Why would you use a break cue??

I use a break stick but actually break better with my playing stick. My player has LD shafts so I was always afraid I would damage one trying to break with it AND I was afraid of ruining my kamui tip UNTIL I saw the light and got me a Ki-tech tip. I don't there is much you can do to these tips to ruin them. I've been playing , playing , playing and the med I put on is the exact same shape and holds chalk just as well as it did from day one. Now if someone could scientifically prove that I won't screw up my LD shaft I would put the breaker away. BTW I'm installing a ki-tech hard on my other shaft... :)
 
Hits 'em Hard said:
If your placement of the cue ball is slightly backward from where they're breaking from, that will give you the increased speed you're seeing in the app. It took me a long time to try and figure out what dials in the most perfect results for the breakspeed app. Placement of the phone in relation to their breaking position is what matters the most, solely so the phones mic gets a clean capture of the break. I've had three phones on different spots of the table all give different results. They were all within 1mph of each other, but the same app on the same break gives different results. Now the variances of cue ball placement allowed for more than a 2 mph difference.

Also, don't be influenced by how high the ball jumps up on the break as an indication of how hard it was struck. How far backwards the cue ball rebounds is a better indicator. When SVB breaks and the cue ball rebounds back to the first diamond before the side pocket and second bounce stops around the kitchen line, that's a 27 mph break. Having the cue ball rebound to the side pocket then stop at the diamond between the side pockets and kitchen is around a 25 mph break.

But you're right, now that SVB is using the extension, he is using his break cue more often.
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Here is a cool thing you can try with the app... Since the app uses the spikes and measures the time between them you can actually use the app on recorded matches where the ambient noise is low enough to not cause the issues experienced in noisy rooms... May go check the Nikos match out just to see what Shane was breaking at in Greece =)

Lots of phones use sound compression and they cause major issues with getting good consistent readings... I am no longer sure which phones you can disable it on but I have an antique Backberry with no compression that works even in the poolroom when they have the dj going.... IF you look at the actual wavefile and the 2 contacts aren't considerable higher than ambient sound you likely are looking at a phone that has the compression....

And cueball placement is extremely important luckily that year at the open they used the break box and almost everyone was at the outside line on the head string so there wasn't alot of monkeying with placement... best one so far was the guys at the poolroom that had the table set for 9ft as they were hammering breaks on the 8ft... Was kind of sad when I showed them that setting LOL
 
slide13 said:
....This analogy is about as useful as comparing to golfers with a bag of 14 clubs....it's a different game, doesn't matter what they do.
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You're right, slide. That was a terrible analogy on my part.

I should have expounded on it by saying that although tennis
players' racquets take a beating with their 100mph+ serves,
these racquets are still good enough to play with.
The implications with this further info should then have been obvious.

Thanks for keeping me straight. :cool:
 
I just carry my Ob break cue in a 1/1 and play off the wall.
There are so few balls left after I break I can run em' out with anything. :)
 
My cue tips average cost is $20.....the added cost to get the tip installed doubles the price.....why would I want to needlessly pound a new tip
I spent time shaping the tip....contouring the dome shape to what I like the best...and slam it night after night fully realizing that all the hard work
I put in to shape the tip was just flushed down the toilet.

And I wind up having to re-shape my tips much, much sooner thus shortening the tip's life and resulting in replacing the tips sooner than necessary.
All in all, it otherwise seems like a stupid thing to do....using your playing cue for a break stick.........But hey, what the heck, if it doesn't matter to you,
then go for it. It's a great technique and you probably pocket more balls and win more games, blah, blah, blah.........but it still seems pretty dumb to me.

Matt B.
 
DrGonzo said:
Because the last thing I want to do is put a crack in my ivory jointed playing cue from leaning into a break.
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I agree because i cracked mine for breaking with it. it cost about $100 to replace the ivory ferrule you might as well add another $100-150 and get a decent break cue could be bk2 or mezz power break). to avoid the fear to crack the ivory ferrule and you can break as hard as you can. problems solved.

I dont see why not not having it. it's only giving you advantages.
 
Don't over think it...just get a light cue... 14 -17 oz. put on a phenolic tip or something very hard and hammer the rack.....................

Kim
 
I just flip my play cue and break with the rubber end, works great and is much better to break with then the 11.75mm tip on the other side. Lol I still am not good with jumping with either side. Still working on that one. Lol I like my break stick because it makes a lot of noise and ups my cool rating. In all seriousness, I don't feel comfortable breaking with my Z2, more then enough reason for the break stick IMO. Also sadly I can not jump a full ball with my play cue either. Why not have a break stick? Use the right tool for the right job.
 
"Need"

I really don't like the "Do you NEED "x" threads" because the answer is no.

We don't NEED personal pool cues. We don't NEED different tips. We don't NEED personalized joint protectors and everything else that is marketed to "pool players".


That doesn't mean we don't WANT them and it doesn't mean they can't be USEFUL.
 
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Everyone needs to remember one cardinal rule...........

"What one wants often isn't needed and what one truly needs, often isn't wanted."

Some great examples are......."Perfect Cue Ball Shape" ......and....... "Criticism on Your Match Lost".

Matt B.
 
I like using my break cue mainly because I like using a larger diameter shaft & hard tip (13.25) for breaking. My player is 12.5mm and a softer tip.

Plus my break cue was a surprise Christmas gift that I hadn't asked for. A pleasant surprise.
 
I love the players that use a break cue cuz they don't want to "wear out there tip". but when they start to play with their playing cue they smash the crap out of balls. gotta love pool players
 
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