Why Should Fees be Disclosed for Tournaments?

Does it Matter to you if fees are listed?

  • I will NOT play if fees aren't listed

    Votes: 6 21.4%

  • I will only play if fees are listed

    Votes: 5 17.9%

  • I don't care either way

    Votes: 17 60.7%
  • Total voters
    28
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I have noticed many tournaments don't give a lot of details on their announcements. I noticed some of our events here in my home state have events with no fees detailed and are often ignored when asked about them.

Do you think tournaments should list how much is prize fund and how much is fees? If so why?

Does this only matter to a select few or do most players not care? (Poll added)

Thanks,

Ray
 
I prefer fees be listed simply in the interest of full disclosure. But as long as the total prize fund/pay schedule is disclosed it is easy enough to determine how much, if any, is being held back for fees.

Therefore in most cases it's no big deal to me. So for me the better question is "Would you play in a tournament that doesn't disclose the prize fund/pay schedule?" So the way the poll is worded I voted "don't care".

BTW, I disagree that reasonable green fees are a rip-off by default. The room is entitled to be reasonably compensated for the use of the tables to make holding an event worthwhile to them.
 
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You guys are too sharp for me. Hehe.

Ok. poll "fail" :D

Now that we had our fun. :embarrassed2:

I think it's ok for there to be fees, but I think they should be disclosed. I'll play either way myself, since I have little chance of cashing, but if they're not listed couldn't they be changed after the fact?

Ray
 
Why should fees be posted? Guess my answer is, why not? The players should know what their actual entry fee is and what percentage of the total pot will be paid out. Another question is, what fees are you discussing? Entry fees that include table time? Entry fees with separate table fees? Registration fees? Percentage of the player auction going to the person who runs the auction? There are so few events held in the Northeast I don't really check that closely anymore. Once there, I'd play regardless as I have expenses already paid out to attend (fuel, tolls, etc). Please elaborate.

Lyn
 
Faulty poll?

I think the first two questions are the same, just asked differently...:)

I do get your point and will re-post one of my older responses, which you were also kind enough to paste in your Sticky.

"Be very clear about payouts and green fees when asked. In my opinion, participants have every right to know where and how their entry monies are being distributed. Usually the weaker players outnumber the stronger ones, and people need to know if their investment, drive time, food, hotel fees are going to be worth it, especially if it takes time away from their families. Not everyone is going to be super-grateful just because they can play in a tournament, and be happy with that. The bad economy affects us all, not just room owners. "
 
It's very funny and very sad how many two bit hustlers think they can turn a weekly / local tourney into a profitable business.

And they try to do this by intentionally and deceptively blurring the lines of entry fees, green fees and added money and think we can't figure things out.

But the true is we just want to play some pool and compete from time to time and so we tolerate their transparent and unsophisticated maneuvers because we really don't care about the $40 entry fee enough to make a big deal out of it.
 
cardiac kid said:
Why should fees be posted? Guess my answer is, why not? The players should know what their actual entry fee is and what percentage of the total pot will be paid out. Another question is, what fees are you discussing? Entry fees that include table time? Entry fees with separate table fees? Registration fees? Percentage of the player auction going to the person who runs the auction? There are so few events held in the Northeast I don't really check that closely anymore. Once there, I'd play regardless as I have expenses already paid out to attend (fuel, tolls, etc). Please elaborate.

Lyn
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Whoa!

So few tournaments held in the Northeast?

How far away are you from Maryland and Virginia?

Here are some events which may be of interest:

Action Pool Tour (www.actionpooltour.com)

Finding Felt Tour (www.breaknnrun.com)

Bar Box Bonanza (www.breaknnrun.com)

Monthly in-house Nine Ball at VIP Billiards in Catonsville, MD hosted by yours truly (www.vipbilliards.net)

Monthly in-house Nine Ball at Big Daddy's Billiards in Glen Burnie, MD.

Planet Pool Tour (www.planetpooltour.com)

And let's not forget The Mezz Tour which always gets great turnouts.

Last but not least, Rick Miller is beginning monthly in-house events at Finley's Tavern in York, PA on bar tables. He has a thread in the Tournaments Announcements section.

Enjoy!
 
I think 'green fees' should be listed....
...and it's none of my business how they use that fee money.

And I think green fees are fair....
...why would anybody holding a tournament want to cater to people
who don't want to pay green fees?
If you want something for nothing, go to a public park.
 
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Hungarian said:
It's very funny and very sad how many two bit hustlers think they can turn a weekly / local tourney into a profitable business.

And they try to do this by intentionally and deceptively blurring the lines of entry fees, green fees and added money and think we can't figure things out.

But the true is we just want to play some pool and compete from time to time and so we tolerate their transparent and unsophisticated maneuvers because we really don't care about the $40 entry fee enough to make a big deal out of it.
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Part of what you say is true, only because some room owners and TDs do care about pool and the players and don't try to squeeze every nickel and dime from them to cover their bills, or make a profit, which is a joke when you consider how little money there is in pool in the first place.

Like everything else, if players truly want to protest the best way to do this is to speak with their wallets!

People would adjust their pricing structures really quickly if no one shows up for events, then they would continue to depend on league pool and regular patronage, which is not always lucrative as we have seen.

Can you imagine what car dealers would do if no one bought a new car for six months nationwide? The only real "power" we have is consumer-based. We don't like so we don't buy.

Like you said though, most players don't care and just want to play, and that is precisely what some room owners and TDs count on.

Shame on them.
 
I think all fees should be open and posted for everybody to see.
Pool players are the investors and like any investor,you have the
right to know.
To much speculation and drama when nobody knows where the money
is.Post it.:smile:
 
Bigtruck said:
You guys are too sharp for me. Hehe.

Ok. poll "fail" :D

Now that we had our fun. :embarrassed2:

I think it's ok for there to be fees, but I think they should be disclosed. I'll play either way myself, since I have little chance of cashing, but if they're not listed couldn't they be changed after the fact?

Ray
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Hey Bigtruck,
What do you mean that you have little chance of cashing? I think you play good! Bigtruck Rocks!
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
 
inside_english said:
Whoa!

So few tournaments held in the Northeast?

How far away are you from Maryland and Virginia?

Here are some events which may be of interest:

Action Pool Tour (www.actionpooltour.com)

Finding Felt Tour (www.breaknnrun.com)

Bar Box Bonanza (www.breaknnrun.com)

Monthly in-house Nine Ball at VIP Billiards in Catonsville, MD hosted by yours truly (www.vipbilliards.net)

Monthly in-house Nine Ball at Big Daddy's Billiards in Glen Burnie, MD.

Planet Pool Tour (www.planetpooltour.com)

And let's not forget The Mezz Tour which always gets great turnouts.

Last but not least, Rick Miller is beginning monthly in-house events at Finley's Tavern in York, PA on bar tables. He has a thread in the Tournaments Announcements section.

Enjoy!
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Baltimore is nealy seven hours from Rochester. Generally, most people consider the Northeast to be Pennsylvania North and East. Maryland and Virginia (even West Virginia) are considered to be Mid-Atlantic. Just saying.

Thanks for the list of Tours though. Some are one day events. For me they would be two or three days as I would have to arrive the night before and be prepared to stay overnight after the event concludes and drive home the following day. Expenses are a consideration. So is my age (68). The Joss Northeast is about the only reasonable alternative. Tony Robles' Preditor events are also over seven hours away. Minimum.

Don't mean to be argumentative. You wouldn't believe the number of people who ask me if I know so and so from the Bronx. Or someone from North Jersey. In all honesty, I play for the fun of it. Don't expect to win. If I do, it's a bonus. Just look at my signature!

Lyn

Forgot, Finley's is just over six hours.
 
DogsPlayingPool said:
I prefer fees be listed simply in the interest of full disclosure. But as long as the total prize fund/pay schedule is disclosed it is easy enough to determine how much, if any, is being held back for fees.

Therefore in most cases it's no big deal to me. So for me the better question is "Would you play in a tournament that doesn't disclose the prize fund/pay schedule?" So the way the poll is worded I voted "don't care".

BTW, I disagree that reasonable green fees are a rip-off by default. The room is entitled to be reasonably compensated for the use of the tables to make holding an event worthwhile to them.
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what he said. if the risk/ reward doesnt work for me, i dont play. that applies to reasons other than $, more than because of it. i guess extra costs dont bug me too much.

to me, the complaint is a lot like complaining about the tax rate on your lottery winnings.

the...arrangement has to be appealing to the hosts too.
 
stop being so difficult...one of us will pick you up at BWI.
cardiac kid said:
Baltimore is nealy seven hours from Rochester. Generally, most people consider the Northeast to be Pennsylvania North and East. Maryland and Virginia (even West Virginia) are considered to be Mid-Atlantic. Just saying.

Thanks for the list of Tours though. Some are one day events. For me they would be two or three days as I would have to arrive the night before and be prepared to stay overnight after the event concludes and drive home the following day. Expenses are a consideration. So is my age (68). The Joss Northeast is about the only reasonable alternative. Tony Robles' Preditor events are also over seven hours away. Minimum.

Don't mean to be argumentative. You wouldn't believe the number of people who ask me if I know so and so from the Bronx. Or someone from North Jersey. In all honesty, I play for the fun of it. Don't expect to win. If I do, it's a bonus. Just look at my signature!

Lyn

Forgot, Finley's is just over six hours.
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Black-Balled said:
what he said. if the risk/ reward doesnt work for me, i dont play. that applies to reasons other than $, more than because of it. i guess extra costs dont bug me too much.

to me, the complaint is a lot like complaining about the tax rate on your lottery winnings.

the...arrangement has to be appealing to the hosts too.
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Would you feel the same if you had just driven four or five hours to play and had to stay overnight?

Agree the room and the TD MUST be compensated for their efforts otherwise, no future events!

Like the comment on the lottery. If I had no dollars and won a million, do you think I would complain about paying taxes on a fluke :yikes:? I'll pay the taxes every time!!!!

Lyn
 
I personally don't think it's anyones business what the fees are. Locally we had pretty good Friday Tournament with descent weekly turn out, until people started *****ing because the guy running the tournament was cutting the pot $2 per player. $2 damn dollars,,,,,,,so he's donating a minimum of 5 hours EVERY Friday night for maybe 45 bucks average per night, and ran very smooth tournaments, with a break and run at 11 pm every friday. He got fed up with the *****ing, which was usually from people who only played occasionally, because THEY sometimes had other things to do on those Friday nights, and so he said Screw-It,,,,,,not worth the hassle.

It should be about the sportsmanship, competition and competitive atmosphere, like someone else said, IT'S NOT A BUSINESS, it's for fun, and it almost always is setup and ran by someone caring enough to donate their time to do it. The payoff for winning is ALWAYS more than the entry, so why is it anyone elses business. The house SHOULD make money, as well as the people who donate and dedicate their time week in and week out so people have a place to compete WHEN IT"S CONVENIENT FOR THEM!
 
How motivated would you be to go to work if you knew there would be taxes taken out of your check but they didn't say how much until time to cut the checks?
 
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