther lots of 3 ball tourneys in Kansas?
 
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Now as for my tournament Director, we both know the issue there, the gentleman is Handicapped and yes he has some problems with calling people at inopportune times.

We may be talking about two different people but I never knew he was handicapped. I have NEVER seen him exhibit any physical disabilities and on several different occasions, he has been capable of carrying on a conversation that requires thought. The gentleman in question has gone beyond the point of merely being a pest. If I tell someone not to call and he decides to call 7 or more times after that, it?s phone harassment and in some states, it is classified as a felony. Now, I personally have never seen a felony that was harmless. How it harms my business is that it wastes my employees? time and also my time. We have disallowed him in our establishment due to some serious behavior problems I refuse to divulge and post in a public forum. Granted, the behavior that looks ?harmless? now is only the very beginning contact patterns of a stalker. That is the opinion of a professional criminal profiler.

But he was doing this long before I hired him to work for me part time.

Undeniably, this behavior of his is not at your directive. However, once an employer hires an employee the employer assumes some kind of responsibility for disciplining or curbing behavior. Call me crazy but calling players away from another tournament (which really doesn?t work) vs. calling league players away from another location (which really doesn?t work) is pretty much the same thing.

Andrea knows loud and clear that it is not my style to go trolling in waters for fish that are spoken for. In other words, she knows making phone calls to league players from other establishments to play in my establishment is not permitted. I am more inclined to believe that it really is not the case and more likely it is another case of somebody trying to blacken the reputation of Andrea. People have a funny way of talking without realizing who is over their shoulder. In either instance true or not, do I think there was any damage done? I didn?t see league players flocking from your place and I sure didn?t see tournament players flocking from my place. When you opened your place did I see players go? Sure I did. Did I see some come back? Sure I did. Did I see some teams disappear? Sure I did. Did some come from the Schooner? Sure they did. Did new teams form with players that have not played before, sure they did. Such is life when you pay that wonderful fee for a business license.

There are circumstances where Andrea has had phone numbers for players that have previously played from our in house leagues. Lord knows that we have had TONS of them throughout the years. Many of these in-house leagues existed before I managed City Lights, before I owned Malarkeys, before you had your pool room and before Doug had his league. IMO, she is perfectly entitled to call those players to see if they want to play in the in-house. However, I think she is smart enough only to call them once and then have a good enough impression whether or not to ever call them again.

What do you think, that none of this was directed at me, if you do Larry your deluded.

How do you know it was not directed at me? It is very possible that she has approached me about changing the night of the Wed night tourney and I told her no friggin? way.

There is nothing wrong with asking questions or for opinions, but a one sided conversation that only brings out selected facts is not the answer either. So please answer the following questions:

1. Do you and your wife get perks for promoting malarkeys - Like free pool time and other things?


No they do not. Larry pays for his pool time and full price for meals. Andrea receives employee benefits for a variety of reasons but far from the promotional department of Malarkeys. I have a completely different ?street team? that takes care of that.

2. Does your wife run tournaments at Malarkeys?

Steven is our tournament director. He is compensated accordingly for it. Andrea does not run tournaments at Malarkeys. However, if I asked her to she will gladly fill in for Steve in his absence even though she REALLY does not want to run those tournaments anymore.

3. Has your wife, who only doing this Pool disrupted the Local BCA pool league, and went around the existing league operator so that her and her very small group can get qualified for the Nations. Is this for the good of pool she seeks, or is it a personal choice based upon something else

I am REALLY surprised you took this side of the fence considering a phone conversation we had about in-house leagues. There is HUGE controversy over this in house that we have and frankly, it makes me want to throw up considering the opinions of the people who mistakenly represent they are promoting pool.

I am going to clear up some myths. Many of the players that are in this in house league really do not want to travel (the very reason our little joint venture didn?t work out.) Some of the other players that play in this league do so merely because it is available. Some players play as a courtesy to the other players just so they can have the minimum number to pull it off. Other players do so because they can play with their friends. And some do it because they can?t stand Doug and the way he runs things. But the number ONE reason this league exists is because I (ME CLARK SMITH) told Andrea to get it started because I felt there was enough CUSTOMER CONCERN. Doug has never decided to approach the issue with me. Nobody else has decided to except for you, Craig, because you were addressing some of the concerns on behalf of yourself and your customers and also you were trying to get something similar started. You were perfectly aware of whose charter it was.

Have I ever asked a team captain why they play out of your location? Bet your butt I have. I have while they were in my location and I accepted his answer without a problem. I will tell you that person was Billy C. Now was I trying to bait him away? I didn?t pitch him a thing. He cracks me up and we have a lot of fun when we are around each other, but I respect that he wants to play out of your place. What the information does, is it provides me with ingredients to be able to build a better place. Craig, I don?t just ask about your place either. I want to know why people play at the Right Spot, Black Star, the Schooner and plenty of other places. You are not my only competition, but I really don?t view you as that either.

At this point, for whatever it is worth, I will address my viewpoint on the two Wednesday night tournaments. I guess everybody has forgotten about the Wed night tournament over at Latitude 84? Here is what I think about OUR wed night tourneys. I think that if you add the players from yours, and I add the players from mine, the total is larger than if only one or the other existed. For the record, I don?t have a problem with any another Wed night tournament. I don?t think my business partner has a problem with it either. Somehow, I wonder how this has been manipulated into how I have this big problem, or my partner has this big problem or there is this big problem with the tournament on wed night or Malarkeys has a problem. I think it is good for the game and let the players have a choice.

I am not going to violate a confidence between myself and anyone else, like I said those teams choose to move to my room without my insistence do to the Nonsense created with the BCA. Larry as far, having the facts straight, they are straight?

I think a lot of the facts are well beyond jaded. Am I sticking up for Larry and Andrea? No, not really. Seems I was dragged into this to help identify what is true and what is not. Do I think there was any maliciousness in Andrea?s post? No. Do I think it was a dumb question? I could show you a thousand that are worse in usenet. I think it does pose a valid request for information?.

Do the players want multiple tournaments on a night? What do they want out of these tournaments? Do they want to play top players? Do they want profitability? Benefits? What?

Far as you and I Craig? There was not a problem and if there was you know I would be on the phone to you. I only hope you would do the same.

Peace out G!
Clark ? Malarkeys owner
 
smoooothstroke said:
I think you have missed the boat here Craig.One can never tell what truly motivates another.There may be resentments,envy,paranoya or other delusion thoughts in a person who appears to be acting rationaly.My personal feeling is that Andrea's main motivation is the good of pool.Yes she has ties to Malarky's but they are not what some might assume.Andrea does not run tournaments there and has not for years.I know her as a person who like myself wishes to promote the game of pool.If this was not the case we would not be friends.

Last time I brought up to Andrea that I planned on frequenting Full Splice once you get the diamond tables she said she would also go.

Craig you seam like a stand up guy and I hope you are capable of appolagizing as well.

Yes your tables are in fine shape and your room is well run.Malarky's is a bit more of a bar atmosphere and the GC are in rough shape right now.

As a pool player I would prefer to be able to play in as many weekly tournaments as possible.I know there are reasons why you chose to have your tounaent on the same night as the long running tourney at Malarky.s.Some might assume that your reasons are devious others would say it doesnt matter that the only two 9'tournaments are at the same time.I think that whatever the reasons for this it is rediculous and doesnt benefit the pool playing public at all.

Jerry thanks for your opinion, and you have some good points, please don't get me wrong. But ridiculous it certainly is not, I think you know that I have a number of Leagues playing out of my establishment both BCA and APA which I support with the best of my ability. At the same time, I have players requesting tournaments, and like you have said my room is not as big as Malarkeys, so I have to schedule things according to the flow of my Business.

Wednesday Night is a slower night for me, I have less League traffic, and less walk-in customer traffic so I can use more tables for the tournament. This is also why I have a tournament on Sunday starting at 1:30 pm because this a time when I can better support the tournament, and my business and that is where my concern lays. If I could accommodate everyone with my decisions, I would certainly try to do that, however, it is not possible. No one else has approached me concerning this issue, not other players, not the owners of Malarkeys, only your friend has made any comment on my decision. Is she doing this for the Players, if so she should also support the Local BCA, which she doesn't, for whatever reason. She has chosen to use a franchise from another state to qualify herself and her small group for the Nationals. Is she thinking about the players or she doing this for her own selfish reasons?, again I have no idea, and I don't really care.

I think you have missed the boat here Craig.One can never tell what truly motivates another.There may be resentments,envy,paranoia or other delusion thoughts in a person who appears to be acting rationally.My personal feeling is that Andrea's main motivation is the good of pool.Yes she has ties to Malarkey's but they are not what some might assume.Andrea does not run tournaments there and has not for years.I know her as a person who like myself wishes to promote the game of pool.If this was not the case we would not be friends.

I certainly have not missed any boat here, and I do not care what motivates Andrea, that is for her and her Husband to be concerned with. I also agree she may be resentful, envious, delusional, or just paranoid, or you, her and her husband may think I am, again I do not have to answer to any of you. Your personal feeling about Andrea's motivation about pool is bias because like you have repeatedly said she is your good friend. I can respect standing up for your friends, however, Friends also tell friends when they are wrong, this is what friendship is all about. If your friendship is only based on promoting pool, and if you did not feel this was both your goals you would not be friends, what kind of friendship do you have.

In my world a friend is some one you trust with your life and with the lives of your family. In my opinion a person is lucky to have one such person as part of their lives. Everyone else is an acquaintance, and while we have feelings for these people trust can only be gained by actions over a long period of time, and then maybe freindship will follow.

Craig you seam like a stand up guy and I hope you are capable of apologizing as well.

Yes your tables are in fine shape and your room is well run.Malarkey's is a bit more of a bar atmosphere and the GC are in rough shape right now.

As a pool player I would prefer to be able to play in as many weekly tournaments as possible.I know there are reasons why you chose to have your tounaent on the same night as the long running tourney at Malarky.s.Some might assume that your reasons are devious others would say it doesn't matter that the only two tournaments are at the same time.I think that whatever the reasons for this it is rediculous and doesnt benefit the pool playing public at all.[/


No one is a stand-up guy to everyone, some people just do not get along, and friction is the result. I am like everyone else, I have my critics, and I have those who think I am a stand up guy. However, I do not have time in any given day to worry about things this trivial, I treat people equally, if they return the respect they are given fine, if not they reap what they have sown. My business has not flourished because I treat my customers badly, it has flourished because I put my energy and my personal time into all I do. I support kids, I support families, I provide a safe clean environment in my community, and I support those who support my business, without reservation. You certainly have the right to believe what you want to, we will just have to agree to disagree on this topic.

Take Care Jerry
 
1pRoscoe said:
Well being as how not many people here understand that "Milo" (your wife) is highly biased towards City Lights/Malarkey's and that there is only one other pool hall within any distance of significance that just so happens to be owned by Manwon (Craig), I think that this needs to be brought to light.

The issue is NOT a pool hall, the issue IS Wed night tournaments. Lattitued 84 runs a Wed night tourney as well.

Craigs place is not the only place to play in town. There are hundreds of tables spread around. So for him to be the only place is far from accurate.

The Right Spot ( 4 bar boxes 1 nine footer)
Schooner (two bar boxes)
Maggie o Tools (four bar boxes)
Black Star (three bar boxes)
The Spar (1 bar box)
The Swiss (6 tables)
Lattitude 84 (2 or 3 barboxes I think)
and countless others....

What if I told you that she asked me to change the tourney and I wouldn't go for it? What could you say then? I don't see it as a bait for Craig, I see it as a request for more information so that maybe I'll change my mind.

Clark - Malarkeys owner
 
Malarkeys said:
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Now as for my tournament Director, we both know the issue there, the gentleman is Handicapped and yes he has some problems with calling people at inopportune times.

We may be talking about two different people but I never knew he was handicapped. I have NEVER seen him exhibit any physical disabilities and on several different occasions, he has been capable of carrying on a conversation that requires thought. The gentleman in question has gone beyond the point of merely being a pest. If I tell someone not to call and he decides to call 7 or more times after that, it?s phone harassment and in some states, it is classified as a felony. Now, I personally have never seen a felony that was harmless. How it harms my business is that it wastes my employees? time and also my time. We have disallowed him in our establishment due to some serious behavior problems I refuse to divulge and post in a public forum. Granted, the behavior that looks ?harmless? now is only the very beginning contact patterns of a stalker. That is the opinion of a professional criminal profiler.

But he was doing this long before I hired him to work for me part time.

Undeniably, this behavior of his is not at your directive. However, once an employer hires an employee the employer assumes some kind of responsibility for disciplining or curbing behavior. Call me crazy but calling players away from another tournament (which really doesn?t work) vs. calling league players away from another location (which really doesn?t work) is pretty much the same thing.

Andrea knows loud and clear that it is not my style to go trolling in waters for fish that are spoken for. In other words, she knows making phone calls to league players from other establishments to play in my establishment is not permitted. I am more inclined to believe that it really is not the case and more likely it is another case of somebody trying to blacken the reputation of Andrea. People have a funny way of talking without realizing who is over their shoulder. In either instance true or not, do I think there was any damage done? I didn?t see league players flocking from your place and I sure didn?t see tournament players flocking from my place. When you opened your place did I see players go? Sure I did. Did I see some come back? Sure I did. Did I see some teams disappear? Sure I did. Did some come from the Schooner? Sure they did. Did new teams form with players that have not played before, sure they did. Such is life when you pay that wonderful fee for a business license.

There are circumstances where Andrea has had phone numbers for players that have previously played from our in house leagues. Lord knows that we have had TONS of them throughout the years. Many of these in-house leagues existed before I managed City Lights, before I owned Malarkeys, before you had your pool room and before Doug had his league. IMO, she is perfectly entitled to call those players to see if they want to play in the in-house. However, I think she is smart enough only to call them once and then have a good enough impression whether or not to ever call them again.

What do you think, that none of this was directed at me, if you do Larry your deluded.

How do you know it was not directed at me? It is very possible that she has approached me about changing the night of the Wed night tourney and I told her no friggin? way.

There is nothing wrong with asking questions or for opinions, but a one sided conversation that only brings out selected facts is not the answer either. So please answer the following questions:

1. Do you and your wife get perks for promoting malarkeys - Like free pool time and other things?


No they do not. Larry pays for his pool time and full price for meals. Andrea receives employee benefits for a variety of reasons but far from the promotional department of Malarkeys. I have a completely different ?street team? that takes care of that.

2. Does your wife run tournaments at Malarkeys?

Steven is our tournament director. He is compensated accordingly for it. Andrea does not run tournaments at Malarkeys. However, if I asked her to she will gladly fill in for Steve in his absence even though she REALLY does not want to run those tournaments anymore.

3. Has your wife, who only doing this Pool disrupted the Local BCA pool league, and went around the existing league operator so that her and her very small group can get qualified for the Nations. Is this for the good of pool she seeks, or is it a personal choice based upon something else

I am REALLY surprised you took this side of the fence considering a phone conversation we had about in-house leagues. There is HUGE controversy over this in house that we have and frankly, it makes me want to throw up considering the opinions of the people who mistakenly represent they are promoting pool.

I am going to clear up some myths. Many of the players that are in this in house league really do not want to travel (the very reason our little joint venture didn?t work out.) Some of the other players that play in this league do so merely because it is available. Some players play as a courtesy to the other players just so they can have the minimum number to pull it off. Other players do so because they can play with their friends. And some do it because they can?t stand Doug and the way he runs things. But the number ONE reason this league exists is because I (ME CLARK SMITH) told Andrea to get it started because I felt there was enough CUSTOMER CONCERN. Doug has never decided to approach the issue with me. Nobody else has decided to except for you, Craig, because you were addressing some of the concerns on behalf of yourself and your customers and also you were trying to get something similar started. You were perfectly aware of whose charter it was.

Have I ever asked a team captain why they play out of your location? Bet your butt I have. I have while they were in my location and I accepted his answer without a problem. I will tell you that person was Billy C. Now was I trying to bait him away? I didn?t pitch him a thing. He cracks me up and we have a lot of fun when we are around each other, but I respect that he wants to play out of your place. What the information does, is it provides me with ingredients to be able to build a better place. Craig, I don?t just ask about your place either. I want to know why people play at the Right Spot, Black Star, the Schooner and plenty of other places. You are not my only competition, but I really don?t view you as that either.

At this point, for whatever it is worth, I will address my viewpoint on the two Wednesday night tournaments. I guess everybody has forgotten about the Wed night tournament over at Latitude 84? Here is what I think about OUR wed night tourneys. I think that if you add the players from yours, and I add the players from mine, the total is larger than if only one or the other existed. For the record, I don?t have a problem with any another Wed night tournament. I don?t think my business partner has a problem with it either. Somehow, I wonder how this has been manipulated into how I have this big problem, or my partner has this big problem or there is this big problem with the tournament on wed night or Malarkeys has a problem. I think it is good for the game and let the players have a choice.

I am not going to violate a confidence between myself and anyone else, like I said those teams choose to move to my room without my insistence do to the Nonsense created with the BCA. Larry as far, having the facts straight, they are straight?

I think a lot of the facts are well beyond jaded. Am I sticking up for Larry and Andrea? No, not really. Seems I was dragged into this to help identify what is true and what is not. Do I think there was any maliciousness in Andrea?s post? No. Do I think it was a dumb question? I could show you a thousand that are worse in usenet. I think it does pose a valid request for information?.

Do the players want multiple tournaments on a night? What do they want out of these tournaments? Do they want to play top players? Do they want profitability? Benefits? What?

Far as you and I Craig? There was not a problem and if there was you know I would be on the phone to you. I only hope you would do the same.

Peace out G!
Clark ? Malarkeys owner




I am REALLY surprised you took this side of the fence considering a phone conversation we had about in-house leagues. There is HUGE controversy over this in house that we have and frankly, it makes me want to throw up considering the opinions of the people who mistakenly represent they are promoting pool.

I am going to clear up some myths. Many of the players that are in this in house league really do not want to travel (the very reason our little joint venture didn?t work out.) Some of the other players that play in this league do so merely because it is available. Some players play as a courtesy to the other players just so they can have the minimum number to pull it off. Other players do so because they can play with their friends. And some do it because they can?t stand Doug and the way he runs things. But the number ONE reason this league exists is because I (ME CLARK SMITH) told Andrea to get it started because I felt there was enough CUSTOMER CONCERN. Doug has never decided to approach the issue with me. Nobody else has decided to except for you, Craig, because you were addressing some of the concerns on behalf of yourself and your customers and also you were trying to get something similar started. You were perfectly aware of whose charter it was.



We certainly did discuss this very issue, and after talking with my Teams, ( who wanted no part of it) and giving it some additional consideration I did not think it was good for the players in general or for the sport locally. It takes people away form the standard league format and reduces the pay outs for league players. Last, I think that it is a conflict of interest to support a League Franchise in another state, and not support our local League operators.


At this point, for whatever it is worth, I will address my viewpoint on the two Wednesday night tournaments. I guess everybody has forgotten about the Wed night tournament over at Latitude 84? Here is what I think about OUR wed night tourneys. I think that if you add the players from yours, and I add the players from mine, the total is larger than if only one or the other existed. For the record, I don?t have a problem with any another Wed night tournament. I don?t think my business partner has a problem with it either. Somehow, I wonder how this has been manipulated into how I have this big problem, or my partner has this big problem or there is this big problem with the tournament on wed night or Malarkeys has a problem. I think it is good for the game and let the players have a choice.

The only person manipulating anything is Andrea, go back and read my Posts, I clearly said from the start that this was not the place or air any of this. I also stated very very clearly that Andrea was not the person who could deal with it any way. The people should have been talking were the room owners, privately without an audience. We are the only ones who need to be involved in any of this, but I could be wrong, you may let Andrea do your talking for you, I really do not know. All I can say for sure is that the only person who's word is any good to me is your and or your partners, not a third party. We have had no problem communicating in the past, so what is the problem now? If you needed something you called me, if I needed something I would call you, so how does Andrea play into this?

Last, I will send you a privte Pm concerning the Disability I am speaking of.

Take care Clark, it is easyer to talk than to type!!!!!!
 
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