Yes, on GC rails, but the steps are the same, so yes, i show you step by step on the rails.
Why is it so difficult to install Simonis?
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Yes, on GC rails, but the steps are the same, so yes, i show you step by step on the rails.
Funny you mention him. I found him too late. I purchased my new table from a dealer, that included installation, etc. with the purchase. I'm tempted to contact him to see if he can re-work the bed cloth they have already laid. I saw some pictures of his work, and it looks perfect. If I had an option not to use the dealer, and have him install the cloth, that would have been preferred. I guess I know where to go in the future.
Right now I am just hoping they can make it right when they come back at. I'm not holding my breath though, as one of the comments was "we will remove the staples and relax the cloth to get it to look right, but it may be loose against the slate because of that" We shall see...
Thanks for all your comments.
You can always spot the Simonis cloth on streams because even in pool rooms at least half of the time you will see the stretch shadows.
Call Tim or Jamie Pluta, both do top notch work.
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I did my own Simonis 860 HR on a 9' GC III and it came out perfectly. I followed RKC's
video to the letter...no shadows, wrinkles and the weave is in perfect alignment so there are no "weave" rolloffs. The pockets are finished on the inside with fold over strips and I don't think a seasoned veteran could have done a better job than this total novice. Got to say though that I've fabric covered several airplanes as a licensed A+P mechanic. Mitch
video to the letter...no shadows, wrinkles and the weave is in perfect alignment so there are no "weave" rolloffs. The pockets are finished on the inside with fold over strips and I don't think a seasoned veteran could have done a better job than this total novice. Got to say though that I've fabric covered several airplanes as a licensed A+P mechanic. Mitch
I opened my own room 25 years ago and after the initial installation I had trouble getting table mechanics to do a credible job. So, I just started doing it myself. I made many mistakes and don't pretend to be a great mechanic but if the tables are level, the rubber in decent shape and you know how to turn a screwdriver, you can do it yourself. I use Ernesto Dominguez, from Southern California, from time to time when I need expert assistance. I have brought King Cobra out to do work on our Seniors 6x12 snooker and he's great. The problem with good mechanics is you can't get them in a timely manner. So watch the videos and just proceed little by little until you have the confidence to do the work yourself.
No stretch shadows on this GC1 bed cloth, stretched 1 3/4" wide side to side, same as the Simonis videos show how to install.
And i guess i should add that there were also NO staples used, NO spray glue either. I guess i should throw in the rest of it too, slates not mounted to the frame as its just sitting on it right now, and the slates are steel plate joined together, and theres a 26 point leveling system installed under the slate as well, in fact the slate won't even get leveled until after the rails are assembled and bolted down.
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I wonder if an Anniversary can have all going on too? Just kidding. :smile:
I'm definitely experiencing some "weave rolloff" I've never considered doing it myself, but with some of the results I've seen, I'm beginning to think I might as well try it on my own.
You're up next buddy, next week, after i finish moving to the Spokane area.
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Someone really should clean that dirty shop. Oh and beware of table mechanics that build you a perfect playing table then run the table against you on the very first game played on it...lmao!
RKC did an unbelievable job on this table and I smile every time I see it. I have a friend with a Fargo rating near 700 and he says he hasn't played on anything better.
Thanks Glen,
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Running racks is easy if you don't have to compete with how the table plays, confidants in the table helps a lot.
The crew came back out and reworked the be cloth. There approach was the following.
1. Take of rails
2. Locate dark shadow/wave and place a screw or socket where the color variation is.
3. Remove staples in-line with the marked spot to reduce tension, pull around the cloth slightly to see if the color variation changes
4. Re-staple cloth when it appears to be reduce/gone.
5. Move on to the next spot, mark with screw/socket; repeat process.
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6. Watch color variations move up and down the cloth, shaking my head at the scenario I'm witnessing.
7. Listen to the guys tell me we are trying to hit a B/B+; meaning if they can reduce the spots to a point where 80% of the table looks good, that equals success.
These guys finally call it quits on this process when we get to a "B," and say the rest of these variations disappear in the next few months as the cloth relaxes. It looks a lot better, but still has several smaller spots along the table edges.
Obviously, I am very annoyed by this process, as they should have reworked the cloth from cloth from start to finish again, the right way, without this ridiculous trial and error process. This was the best they could do, and the guy told me this is a good looking job. "He's been doing this since 1987."
Question: Will these variations reduce over time as the cloth "relaxes?" I'm thinking that it is BS, and it won't, but I thought I would ask the experts here.
1. Take of rails
2. Locate dark shadow/wave and place a screw or socket where the color variation is.
3. Remove staples in-line with the marked spot to reduce tension, pull around the cloth slightly to see if the color variation changes
4. Re-staple cloth when it appears to be reduce/gone.
5. Move on to the next spot, mark with screw/socket; repeat process.
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6. Watch color variations move up and down the cloth, shaking my head at the scenario I'm witnessing.
7. Listen to the guys tell me we are trying to hit a B/B+; meaning if they can reduce the spots to a point where 80% of the table looks good, that equals success.
These guys finally call it quits on this process when we get to a "B," and say the rest of these variations disappear in the next few months as the cloth relaxes. It looks a lot better, but still has several smaller spots along the table edges.
Obviously, I am very annoyed by this process, as they should have reworked the cloth from cloth from start to finish again, the right way, without this ridiculous trial and error process. This was the best they could do, and the guy told me this is a good looking job. "He's been doing this since 1987."
Question: Will these variations reduce over time as the cloth "relaxes?" I'm thinking that it is BS, and it won't, but I thought I would ask the experts here.
Nothing is going to make up for improperly installed cloth, except installing it right in the first place, tell them to buy the Simonis cloth installation DVDs and learn to do the job the right way.
Ps, theres no staples holding this bed cloth on, and its stretched 1 3/4" side to side with no stretch shadows as you can clearly see, and no spray glue will hold the cloth in place stretched as tight as this cloth is installed!!!
Ps, theres no staples holding this bed cloth on, and its stretched 1 3/4" side to side with no stretch shadows as you can clearly see, and no spray glue will hold the cloth in place stretched as tight as this cloth is installed!!!
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Wow! Beautiful!
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I wrote a review and sent the customer service department an email with a link to the DVDs, and suggested they watch to learn how to do it right from the start. Haven't heard anything from them, and don't really expect too.
Powder Blue 860. More than 2" of side-to-side pull. Proportionately tight end-to-end. Zero shadows. 100% indexed.
