Why no ASH Jump or Jump / Break

dirtypool40

dirtypool40

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Ash is lighter and stiffer than maple. They've made snooker cues of ash for years. Why don't we see some great stiff break cues and jumpers out of Ash?

Sub questions:

Could I make a regular shaft of ash, and use a radial pin? Would I be better off with a glued in insert?

Also, what sort of ash would be ideal for this project? I see baseball bat blanks online cheap enough to try.

I also see some gorgeous Black ash burl. Is that still light and stiff?
 
deep said:
I believe Mezz make a jump cue with a ash shaft.
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xbreaker also made a jump cue with ash shaft. And there is Taiwanese seller on eBay selling Ash break cue (can't remember if it's j/b or not).
 
dirtypool40 said:
Ash is lighter and stiffer than maple. They've made snooker cues of ash for years. Why don't we see some great stiff break cues and jumpers out of Ash?

Sub questions:

Could I make a regular shaft of ash, and use a radial pin? Would I be better off with a glued in insert?

Also, what sort of ash would be ideal for this project? I see baseball bat blanks online cheap enough to try.

I also see some gorgeous Black ash burl. Is that still light and stiff?
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I am not convinced a light shaft on a jump cue is a good thing. I have a Predator Air that is lighter than most of the other jump cues I have used and at least for me it does not jump as well. I prefer Bryan Fishers traditional wood jump cues quite a bit more. Maybe because of the weight distribution, just seems to work better.

I played with X-Breaker ash jump cue in VF 2 years ago and it was alright. Just a jump cue.

I cant believe the IPSC guy is looking for new or different materials to try and improve performance :D Hope you find something that works well for you.
 
JCIN said:
I am not convinced a light shaft on a jump cue is a good thing. I have a Predator Air that is lighter than most of the other jump cues I have used and at least for me it does not jump as well. I prefer Bryan Fishers traditional wood jump cues quite a bit more. Maybe because of the weight distribution, just seems to work better.

I played with X-Breaker ash jump cue in VF 2 years ago and it was alright. Just a jump cue.

I cant believe the IPSC guy is looking for new or different materials to try and improve performance :D Hope you find something that works well for you.
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I agree , I prefer more of the weight in the shaft on a jump cue.
 
JCIN said:
I cant believe the IPSC guy is looking for new or different materials to try and improve performance :D Hope you find something that works well for you.
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Yeah but over here, I'm not a GM, I'm a new C shooter asking all those basic "why / why not" questions.



OK, refinement of the question. I jump better with a dedicated, lighter jump cue than a heavy Jump/Break. I don't want something silly like the jester, I want stiff and light with control.

What about a two piece ash jump BUTT on a normal stiff, maple shaft?
 
dirtypool40 said:
Ash is lighter and stiffer than maple. They've made snooker cues of ash for years. Why don't we see some great stiff break cues and jumpers out of Ash?

Sub questions:

Could I make a regular shaft of ash, and use a radial pin? Would I be better off with a glued in insert?

Also, what sort of ash would be ideal for this project? I see baseball bat blanks online cheap enough to try.

I also see some gorgeous Black ash burl. Is that still light and stiff?
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Hi,
just for your information, the taiwanese has started making jump cues with ashwood shafts for at least 5 years ago.
If I am not mistaken, Yang Ching Shun is using one at the moment.

as for where to get them, you might want to look around on the internet for some.
 
I actually bought one of the XJumpers on e-bay a few months ago. I've been using just the ash shaft with my XBreaker on and off. After breaking with it I need to flatten the tip a little to use it as a break shaft. I haven't really had an opportunity to break a lot with it after reshaping the tip. I will say though it works great on the XBreaker with the few jump shots I've had to play.
 
I have made severial cues with Ash shafts and Ash butts.

The Ash shaft might be stiffer but they are lighter and the grain just dont look as good as Maple. Also it takes a lot to seal the grain in Ash wood (as does Purpleheart) and most players prefer bare wood to finished or sealed wood for a shaft.

I think J&J also made some Ash wood butts with Maple shafts.
 
I always thought ash was heavier and stiffer than maple.

Anyone done any research? and care to share?

I personally do not like heavy jump cue. The reason why jump cue was made shorter is to reduce weight. The best jump cue I tried and owned is a Bryan Fisher jump cue, all maple with g10 pin.
 
I have always used a wood J/B cue, but was amazed how easy it was to get up and over with the really light and stiff Predator.

<No, I don't drink the Predator Koolaid, I just got a deal on one and needed a jump cue>

Anyway, I am looking at experiment options, I feel my Omen with 18" heavy jump butt is too heavy (for me) on all but the long low angle jump shots.


I like the idea of a dedicated jumper, three piece, a little heavier than the Pred, but not as heavy as maple, but still made of wood. I'm going to order some baseball bat blanks and get Harry to whip something up for me.
 
dirtypool40 said:
Anyway, I am looking at experiment options
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That's the key right there. Jump cues are unique in that they show performances differences to the user like no other cue in Pool.

I'm currently using a $75 Lacasi JC (L-2000?) that out jumped in both ease and control the Air Jump I had before it but I know a few with Air jumps that can't get a ball off the table with anything else.

Try em all if you can. :)
 
I bought some 1.25" x 1.25" x 30" ash squares.

I will try to get a dedicated break cue built and a shaft to experiment with.

I'm not a monster, but I have a respectable break. I'll try to destroy the thing for sure.

I'll report back.
 
I have the mezz jc/p jump cue with ash shaft.

It is one of the best jump cues i have used till date.They have a nice solid feeling and very consitent jumps
 
Well, a year later, and things are coming together...

will have a report on:

Ash Shaft

Ash Break cue

Ash dedicated jump cue


"soon"???
 
ash shafts

My son lives in Shreveport La and some guy over there Not Billy Schick, made him an ash shaft for his cue. It hit the balls very good but I could
not get over the grain it was so rough you thought you might get a splinter even with it having a good finish. I think if you sealed up the grain and then slicked up the shaft really well it would work fine and feel fine.
Just my two pennies.
Being a knifemaker not a cue maker should tell me I don't know what I am talking about but!
 
dirtypool40 said:
Ash is lighter and stiffer than maple. They've made snooker cues of ash for years. Why don't we see some great stiff break cues and jumpers out of Ash?

Sub questions:

Could I make a regular shaft of ash, and use a radial pin? Would I be better off with a glued in insert?

Also, what sort of ash would be ideal for this project? I see baseball bat blanks online cheap enough to try.

I also see some gorgeous Black ash burl. Is that still light and stiff?
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There are many companies who make ash jump cues and some break cues with ash shafts. I see them all the time when I am in the pool rooms in Taiwan, Japan, and China. Have never seen one in the USA though.
 
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icem3n said:
I always thought ash was heavier and stiffer than maple.

Anyone done any research? and care to share?

I personally do not like heavy jump cue. The reason why jump cue was made shorter is to reduce weight. The best jump cue I tried and owned is a Bryan Fisher jump cue, all maple with g10 pin.
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Ash does not have the resistance to end grain compression that rock maple does. This is why the majority of good playing/ sounding shafts are solid rock maple. Now as far as resistance to lateral pressure / side grain impact ash is superior. Rock maple is also stiffer than Ash.
 
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