Why this call?
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WobblyStroke
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For anyone interested ^^^
Basically, 10ball is call shot, call safe. Shane called the 9 and missed. Earl didn't like the shot he left him so has the option to put Shane back in which he did.
FWIW this kinda nonsense and the lack of 2 way shots is why I way prefer 9ball.
Shane called a carom on the 9 though
tomatoshooter
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I haven't seen it play out like this. I've seen the incoming player give the table back when a safety attempt accidentally sank a ball. I do like being able to give the table back if a ball is made on a safety attempt or in the wrong pocket, if you didn't want to keep shooting you shouldn't have put a ball in. Giving the table back after a missed shot is goofy. I kind of wish I had that option sometimes but I think it diminishes the game.
The reason I like being able to give the table back if the wrong shot is made is if the 9 and 10 are stuck together and I'm shooting the 8, I can call a safety or a pocket other than where I will sink the ball, forcing the incoming player to open up the remaining balls with little chance of running out. It's not a particularly clever strategy, more of a loophole in the rules that's only marginally more sophisticated than shooting the cue ball directly in the hole to make your opponent shoot out of the kitchen when his balls are behind the head string.
I agree with your preference for 9 ball. People complain about "luck" but it's really more about understanding possible outcomes and percentages than being lucky and adds a level of understanding to the required skills instead of rewarding a lack of skill. If a lucky shot changes the outcome, then the races are too short. Can anyone truly say that their outcome would be different after eliminating "luck" from the game, at least over a reasonable number of games? I've had "bad luck" make some whippings worse than they should have been but the other player would have likely beaten me, unless I got really lucky.
Did you see Shane strike the lowest ball on the table?he did , Then several balls touched the rails , therefore qualifying the shot.
I don’t care if the 9 went in or not , my point being the shot was legal . Then how so can he pass back?
WobblyStroke
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Yes, and when he missed, Earl can give back the table to him. Earl is treating it like Shane fluked a safety, so he is making him shoot the shot. Perfectly fine according to the rules....I just hate the rules lol.
It would be more obvious if the 8 was hidden completely from the cue ball that Shane fluked a safe and Earl would be well within his rights to make him shoot. It just looks odd when he can see the ball. But, it is a safe enough position, so he can hand it back.
So in your10 ball rule’s anytime you miss a called ball your opponent always has the option of passing back to you ?
* and not incidentally pocketing another ball( which was not the case here)
WobblyStroke
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That is a version of the rules that exists and the one that was agreed upon for the race as Earl is a stickler for trying to get as much luck out of the game as possible, whether that be fluking balls in or fluking safe leaves. The announcers were aware of the rules in play as one of them even predicted Earl would hand the shot back to Shane.
Yes it’s the way 10 ball was designed and should be played
No, this isn't how it was designed. 10ball has been around for over fifty years.
In the last couple of seasons of the PBT Camel Tour (1999-2000, I think), the last great tour in America, they played 10ball but played it Texas Express. Call shot ten ball is relatively new in our game, perhaps 20 years old and "call shot call safe" rules is a nearly extinct version of ten ball.
There is a local room that streams Friday night fights. They say they play "Pro Rules" 10 ball. I wanted to ask "Which set of pro rules, WPA rules, Predator " tour" rules, Texas Express 10 ball, EPBF 10 ball, Sharks 10 ball?". Kind of reminds me of bar rules 8 ball where everyone has their own ruleset.
That's two things we agree on. I forget what the other one is.
Make or safe two way shots make for sloppy pool. The lack of intensity with the call everything rule is a matter of player competence and the ancient state of pool performance.
Oddly enough when I asked in comments their response was we don’t know.
10 ball seems to have no definite rules in any shape or form.
I watched hundreds of hours of pro 10 ball and have seen variations in the game that I can understand but never seen if you miss a called shot but contact was made and rail was hit which generally is just the the opponents shot . & not a push pass option
I guess I’ll go back to the episode 1 and see if I can make any sense of this
That's how they matched up. My take on the pass rule is the player must play specific shots. It's like bar 8 ball for pros. It fell out of convention because they (the field) weren't able to get good enough at it.
Thanks , had no idea of this or even to know what game it was .
Thought it was 10 ball but maybe it’s “ placement pool ?” ; )
It's not that bad, why should a player be punished because his opponent missed a shot? It's almost on the level of the bar rules where they just shoot the ball into a pocket and make the guy kick at a ball in the kitchen, except one is by accident the other on purpose.
I am not a fan of the rule either for amateur play, but for pro players, it's not too bad. My favorite way to play 10 ball is just called shot, and you can give the shot back if the player pockets a ball not called or pockets a ball while calling a safe, but not after just a miss.
There are about 3 ways to play 10 ball. Just like 9 ball with another ball, Call shot/Call safe, Call shot only. In the last two if an un-intended ball goes in the incoming player can pass the shot back. This prevents shooting shots when you call a ball in some other pocket but just shoot it into some other pocket for a safety. Oh sorry I called that corner not this side, your turn now.
If you want to take luck away then take it away completely. Call ball or call safe.
I’ve watched pro pool matches since the 80’s. I’ve seen variations of the rules of many games. Just never seen this variation.
I knew something was up as a kept hearing SAFETY
Just wish there was an explanation of the rules as I tried to find some . ( in the posted video)
My searches for rules of pool games seems never ending as acronym governing body’s seem to like different variations .
Then there’s further modifications done as per tournament and even change again as the matches progress.
Being a passed union official & vnea qualified ref ( 25 years ago) seem to not be helpful
Thanks all for understanding & explanations
I knew something was up as a kept hearing SAFETY
Just wish there was an explanation of the rules as I tried to find some . ( in the posted video)
My searches for rules of pool games seems never ending as acronym governing body’s seem to like different variations .
Then there’s further modifications done as per tournament and even change again as the matches progress.
Being a passed union official & vnea qualified ref ( 25 years ago) seem to not be helpful
Thanks all for understanding & explanations