Why is it always green felt with blue chalk?

Railbird Hero said:
In MY experience I have found a lot of the colored chalks are horrible. Red and black being the worst. They seem to turn into powder easier and stain the ferrule while making colored dust for you to get all over your hands and clothes. The blue chalk has a stiffer consistency which makes it easier to keep just the tip chalked. Personally I use the Grey Master Chalk. No messy dust, stays on tip without getting that buildup on the edges or into/around any grooves you have made with your tip tool. Maybe Im wrong. Then again I know girls who have bought chalk to match the shade of fingernail polish they bought that day!!!

See...now this...I have to agree with. Red chalk...is absolutely RIDICULOUS when it comes to the amount of dust it creates. My friends play at my house...and their bridge hand looks like it just came out of some guy's chest cavity during open heart surgery by the time they're done. I don't know why but...it's horrendus.
 
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Retail1LO said:
See...now this...I have to agree with. Red chalk...is absolutely RIDICULOUS when it comes to the amount of dust it creates. My friends play at my house...and their bridge hand looks like it just came out of some guy's chest cavity during open heart surgery by the time they're done. I don't know why but...it's horrendus.

imho
red masters on a clean red cloth is no more dirty than blue masters on clean green cloth.... how would a dye color affect the amount of dust created?
maybe red just looks worse

viva masters chalk!
 
Island Drive said:
I prefer birch trees with the the white bark when I play golf, the contrast between the fairway and the out of bounds is more noticeable and if a divot sticks on a tree trunk its easier to find.

If you want to know where the out-of-bounds is, just watch my ball...

If you're looking for the fairway, it'll be the farthest thing from my ball...
 
Retail1LO said:
See...now this...I have to agree with. Red chalk...is absolutely RIDICULOUS when it comes to the amount of dust it creates. My friends play at my house...and their bridge hand looks like it just came out of some guy's chest cavity during open heart surgery by the time they're done. I don't know why but...it's horrendus.


LOL, thats why you dont get red felt, but their are plenty of colors out there that would look fantastic. The light blue on the tounament tables looks a heck of a lot better than green. Green sucks, it makes the table look cheap.
 
And the facts are ---

Blue is for the TV camera not for the eyes. That is one reason that blue should not be used.

"Yup, people’s eyes respond differently to light of different colors, both in the focusing and in the retina. The retina has four kinds of light-sensitive cells -- "rods", and three kinds of "cones" (names given because of the cell’s shapes). Some cones are most sensitive in the red end of the visual spectrum, others in the middle (green), and the third type is more sensitive to the blue end of the visual spectrum. The rods do not distinguish colors. Cones are concentrated near the fovea, a very dense and sensitive part of the retina located along the axis of the lens. Other parts of the retina give us our peripheral vision, while the fovea gets the image of what we are looking straight at. Most cones are concetrated near the fovea, while the rods are spread out away from the fovea.

The blue-sensitive cones are the least numerous, and are also spread out away from the fovea. This is one reason why it is harder to get a sharp visual impression of something blue than something of other colors.

The focusing of the eye is accomplished by the aqueous and vitreous humors, and the lens. These share a property with prisms, in that they split light into its various color components. So it is impossible to focus simultaneously on a red light and a nearby blue light. I personally have a harder time bringing a small, bright blue light into focus with my eyes, particlarly if there are lights of other colors around.

I never noticed this before blue LED’s came out just a few years back, because I’d never had the occasion to look at small blue lights (the sky is blue but is very diffuse and broad, so there’s no reason to focus on it). Sometimes, illuminated blue signs on restaurants or stores are hard to read from a distance when you’re driving down a road.

The Physics Van!, 2007 Department of Physics, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, http://van.physics.uiuc.edu

And why should we use green

“As mentioned previously, cones are composed of three different photo pigments that enable color perception. This curve peaks at 555 nanometers, which means that under normal lighting conditions, the eye is most sensitive to a yellowish-green color.”

http://www.ndt-ed.org/EducationReso.../PenetrantTest/Introduction/lightresponse.htm

Therefore, the balls will stand out best against a green background. Sometimes tradition gets it right.
 
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555 nanometers looks like somewhere between a lemon and a lime
i've never seen this color green on a table
i thought we were talking about the green that's almost the
same color as the six ball.
the "tournament blue" seems to make all the balls *pop*
but then so does the tan
hmmm... maybe lemon lime is next
who knows!
 
Give me a title, STAT!!...

JoeW said:
Blue is for the TV camera not for the eyes. That is one reason that blue should not be used.

"Yup, people’s eyes respond differently to light of different colors, both in the focusing and in the retina. The retina has four kinds of light-sensitive cells -- "rods", and three kinds of "cones" (names given because of the cell’s shapes). Some cones are most sensitive in the red end of the visual spectrum, others in the middle (green), and the third type is more sensitive to the blue end of the visual spectrum. The rods do not distinguish colors. Cones are concentrated near the fovea, a very dense and sensitive part of the retina located along the axis of the lens. Other parts of the retina give us our peripheral vision, while the fovea gets the image of what we are looking straight at. Most cones are concetrated near the fovea, while the rods are spread out away from the fovea.

The blue-sensitive cones are the least numerous, and are also spread out away from the fovea. This is one reason why it is harder to get a sharp visual impression of something blue than something of other colors.

The focusing of the eye is accomplished by the aqueous and vitreous humors, and the lens. These share a property with prisms, in that they split light into its various color components. So it is impossible to focus simultaneously on a red light and a nearby blue light. I personally have a harder time bringing a small, bright blue light into focus with my eyes, particlarly if there are lights of other colors around.

I never noticed this before blue LED’s came out just a few years back, because I’d never had the occasion to look at small blue lights (the sky is blue but is very diffuse and broad, so there’s no reason to focus on it). Sometimes, illuminated blue signs on restaurants or stores are hard to read from a distance when you’re driving down a road.

The Physics Van!, 2007 Department of Physics, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, http://van.physics.uiuc.edu

And why should we use green

“As mentioned previously, cones are composed of three different photo pigments that enable color perception. This curve peaks at 555 nanometers, which means that under normal lighting conditions, the eye is most sensitive to a yellowish-green color.”

http://www.ndt-ed.org/EducationReso.../PenetrantTest/Introduction/lightresponse.htm

Therefore, the balls will stand out best against a green background. Sometimes tradition gets it right.

Henceforth, ye shall be known as "Dr. JoeW" ;)
 
perfect

what's prettier than this?
diamond_equipment.jpg



:D
 
Coopdeville is right and the traditional green is actually a blue / green. I would guess that either would be reasonably acceptable. From a psych standpoint


Colors have psychological and physiological effects on people. Here are some moods colors are associated with in the United States. 1

Blue can be cool, subduing, melancholy, contemplative, sober. It has been associated with cold, sky, water, ice.

Red can be passionate, exciting, fervid, active. It has been associated with heat, fire, blood.

Green can be quieting, refreshing, peaceful; but in a different context it can denote illness or guilt. It is often associated with nature.

Purple can be dignified, pompous, mournful, mystic. It has been associated with cool, mist, darkness, shadow.

Yellow can be cheerful, inspiring, vital, celestial, denoting high spirit and health. It is associated with sunlight.

Black can be funereal, ominous, deadly, depressing. It has been associated with night, emptiness.

1. Faber Birren. Color Psychology and Color Therapy: A Factual Study of the Influence of Color on Human Life.
New York. McGraw-Hill Book Company, Inc.

Source:
http://www.ibiblio.org/hmake/color/color_perceptions.html

So cloth selection to some extent depends on the mood one wants to create

BTW Str8PoolMan, I am a psychologist and a retired professor. My students and my patients often called me Dr. Joe but I discouraged it as a Ph.D. means little, especially when it come to that wonderful green battlefield :)

From my prior work in forensic psychology, all pool tables should be a rose color. It has been found that this color reduces one's ability to be physically aggressive. Some police departments and jails actually had rose colored rooms to assist with controlling inmates.
 
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i'm all about it

JoeW said:
From my prior work in forensic psychology, all pool tables should be a rose color. It has been found that this color reduces one's ability to be physically aggressive. Some police departments and jails actually had rose colored rooms to assist with controlling inmates.

rose cloth would encourage more women to play
 
what's prettier than this?

This?

sportytable.jpg


I think what's pleasant to look at and what's pleasant to play on are different things... how well the table makes the balls and shadows show up, and how well it holds up when smeared with chalk all make a difference. If I didn't care about that stuff and I had a pool hall, I'd mix'n'match a bunch of pretty colors. I think that lemon-lime color sounds interesting because it would be both the highest contrast and an original, never-before-used color.

By the way, that's a beautiful pic. I assume it's from a diamond catalogue or something. Whoever is doing their photography is earning his pay.
 
psykoyow said:
I use blue Masters. Silver cup's aiight, I was just pokin. Though, it gives me chills to see people using wal-mart chalk, for sure. Lonely? Yep. But, no pedostal, just soapboxes. ;)


i had some wal-mart chalk once it was more like a tip tool than chalk,

silver cup blows how do they stay in business, Masters is the only chalk, but here in Germany the Masters is seconds-I'm sure of that, it all has a gray tint to it and is powdery, I have mine in my case and compaired them side by side, and the color is off and the texture as well, this is everywhere in Munich.
 
I use Tweeten Triangle Blue... sticks on the tip very well.. I use to use triangle green.. the snooker stuff.... it was really fine and powdery... I went thru in kinda quick but I liked the color.

I rolled into of my regular rooms the day after the owner had every thing recoverd.. brand spanking new felt... the owner walked me over to one of the new ones (20 tables.. didnt do them all at once) and after about 3 hours with the green chalk the table was covered... looked like I was abusing some green cone hand chalk.. nasty... the owner then took all of my chalk on the spot!!!..... he gave me all new blue ones and told me never use the green on his new tables again :D....

When I get back I am planning on swithching to Silver cup...those guys are a hometown operration (Macon, GA ) so I want to support them if at all possible...
 
Why green cloth? IOW-tradition!

I'm 50 years old and the very first pool table I ever laid my eyes on had green cloth. Go to just about any pool hall, and the tables there will have green cloth, same goes for bar tables. What can I say? I like green cloth on pool tables, always have and always will.

Why blue chalk? Again, as long as I can remember, chalk has been blue! Go to most any pool hall or bar and the chalk is blue. My favorite is Master, and my second choice is Triangle--both blue of course. Why? Because the blue chalk tends to show up less on green cloth, it keeps the table looking cleaner longer. Green chalk makes the table look like a pig sty in no time at all.

Fats
 
JoeW said:
From my prior work in forensic psychology, all pool tables should be a rose color. It has been found that this color reduces one's ability to be physically aggressive. Some police departments and jails actually had rose colored rooms to assist with controlling inmates.
I can concur. A well know prison warden in an Arizona Labor Camp has started making his inmates wear PINK underwear. When I first read this article I laughed so hard I had tears. Anyway I dont have any plans on getting locked up so I wont be wearing any pink underwear anytime soon.
 
Railbird Hero said:
I can concur. A well know prison warden in an Arizona Labor Camp has started making his inmates wear PINK underwear. When I first read this article I laughed so hard I had tears. Anyway I dont have any plans on getting locked up so I wont be wearing any pink underwear anytime soon.

when i read that i thought the same thing about AZ labor camps
 
The scientific psychological explanations are great but I still stand behind my original post.

Cloth is green. Period.
Chalk is blue. Period.
No need for discussion. That's the way it always has been and that's the way it will be. Period.

Yeah... I know I'm a bit pig-headed 'bout this but what can I say. I saw my first table in about 1950. It had green cloth (never seen a felt table covering) and green it shall be. I'm just a grumpy ole fart. :D
 
When its all said and done, I agree with JimS and Fats. We all at least have sound reasoning -- I grew up with it and I like it that way.

I remember saying that I would always like rock and roll (and I always have). Then one day some guy in 1973 or so got up on a stage, wore a fox fur around his neck, makeup on one eye, jumped up and down like a little kid and screamed, "I hate you, I hate you," or something like that. Said to my wife, "That is not rock and roll," -- and it isn't to me. I still like 1950s and 1960s rock (play it all the time). Seems the next generation has to keep trying new things til the older generation can't stand it then it defines them as different from their parents.

Look where music is today. Hope that never happens in the pool room.

However, the kids often revert to things their grandparents liked and I get to see lots of pretty girls with bell bottom pants, straight hair, and their belly button exposed. Some things don't change -- yeah - lets keep it htat way.
 
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JimS said:
The scientific psychological explanations are great but I still stand behind my original post.

Cloth is green. Period.
Chalk is blue. Period.
No need for discussion. That's the way it always has been and that's the way it will be. Period.

Yeah... I know I'm a bit pig-headed 'bout this but what can I say. I saw my first table in about 1950. It had green cloth (never seen a felt table covering) and green it shall be. I'm just a grumpy ole fart. :D

You're not a grumpy ole fart. I'm 23 and I'll move into my first house on June 25th. When I save up the cash for a pool table. For damn sure it will have green felt and blue chalk. The first pool table I ever played on, was my grandfathers. It had green felt and blue chalk.
 
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