Why no removable ferrules?

AuntyDan

AuntyDan

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Thanks to very informative Hall Of Fame page on the International Cue Maker's website (Thank's Jack!) I learned that Frank Paradise used to make shafts with threaded ferrules but did not glue them in place, so player's could change out the entire ferrule and tip assembly.

Seems like a great idea to me, so why is this no longer done today? Does it lead to feel problems like those awful screw-in tips used on some cheap cues?
 
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screw on ferrules

CLICK...The ferrules referred to used a metal screw, and without glue, they went "CLICK" every shot. Most players are attuned to the sound that a cue makes, and would not like that "CLICK".

paul
 
paul fanelli said:
CLICK...The ferrules referred to used a metal screw, and without glue, they went "CLICK" every shot. Most players are attuned to the sound that a cue makes, and would not like that "CLICK".

paul
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Wouldn't metal threads at the ferrule end, be looked down upon, in this low squirt world in which we are living? ;) I think I heard 5/16-18 steel used to be used by some, Spain for one. Maybe G10 would work, I wonder if it would "click"?

Tracy
 
RSB-Refugee said:
Wouldn't metal threads at the ferrule end, be looked down upon, in this low squirt world in which we are living? ;) I think I heard 5/16-18 steel used to be used by some, Spain for one. Maybe G10 would work, I wonder if it would "click"?

Tracy
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It would click b/c it will have air gaps, I would think.
 
It wouldn't if it were threaded really tight.
And you kept a pair of pliers in your case :p
:D
:rolleyes:
 
THere is a guy out on the west coast that makes a system that has the ferrule screw on and off. It is really precision made and fairly expensive. He claims is hits just like a glued on one. I think they are called Weathered. Look in Atlas couple year old catalog for them.
Chris
www.hightowercues.com
www.internationalcuemakers.com
 
> I met a guy once that when replacing a ferrule,cut the entire tenon off,drilled and tapped 5/16-18 threads,and used a 3/4 inch titanium screw to attach the new ferrule to. I asked how that would affect playability,and he said it wouldn't,because it wasn't enough weight difference to matter. Think about the amount of wood that had to come out of that hole,and compare its weight to that screw he uses,and draw your own conclusions. In these days of anti-squirt/deflection mania,for many that will not fly. On the other hand,theoretically a G-10 tenon would be a kickass idea,my only concern is whether or not it can be single-point threaded,every G-10 joint pin I have ever seen has been an Acme variant,and if you look real close at one,the threads aren't super clean,it might be a hard material to thread and get a nice fit. If I'm not mistaken,it takes special carbide/diamond/ceramic tooling to even cut it. Tommy D.
 
Tommy-D said:
> I met a guy once that when replacing a ferrule,cut the entire tenon off,drilled and tapped 5/16-18 threads,and used a 3/4 inch titanium screw to attach the new ferrule to. I asked how that would affect playability,and he said it wouldn't,because it wasn't enough weight difference to matter. Think about the amount of wood that had to come out of that hole,and compare its weight to that screw he uses,and draw your own conclusions. In these days of anti-squirt/deflection mania,for many that will not fly. On the other hand,theoretically a G-10 tenon would be a kickass idea,my only concern is whether or not it can be single-point threaded,every G-10 joint pin I have ever seen has been an Acme variant,and if you look real close at one,the threads aren't super clean,it might be a hard material to thread and get a nice fit. If I'm not mistaken,it takes special carbide/diamond/ceramic tooling to even cut it. Tommy D.
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Whoever did that should replace the customers shaft. I have done ferrules for some of the Paradise cues, I have not had a problem yet. Viking system is simular but they do glue it. I think in todays age of pool and it's popularity, A more stable fit and application is definately a better way to go. I have been a good student of why the old masters did certain things but today there are many more variables that we cuemakers must face.
Playability always first.
Then we have because there are more cuemakers today than yesterday.
The tinkers,
The wanna bees,
The would have, should have, could have, but didn't.
And my favorite,
The just plain didn't know but tried it anyway.
So everything needs to be as permanant as possible.
 
AuntyDan said:
Thanks to very informative Hall Of Fame page on the International Cue Maker's website (Thank's Jack!) I learned that Frank Paradise used to make shafts with threaded ferrules but did not glue them in place, so player's could change out the entire ferrule and tip assembly.

Seems like a great idea to me, so why is this no longer done today? Does it lead to feel problems like those awful screw-in tips used on some cheap cues?
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Because pool players would take out their brain and f :D :D k with it if they could.
 
Hmmm...
But what if you could???

Hmmmm......

:D

Jon~*~ grabs hack saw and vise~*~
 
AuntyDan said:
,,,,, Frank Paradise used to make shafts with threaded ferrules but did not glue them in place, so player's could change out the entire ferrule and tip assembly.
Seems like a great idea to me, so why is this no longer done today? Does it lead to feel problems like those awful screw-in tips used on some cheap cues?
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definitely, the feel is a problem, the 'clink' noise bugs me, but from my background, it just "ain't" feasible,,,each screw-on ferrule would have to be matched to its shaft, 'cause every shaft is not exactly the same size, every tenon is not exactly in the center of the shaft,,,too many variables to match up, even with today's wonderful marvels (cnc, etc.),,,

don't want to get into an engineering flame/discussion, so my simple explanation is : if somebody bought 10 wal-mart el-cheapo sticks with screw-in tips, odds are unbelievably high that none of the tips would match up on the other 9 cues,,,then buy some peplacement tips from wal-mart; 'bout a million to one they they will match up to anything, anywhere (have to be cut in a lathe, etc. to fit the ferrule)

now think about all the production cues, both low and higher priced, the cost of fitting a screw-on ferrule would be prohibitive,,,just buy another shaft,,,,,,IMHO
 
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