Why not Pinegar?

[jokrswylde]

I think it is a real road block to getting, or even trying for, MC points when you can stay relatively local and make more money. An extreme example is Fedor last year....staying in the states, playing regional tourneys, bar box tourneys, and money matches and he made more than most, if not all, the folks traveling internationally to the big MR tourneys.

Now, I am not putting Hennessee in the same tier as Gorst, but a guy like him could very well play a money match in Louisiana for 10-20k, travel to Birmingham and cash in a barbox tourney with a 75k calcutta, head up the road to huntsville for similar action/tourney, and so on. Wouldn't be hard to imagine someone with his skills scratching out even 5-10k a month, off the books.

Might be hard to convince a guy like that to travel internationally, play against a murderer's row every single tourney with high likelihood of not cashing, all in the hopes of fame and prestige of making the MC team.

I almost bought a diamond table from the gentleman that backs Hennessee. He told me that backing him has been a lucrative endeavor for many years.

 

[rharm]

In the past, I felt that players who don't play in Matchroom events aren't given serious consideration for inclusion on the Mosconi team. Last year's Earl pick proved to me that I was wrong. Earl had played in just one of the Matchroom majors in the two years leading up to the 2022 Mosconi.

Pinegar is a fine player and as worthy as many who have been selected, but the biggest problem he has is that he's one of the slowest players on the planet. Add to this that he has rubbed a lot of people the wrong way over the years and it leads me to believe that Pinegar won't get serious consideration. Another point worth considering in that he couldn't be expected to play nine ball up to his Fargo, because his Fargo reflects stellar results in other disciplines (such as his silver at the Derby City 1-pocket this year).

Do 1 pocket matches count towards Fargo?

 

[Gatz]

Perhaps you are right. Have you ever seen him play on a shot clock. If I have, I don't remember it.

That said, however, we all think of BCA Hall of Famer Ralf Souquet as a glacially slow player, and yet he plays great pool even when the shot clock is on.

I believe hes played some of those "Make it happen" events. Pat Flemming is alittle more generous with his shotclock times of 40+ seconds though. Pretty sure i've seen him play at international open/US Open on TV table as well back in the day before Matchroom took over US Open.

 

[mikepage]

[,...] Another point worth considering in that he couldn't be expected to play nine ball up to his Fargo, because his Fargo reflects stellar results in other disciplines (such as his silver at the Derby City 1-pocket this year).

For perspective, in the last 18 months or so, he has 1187 games in the system, of which just 55 are one pocket. His rating is essentially the same with or without the one-pocket games. It might be 1 point higher if the one-pocket games were removed.

 

[easy-e]

Do 1 pocket matches count towards Fargo?

Yep.

 

[jasonlaus]

and a win over Konrad Juzczyszyn in the same event a year ago
and wins over Mieszko Fortunski, Ruslan Chinahkov and Thorsten Hohmann in 2021
and a win over Sanjin Pehlivanovic at Texas Open 2022
and a win over David Alcaide at 2022 World 9-Ball
and a win over Oliver Szolnoki at US Open 10-Ball this year
and a win over Alex Kazakis at US Open 8-Ball this year

Now pick the WORST player on team Euro and do the same thing

 

[Bob Farr]

With the Mosconi Cup being in London this year, I (IMHO) think it would be wise for the USA team to have some newer players on the team that will not fold up in the past (Dechaine, Bergman, Reinhold for example) under the intense pressure the drunk and boisterous English crowds will surely inflict. Jonathan Pinegar has always appeared to me to play with a calm and cool demeanor, perfect for the type of environment mentioned above. His Fargo rate is a point higher than Oscar Dominguez', who has gotten the call in the past and is often considered on a yearly basis.

So my question is, why not give Pinegar a shot at it? It couldn't possibly go any worse for him as some of the past year's selections, right?

Opinions?

For the Mosconi Cup, I like Pinegar also. I don't think he is scared of anyone.

 

[Texas Carom Club]

How about he’s completely unwatchable! Completely.

not near as unwatchable as bergman

 

[jasonlaus]

I understand he's considered a 1pkt specialist, but I've always wondered why no one ever suggests Mr Chohan...?

That's what I was going to post also. Tony has that gear, he just has to take a minimum of 2 weeks with no 1 pckt and only 9ball(preferably on a 10' for half of it). He is the answer

 

[jasonlaus]

I would like to see an "up-and-comer" as well, like a Kashton Keeton, Joey Tate, Laz Martinez, etc.. Since we are in a rebuilding phase anyways, we might as well get some youngsters in the mix for longevity's sake. Just my $.02

I'd like to put together a "junior" team for Europe as well so we(you Americans that think we have a future) could finally see what bad shape we are in

 

[jasonlaus]

Yes, teams should be required to have one under 21 player.

Why? How bout a woman how bout somebody black, how bout an Asian, Mexican, short person, etc, etc etc.

Just put a damn team together. It's not like it would hurt the Euros, hell, I beta team of all under 21 would beat the USA

 

[jasonlaus]

How about they just aren't financially feasible for guys to chase lol there's a system but it's expensive to travel around the country chasing MC point's.

Guess that means they can't win enough to be considered. Believe me, if there was a Filler, Gorst, Kaci, etc running around the US, they'd have a sponsor

 

[jasonlaus]

I think it is a real road block to getting, or even trying for, MC points when you can stay relatively local and make more money. An extreme example is Fedor last year....staying in the states, playing regional tourneys, bar box tourneys, and money matches and he made more than most, if not all, the folks traveling internationally to the big MR tourneys.

Now, I am not putting Hennessee in the same tier as Gorst, but a guy like him could very well play a money match in Louisiana for 10-20k, travel to Birmingham and cash in a barbox tourney with a 75k calcutta, head up the road to huntsville for similar action/tourney, and so on. Wouldn't be hard to imagine someone with his skills scratching out even 5-10k a month, off the books.

Might be hard to convince a guy like that to travel internationally, play against a murderer's row every single tourney with high likelihood of not cashing, all in the hopes of fame and prestige of making the MC team.

I almost bought a diamond table from the gentleman that backs Hennessee. He told me that backing him has been a lucrative endeavor for many years.

Do you even play pool? This is a 100% serious question

 

[OldOrvis]

Guess that means they can't win enough to be considered. Believe me, if there was a Filler, Gorst, Kaci, etc running around the US, they'd have a sponsor

Gorst is running around the US he lives here now and Filler does a lot also lol you know team members from EU cup team stay in the US right...? lol

 

[SBC]

How about they just aren't financially feasible for guys to chase lol there's a system but it's expensive to travel around the country chasing MC point's.

The selection by points is as big a joke as the popularity contest. Neither is working.

Henny is a top player with Bergman and Dechaine removed he's in the top 5. They should put him in....course it won't ever happen.

 

[SBC]

In the past, I felt that players who don't play in Matchroom events aren't given serious consideration for inclusion on the Mosconi team. Last year's Earl pick proved to me that I was wrong. Earl had played in just one of the Matchroom majors in the two years leading up to the 2022 Mosconi.

Pinegar is a fine player and as worthy as many who have been selected, but the biggest problem he has is that he's one of the slowest players on the planet. Add to this that he has rubbed a lot of people the wrong way over the years and it leads me to believe that Pinegar won't get serious consideration. Another point worth considering in that he couldn't be expected to play nine ball up to his Fargo, because his Fargo reflects stellar results in other disciplines (such as his silver at the Derby City 1-pocket this year).

Earl is the biggest draw in pool. He should be on the team every event. I'd still pick his ability to win over many up and comers.

 

[The_JV]

I think it is a real road block to getting, or even trying for, MC points when you can stay relatively local and make more money. An extreme example is Fedor last year....staying in the states, playing regional tourneys, bar box tourneys, and money matches and he made more than most, if not all, the folks traveling internationally to the big MR tourneys.

Now, I am not putting Hennessee in the same tier as Gorst, but a guy like him could very well play a money match in Louisiana for 10-20k, travel to Birmingham and cash in a barbox tourney with a 75k calcutta, head up the road to huntsville for similar action/tourney, and so on. Wouldn't be hard to imagine someone with his skills scratching out even 5-10k a month, off the books.

Might be hard to convince a guy like that to travel internationally, play against a murderer's row every single tourney with high likelihood of not cashing, all in the hopes of fame and prestige of making the MC team.

I almost bought a diamond table from the gentleman that backs Hennessee. He told me that backing him has been a lucrative endeavor for many years.

If this is the actual case, then the bleeding hearts for the poor broke pool player need to reset their perspective.

The mosconi is what...?..., a 15k payday just for showing up. You don't even need to pot a ball to get that cheque. So you travel to select places around the country playing pool (not internationally), because that's what guys earning a living playing pool do. ...and you focus on events that could put you on the Mosconi radar (if you're that good) because its a guaranteed payday.

How many MR pts events are there in the States now...? A dozen...? More than enough to make the US squad

 

[SBC]

I think it is a real road block to getting, or even trying for, MC points when you can stay relatively local and make more money. An extreme example is Fedor last year....staying in the states, playing regional tourneys, bar box tourneys, and money matches and he made more than most, if not all, the folks traveling internationally to the big MR tourneys.

Now, I am not putting Hennessee in the same tier as Gorst, but a guy like him could very well play a money match in Louisiana for 10-20k, travel to Birmingham and cash in a barbox tourney with a 75k calcutta, head up the road to huntsville for similar action/tourney, and so on. Wouldn't be hard to imagine someone with his skills scratching out even 5-10k a month, off the books.

Might be hard to convince a guy like that to travel internationally, play against a murderer's row every single tourney with high likelihood of not cashing, all in the hopes of fame and prestige of making the MC team.

I almost bought a diamond table from the gentleman that backs Hennessee. He told me that backing him has been a lucrative endeavor for many years.

They will decide based on points or just pick who they like. So rarely does any player focus on that.

I think it's time Europe plays us 12 sets to 10....

 

[pt109]

Now pick the WORST player on team Euro and do the same thing

To be fair, pick better American players….we already know the Euros are favourites.

 

[The_JV]

Earl is the biggest draw in pool.

Shame it has nothing to do with his ability to play the game these days