Why Kamui?

No offense to John, but I fell into the same trap. I bought a Kamui Black medium on the strength of what others had to say about them; that they were comparable to the Moori mediums which were becoming harder and harder to find. I didn't read further because why on earth would I expect the tips to change?

When I finally bought a KB I quickly found it hits almost as hard as a Samsara. It might be defective and I can undersand that. But every Moori I've played with (the original, not the V) has been the same. My two choices are to switch to the KB soft or go back to a Moori.

While there is a good supply of them, I'm going to switch back to Mooris. I may be naive, but to me a, "medium" tip should play as hard as any other, "medium" tip out there.
 
I had Predator install a Moori the last time I sent in a shaft for some work and it was great until I tried to shape it after it began to mushroom, the darn thing fell apart. So the next day over to my local billiard shop and get a Kamui Black SS (first time), excellent choice, holds it's shape, I really like it. Just to compare I had the same shop install the Kamui Brown SS on a different shaft (also a predator shaft). I don't like it quite as well but it is also outstanding. I had heard that the Blacks are about a half degree higher on the hardness scale than the Browns, so of course we got some blacks and some browns and a durometer and the blacks were consistently 3 or 4 points harder. I think its all a matter of preference. I still know people that absolutely refuse to use anything but a LePro, you give them an OB shaft with a Kamui Black SS tip and it really jacks up their game. Personally, I've had the best luck with the Kamui Black SS, at least until the next new and improved flavor of the month comes out. As far as the Kamui chalk, I don't really care for it, but some people swear by it. It just seemed a little soft to me and kinda mushy. It didn't leave any streaks or blobs on the table, but it got all over everything else. It was like carrying a magic marker in your pocket with no cap on it. I think most of us have a sort of pre-shot routine and for a lot of that includes chalking every shot or two. You don't do that with the Kamui and like most people I'm resistant to that type of change. So I'll stick to the Blue Diamond or Magic Chalk.
 
LSU1018 said:
I am in need of a new tip and I am trying to decide between the Onyx and Kamui Soft. I have heard great things about both.
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+1 on the Onyx and Kamui black soft. Can't go wrong with either one IMO. I have the Onyx on 3 of my favorite shafts.

I found the Moori med. to not hold chalk nearly as well as these two mentioned above.

+1 on Pooldawg8's milk dud tips as well. <<<== Damn god tip.
 
zpele said:
Thanks for that info! I myself find the Kamui to be kind of hard as well. It starts out especially hard until you shape it a bit but even then I still am not that impressed.

I'm more just wondering what all the hype is about compared to the Moori?
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i don't think it's hype, i think it's just preferance. i have been using the kamui black soft tips for about a year now and i like them alot. they run a bit different on the hardness scale as opposed to some of the other tips, i have been told. in other words, if you use moori medium try a kamui black soft instead. i haven't had any problems with mushrooming and have to give it a light scuffing every 2 or 3 times i play and shape it maybe once a month, maybe a little more if i am playing alot.
i don't think there is anything wrong with moori tips either. the only bad thing i have heard was on here that they had been getting a little inconsistant from tip to tip. but i can't say that because i haven't used them.
i think it just comes down to the same thing as everything else, use what you like, not what everyone says yuo should like.
 
Ghosst said:
No offense to John, but I fell into the same trap. I bought a Kamui Black medium on the strength of what others had to say about them; that they were comparable to the Moori mediums which were becoming harder and harder to find. I didn't read further because why on earth would I expect the tips to change?

When I finally bought a KB I quickly found it hits almost as hard as a Samsara. It might be defective and I can undersand that. But every Moori I've played with (the original, not the V) has been the same. My two choices are to switch to the KB soft or go back to a Moori.

While there is a good supply of them, I'm going to switch back to Mooris. I may be naive, but to me a, "medium" tip should play as hard as any other, "medium" tip out there.
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+1 on the black med. being too hard. i have stuck with the black soft and it has done me right.
 
I have not played with a Kamui,but they do get good reviews far more good than bad.I just can't pull the trigger on a $35 tip.

I went with Talisman Water Buffalo mediums,and it's the best tip I've ever used!Grabs the cue ball nice holds shape,zero mushrooming after initial install first shape to a dime,flattens too a nickle and never shaped it again!And I'm going too be putting on my 2nd today,but I like a hard hitting tip,played my whole career with hard Triangles,tried 1 old Moori,and 1 Malavia.Didn't like either one.

I'm sold on the Talisman,going too put the hard on today

I got 4 tips and a free hand towel for $37 shipped directly from their web site,I recommend them highly

Check out my blog bellow.Will have a complete Talisman review in the next few days.Including the free B/J tip they give you.
 
theeviltwin69 said:
I have not played with a Kamui,but they do get good reviews far more good than bad.I just can't pull the trigger on a $35 tip.

I went with Talisman Water Buffalo mediums,and it's the best tip I've ever used!Grabs the cue ball nice holds shape,zero mushrooming after initial install first shape to a dime,flattens too a nickle and never shaped it again!And I'm going too be putting on my 2nd today,but I like a hard hitting tip,played my whole career with hard Triangles,tried 1 old Moori,and 1 Malavia.Didn't like either one.

I'm sold on the Talisman,going too put the hard on today

I got 4 tips and a free hand towel for $37 shipped directly from their web site,I recommend them highly

Check out my blog bellow.Will have a complete Talisman review in the next few days.Including the free B/J tip they give you.
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Oooooo rearry...
 
I think the issue with tip harness scale is that they probably use the scale in comparison to other tips in that same model range. So you have Kamiu Black SS, S, M, H, etc.. but that just means that a Kamui Black SS is softer than a S, not that a Kamui SS is the same as a Moori SS or whatever.

Much like if you go for bike frame sizes that go by name vs. number, a Small frame from one maker may be 1/2" smaller/larger than a Small from another.
 
Just had a Kamui medium put on my Josey #1 shaft. #2 shaft still has the original talisman. Haven't played with the Kamui enough yet to have an opinion. Hope I didn't mess up. Before this thread started, it seems all I would read were posts from Kamui fans.

So, I had to try one, right? :confused:
 
I just had a Kamui Black medium installed this morning. It replaced a Kamui Black soft. The soft lasted 20 months with daily play and never mushroomed.

The medium is hard. I am slightly surprised at how much different it feels than the soft.

Before Kamui, I used Moori Mediums. Three tips in a row lasted 6 months each and then de-laminated. I loved the way they feel, but I don't trust them anymore.
 
tips

kamui ss black
kamue soft black
tiger onxy
tiger sniper
moori meduims
kevin varney soaked and pressed tips.
all these tips play very good in my opinion.

I have lots of tips and my own lathe
and 4 shafts for my main player plus loaner shafts.
i compare these tips everday. customers dont always know what tip they want put on. so i let them try out kamui ss, sniper, onxy , triangle.
A lot of customers pick sniper tips.

Tip Brand Tip Size Density
Elk Master 10-14mm 66.8
Kamui Black (Super Soft) 14mm 67.5
Da Vinci (Soft) 14mm 68.7
5280 Red Line (Tiger) 14mm 69.2
Kamui Black (Soft) 14mm 72.3
Moori (Soft) 14mm 72.8
Da Vinci (Medium) 14mm 73.6
Hirano (Soft) 14mm 75.2
Moori (Medium) 14mm 75.5
Tiger Everest 14mm 75.7
Tiger Emerald 14mm 76.0
Tiger Onyx 14mm 76.4
Tiger Laminated (Soft) 14mm 76.7
Tiger Sniper 14mm 77.
Kamui II (Soft) 14mm 78.1
Tiger Laminated (Medium) 14mm 78.2
Elite 11 Layer 14mm 78.3
Kamui Black (Medium) 14mm 78.7
Moori V 14mm 79.3
Talisman Pro (Soft) 14mm 79.6
Great White 14mm 79.6
Tiger Dynamite 14mm 80.8
Tiger Laminated (Hard) 14mm 81.7
Da Vinci (Hard) 14mm 81.9
Talisman Water Buffalo (Medium) 14mm 82.0
Kamui II (Medium Soft) 14mm 82.2
Stingray 14mm 82.6
Talisman Water Buffalo (Hard) 14mm 83.2
Kamui II (Medium) 14mm 83.4
Talisman Pro (Medium) 14mm 83.5
Moori (Hard) 14mm 84.4
Talisman Pro (Hard) 14mm 84.4
Hirano (Medium) 14mm 84.8
Kamui Black (Hard) 14mm 84.8
Scorpion 14mm TBD
WB Water Buffalo 13-14mm 88.2
Talisman Pro (Extra Hard) 14mm 88.7
Hirano (Hard) 14mm 90.6
Triangle 12-14mm 91.0
Triumph 14mm 92.0
Kamui II (Hard) 14mm 92.2
Samsara Jump Break 14mm 95.5
Le Pro* 10-14mm 88.2
Tiger Jump 14mm Phenolic
Mezz Ignot 14mm Phenolic
 
Ghosst said:
No offense to John, but I fell into the same trap. I bought a Kamui Black medium on the strength of what others had to say about them; that they were comparable to the Moori mediums which were becoming harder and harder to find. I didn't read further because why on earth would I expect the tips to change?

When I finally bought a KB I quickly found it hits almost as hard as a Samsara. It might be defective and I can undersand that. But every Moori I've played with (the original, not the V) has been the same. My two choices are to switch to the KB soft or go back to a Moori.

While there is a good supply of them, I'm going to switch back to Mooris. I may be naive, but to me a, "medium" tip should play as hard as any other, "medium" tip out there.
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Ghosst:

If you don't mind my suggestion, you might want to give the Tiger Emerald a try:

http://tigerproducts.com/store/product.php?productid=16341&cat=0&bestseller=Y
EmeraldforWeb.jpg
I know, the product is advertised as Medium-hard, but trust me, the tip is Medium for sure.

If you like Moori Mediums, you'll like the Tiger Emerald -- they are just about the same density on the durometer test (see mortuarymike-nv's post #31). BTW, the green color only shows up when you scuff the tip. The sides burnish very dark -- indistinguishable from other tips.

I still have the very first Tiger Emerald I had installed on one of my players over three years ago. It's still in perfect shape.

-Sean
 
mortuarymike-nv said:
kamui ss black
kamue soft black
tiger onxy
tiger sniper
moori meduims
kevin varney soaked and pressed tips.
all these tips play very good in my opinion.

I have lots of tips and my own lathe
and 4 shafts for my main player plus loaner shafts.
i compare these tips everday. customers dont always know what tip they want put on. so i let them try out kamui ss, sniper, onxy , triangle.
A lot of customers pick sniper tips.

Tip Brand Tip Size Density
Elk Master 10-14mm 66.8
Kamui Black (Super Soft) 14mm 67.5
Da Vinci (Soft) 14mm 68.7
5280 Red Line (Tiger) 14mm 69.2
Kamui Black (Soft) 14mm 72.3
Moori (Soft) 14mm 72.8
Da Vinci (Medium) 14mm 73.6
Hirano (Soft) 14mm 75.2
Moori (Medium) 14mm 75.5
Tiger Everest 14mm 75.7
Tiger Emerald 14mm 76.0
Tiger Onyx 14mm 76.4
Tiger Laminated (Soft) 14mm 76.7
Tiger Sniper 14mm 77.
Kamui II (Soft) 14mm 78.1
Tiger Laminated (Medium) 14mm 78.2
Elite 11 Layer 14mm 78.3
Kamui Black (Medium) 14mm 78.7
Moori V 14mm 79.3
Talisman Pro (Soft) 14mm 79.6
Great White 14mm 79.6
Tiger Dynamite 14mm 80.8
Tiger Laminated (Hard) 14mm 81.7
Da Vinci (Hard) 14mm 81.9
Talisman Water Buffalo (Medium) 14mm 82.0
Kamui II (Medium Soft) 14mm 82.2
Stingray 14mm 82.6
Talisman Water Buffalo (Hard) 14mm 83.2
Kamui II (Medium) 14mm 83.4
Talisman Pro (Medium) 14mm 83.5
Moori (Hard) 14mm 84.4
Talisman Pro (Hard) 14mm 84.4
Hirano (Medium) 14mm 84.8
Kamui Black (Hard) 14mm 84.8
Scorpion 14mm TBD
WB Water Buffalo 13-14mm 88.2
Talisman Pro (Extra Hard) 14mm 88.7
Hirano (Hard) 14mm 90.6
Triangle 12-14mm 91.0
Triumph 14mm 92.0
Kamui II (Hard) 14mm 92.2
Samsara Jump Break 14mm 95.5
Le Pro* 10-14mm 88.2
Tiger Jump 14mm Phenolic
Mezz Ignot 14mm Phenolic
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Are these the numbers from Mullers web site?Because if they are and you didn't use a durometor yourself I can tell you those numbers are skewed.Just by using Hard Triangle's and comparing them too Talisman mediums
 
sfleinen said:
Ghosst:

If you don't mind my suggestion, you might want to give the Tiger Emerald a try:

I know, the product is advertised as Medium-hard, but trust me, the tip is Medium for sure.

If you like Moori Mediums, you'll like the Tiger Emerald -- they are just about the same density on the durometer test (see mortuarymike-nv's post #31). BTW, the green color only shows up when you scuff the tip. The sides burnish very dark -- indistinguishable from other tips.

I still have the very first Tiger Emerald I had installed on one of my players over three years ago. It's still in perfect shape.

-Sean
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Are you on commission?
 
Ghosst said:
No offense to John, but I fell into the same trap. I bought a Kamui Black medium on the strength of what others had to say about them; that they were comparable to the Moori mediums which were becoming harder and harder to find. I didn't read further because why on earth would I expect the tips to change?

When I finally bought a KB I quickly found it hits almost as hard as a Samsara. It might be defective and I can undersand that. But every Moori I've played with (the original, not the V) has been the same. My two choices are to switch to the KB soft or go back to a Moori.

While there is a good supply of them, I'm going to switch back to Mooris. I may be naive, but to me a, "medium" tip should play as hard as any other, "medium" tip out there.
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If you want a great medium hit I suggest the Talisman Water Buffalo Med.I have one on now and it's a great tip that you can't go wrong ordering directly from them;3 tips a free B/J tip and a monogramed hand towel....$37 shipped...cant beat it.as far as play went the medium is just slightly softer than the hardest Triangle of a box.This is straight from Paul Fannelis shop.Seriously give them a try you will not be disappointed.You cant go wrong with this price and I love these tips.The best layered tip I've ever tried .

I have a blog and in the next two days I'll giving my review of Talisman tips including the B/J tip check it out if you'd like.
 
hardness chart

theeviltwin69 said:
Are these the numbers from Mullers web site?Because if they are and you didn't use a durometor yourself I can tell you those numbers are skewed.Just by using Hard Triangle's and comparing them too Talisman mediums
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This list is from pool dawg if i remember right .
Not to argure with anyone but I dont know why pooldawg would half ass a tip hardness chart .
But by no means do I wish to post somthing that is not true .
http://www.pooldawg.com/article/pooldawg-library/the-ultimate-pool-cue-tip-guide
MMike
 
I wasn't implying that,I know you would only post the truth

But if you compare hardness charts like Pooldawg too Mullers there are discrepancy in them.
 
theeviltwin69 said:
I have not played with a Kamui,but they do get good reviews far more good than bad.I just can't pull the trigger on a $35 tip.

I went with Talisman Water Buffalo mediums,and it's the best tip I've ever used!Grabs the cue ball nice holds shape,zero mushrooming after initial install first shape to a dime,flattens too a nickle and never shaped it again!And I'm going too be putting on my 2nd today,but I like a hard hitting tip,played my whole career with hard Triangles,tried 1 old Moori,and 1 Malavia.Didn't like either one.

I'm sold on the Talisman,going too put the hard on today

I got 4 tips and a free hand towel for $37 shipped directly from their web site,I recommend them highly

Check out my blog bellow.Will have a complete Talisman review in the next few days.Including the free B/J tip they give you.
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I get kamui blacks for around 14.00 at Nick Varners site. I have never seen them for 35.00. You can get them on e-bay for 20.00.
 
I played for 2 yrs with a kamui super soft, and never had the tip to mushroom, never had to do anything to the tip. I had a soft put on a couple of months ago because thats what I had on hand and there is a big difference. Its to hard for me, and I will be taking it off and having a super soft put on again.
 
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