Will someone please explain snooker rules to me... please

clintw

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Why is it that everywhere I go there are different rules?
Please don't give me a website link that is hard to understand.
I live in southern, U.S
No one here says
"oh he potted a ball" for example with a bunch of jiberish to me..
The poolroom that I play at they only play with 8 red balls with the 6 in the middle.
Any type of foul and you lose 7 points. This includes if you shoot someone a snooker and they miss well you then get 7 points.
Also you must get a rail or you lose 7 points. The list goes on and on
but..
I watch ronnie o' sullivan barely land the ball in the rack (no rail) and people clap lolll i don't understand
All I want is some one to explain these things to me and not be an @$$ about it..
 
Why is it that everywhere I go there are different rules?
Please don't give me a website link that is hard to understand.
I live in southern, U.S
No one here says
"oh he potted a ball" for example with a bunch of jiberish to me..
The poolroom that I play at they only play with 8 red balls with the 6 in the middle.
Any type of foul and you lose 7 points. This includes if you shoot someone a snooker and they miss well you then get 7 points.
Also you must get a rail or you lose 7 points. The list goes on and on
but..
I watch ronnie o' sullivan barely land the ball in the rack (no rail) and people clap lolll i don't understand
All I want is some one to explain these things to me and not be an @$$ about it..
The rules of international snooker (like at the World Championships) are different from American snooker and the kind people play in your pool hall seem to be even different from that.

In international snooker, you are never required to make any cushion contact, the penalty for fouls depends on the ball(s) involved, and if someone snookers you on a foul, you have three choices: make them shoot again; take the shot yourself; shoot any ball as if it were the next ball to be hit. Also, the British have a different word for everything. I remember one chapter in a snooker book titled, "Stun, Stab and Screw." It was not about British romance. There are lots of other details, but if you're not actually going to be playing by those rules, there's no point in worrying about them. If you do have to play by those rules, several websites have them complete.
 
Why is it that everywhere I go there are different rules?
Please don't give me a website link that is hard to understand.
I live in southern, U.S
No one here says
"oh he potted a ball" for example with a bunch of jiberish to me..
The poolroom that I play at they only play with 8 red balls with the 6 in the middle.
Any type of foul and you lose 7 points. This includes if you shoot someone a snooker and they miss well you then get 7 points.
Also you must get a rail or you lose 7 points. The list goes on and on
but..
I watch ronnie o' sullivan barely land the ball in the rack (no rail) and people clap lolll i don't understand
All I want is some one to explain these things to me and not be an @$$ about it..

It sounds like you are playing American Snooker with a few "local"
modifications to the rules. Once upon a time that situation was fairly
typical - even for pool games - the idea of 'house rules'.
Most of the Snooker I've played or seen, they choose to use fewer than
the full 15 reds. IMHO - this is done to make the game more resemble
9 Ball, more of a 'shooters' game. The idea, IIUC - of racking the reds
like 9 Ball with the 6 buried in the middle of the diamond is a new one
on me.

Terms and rules.

http://www.jasonbeaver.com/billiards/rules/snooker.html

is a site called "versions of Snooker", that give a quick comparison
of terms between US(us) and International/English(them) :)

Example: we say pocket a ball - they say 'pot' a ball - not
exactly a monumental difference.

You did touch on a definite point - the requirement of 'ball to a rail'.

IMHO - a result of the pool playing background of US players and
US pool rooms.

When all is said and done, there really isn't that much difference between
the two versions - structure wise - mostly just the 'ball to a rail'
requirement, and what to do when a player fouls and leaves his
opponent snookered.

If you check out the terms, then Google 'rules of snooker' or something
similar, you should be able to clear up any and all questions.

Dale
 
Why is it that everywhere I go there are different rules?
Please don't give me a website link that is hard to understand.
I live in southern, U.S
No one here says
"oh he potted a ball" for example with a bunch of jiberish to me..
The poolroom that I play at they only play with 8 red balls with the 6 in the middle.
Any type of foul and you lose 7 points. This includes if you shoot someone a snooker and they miss well you then get 7 points.
Also you must get a rail or you lose 7 points. The list goes on and on
but..
I watch ronnie o' sullivan barely land the ball in the rack (no rail) and people clap lolll i don't understand
All I want is some one to explain these things to me and not be an @$$ about it..

I think you're playing with a good set of rules.
I've played lots under both rules and I much prefer American snooker rules.
Drive a ball to a rail and 'shoot again after any foul' option works for me.

You don't even wanna hear about 'free ball' and 'must attempt to hit a
snooker'.
 
Why is it that everywhere I go there are different rules?
Please don't give me a website link that is hard to understand.
I live in southern, U.S
No one here says
"oh he potted a ball" for example with a bunch of jiberish to me..
The poolroom that I play at they only play with 8 red balls with the 6 in the middle.
Any type of foul and you lose 7 points. This includes if you shoot someone a snooker and they miss well you then get 7 points.
Also you must get a rail or you lose 7 points. The list goes on and on
but..
I watch ronnie o' sullivan barely land the ball in the rack (no rail) and people clap lolll i don't understand
All I want is some one to explain these things to me and not be an @$$ about it..
your almost better off not playing with American pool players during snooker, you have to be playing snooker to understand snooker. also start learning how to pot balls and the patterns of snooker play before rules, if you cant pot balls you cant really enjoy the game, so first get used to potting and development. you cant play snooker on a pool mentality. snooker is a culture, the language is different, the players are different. i love eating pool players and there gazillion dollar super hi-tech shiny fancy pool cues. so anyone can get really good at pool, only a few get good at striking snooker.
 
The Definitive Rules of Snooker For The Civilized World
Obviously the U.S.A. does not belong

http://www.worldsnooker.com/page/RulesofSnooker

Unfortunately, no English - American translation is available.

The United States Snooker Association do not recognize the "American" snooker rules.

We do have a copy of the "international" rules as adopted by the World Professional Billiards & Snooker Association (WPBSA) and the International Billiards & Snooker Federation (IBSF) on the SnookerUSA.com website:

http://www.snookerusa.com/aboutsnooker/rules.php
 
Scaramouche that was funny!!!LOL!

"The rules are the rules"............forget the pool hall version made up by a group of guys who know nothing about the game!!

It is kinda like playing 8-ball with people who want you to call how many times a ball will brush the rail while it is being pocketed YIKES!!

Like anything else, you need to respect the game, and learn the background to truly enjoy it. It is worlds apart from bar box 8-ball. Don't get me wrong, I respect and enjoy bar box 8-ball as much as I do Snooker.............they are just different, and both deserve to be treated with respect for their individuality. After all, they are ALL "cue-sports"!

Mike
 
An brief English to English billiard term translation guide.

Table parts:

Top of the table = Foot of the table
Bottom = Head of the table

(Americans shoot down the table, the British shoot up the table.)

In Baulk = In the Kitchen, behind the head string

Playing:

potting = pocketing
break = run
snookered = stuck by a safe shot
screw = draw, bottom spin
stun = center-ball stop shot
banana shot = extreme angled force draw shot similar in appearance to a masse shot but is shot with a horizontal cue.
century = scoring 100 points in a turn
147 = a perfect game
cannon = carom
 
your almost better off not playing with American pool players during snooker, you have to be playing snooker to understand snooker. also start learning how to pot balls and the patterns of snooker play before rules, if you cant pot balls you cant really enjoy the game, so first get used to potting and development. you cant play snooker on a pool mentality. snooker is a culture, the language is different, the players are different. i love eating pool players and there gazillion dollar super hi-tech shiny fancy pool cues. so anyone can get really good at pool, only a few get good at striking snooker.

It would seem you have never encountered a highly skilled pool player.

Just try an adventure in the frozen north of the US of A. If you can locate
an authentic American 6 x 12 table with the correct balls, I promise,
you will be appropriately humbled. The standard tactic of
red-black-red-black break building on an English table is a joke
compared to an American 6 x 12.

Don't even think about trying to pot on a nefarious "Golf" table.

Let us all know how it goes... please.

Dale
 
Dale -

what is the difference between an American 6x12 and other snooker tables?

The only snooker halls I have been in are in Asia and all have 6x12 tables, mostly Riley.

I am a pool player who plays a little snooker but have a lot of respect for top snooker players. There are several top pool players who started in snooker, but I don't know of any pool players who have made the crossover to snooker. And it's not because of money because there seems to be much larger prizes in snooker than in pool.
 
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... what is the difference between an American 6x12 and other snooker tables?
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A lot of 6x12 tables in the US are set up with very tight pockets and very fast cloth, and the game played on them is usually golf. I have seen tables on which it was impossible to pot a ball in the corner pockets unless you were 30 degrees from either cushion. That means that the black cannot be potted in a top pocket from its spot, which would make a 147 a truly amazing feat.

I think all the recent 6x12 installations in the US have been more standard and generally done by expats from Asia who probably have never seen a golf game.
 
It would seem you have never encountered a highly skilled pool player.

Just try an adventure in the frozen north of the US of A. If you can locate
an authentic American 6 x 12 table with the correct balls, I promise,
you will be appropriately humbled. The standard tactic of
red-black-red-black break building on an English table is a joke
compared to an American 6 x 12.

Don't even think about trying to pot on a nefarious "Golf" table.

Let us all know how it goes... please.

Dale

Dale, I grew up in Minnesota, yes its part of the frozen north in the good ol us of a. A " highly skilled pool player? " puuleease, you can go into any city or small town in the states and find 200 " highly skilled pool players " Fortunately I started first playing on a Riley before playing pool. There just is no such thing as American snooker, its a misconception, there is such a thing as the American snooker association. I have won 9-0 against a " highly skilled pool player " by the name of Mike Massey at Embassy in San Gabriele,CA the session took less than 2 hours, you can call and reach Jack Kung for verification, I also cleared 3 frames of 9-ball on a pool table against him at the Q-Club in Costa Mesa,CA. You can call and reach ROD ( the owner ) for verification, a picture of me finishing the 3rd frame is still on the wall behind the cash register. I went off the wall for both sessions, while he had a hammer head shark case housing several fancy cues valued at over $10,000.00 U S dollars. Both sessions were friendly games, but none the less a so called " highly skilled pool player " makes noooo diference on a snooker table. By the way, I wouldnt waste my precious time or energy potting on a golf table or basically any other 6x12 table ruined with pool cloth. And finally I went to Bogies in Houston,TX ( ONCE ) to check out there snooker table,...table is a well maintaned BCE, but there so called house pro ruined it with the simonis cloth. I beat 5 of the regular " highly skilled pool players " that day, and finally the last guy standing trying to act like a hustler offered to play me a lousy 50 cents a point with american pool rules, I smirked and counter-offered $1000.00 for a 5 frame game, he also just like the cowboy at Hard Times said...whats a frame? If you cant look up online the rules to snooker but you have to put a fake post on here to get attention, your just like a typical pool player trying to hustle,, you'll find that encountering a " highly skilled snooker player " wont quite work like that for you. Robert Pirtel.
 
whats a frame? lol


BTW we used to have hustlers back in the seventies over here.

Nowadays they take all your money, cue, mobile phone the lot and all they use is a 3/4 butt.....




...... as a cosh.
 
Dale, I grew up in Minnesota, yes its part of the frozen north in the good ol us of a. A " highly skilled pool player? " puuleease, you can go into any city or small town in the states and find 200 " highly skilled pool players " Fortunately I started first playing on a Riley before playing pool. There just is no such thing as American snooker, its a misconception, there is such a thing as the American snooker association. I have won 9-0 against a " highly skilled pool player " by the name of Mike Massey at Embassy in San Gabriele,CA the session took less than 2 hours, you can call and reach Jack Kung for verification, I also cleared 3 frames of 9-ball on a pool table against him at the Q-Club in Costa Mesa,CA. You can call and reach ROD ( the owner ) for verification, a picture of me finishing the 3rd frame is still on the wall behind the cash register. I went off the wall for both sessions, while he had a hammer head shark case housing several fancy cues valued at over $10,000.00 U S dollars. Both sessions were friendly games, but none the less a so called " highly skilled pool player " makes noooo diference on a snooker table. By the way, I wouldnt waste my precious time or energy potting on a golf table or basically any other 6x12 table ruined with pool cloth. And finally I went to Bogies in Houston,TX ( ONCE ) to check out there snooker table,...table is a well maintaned BCE, but there so called house pro ruined it with the simonis cloth. I beat 5 of the regular " highly skilled pool players " that day, and finally the last guy standing trying to act like a hustler offered to play me a lousy 50 cents a point with american pool rules, I smirked and counter-offered $1000.00 for a 5 frame game, he also just like the cowboy at Hard Times said...whats a frame? If you cant look up online the rules to snooker but you have to put a fake post on here to get attention, your just like a typical pool player trying to hustle,, you'll find that encountering a " highly skilled snooker player " wont quite work like that for you. Robert Pirtel.

Tell me princess, why the hissy fit.

Let's start with some facts vs your fantasy.

1. I happen to know the rules to "real" Snooker, thank you very much.
I even whacked out a few practice frames in merry old England(London)
once in an earlier life.

2. Fake post for attention... It's obvious to the most casual of observers
that you are indeed the resident expert in that department. Please, let's
hear a few more macho stories of all the great players that can't hold a
candle to you.

How could you have grown up in Minn. and never have seen an American
6 x 12. Cloth is not the issue - it's the pockets stupid<not the economy>.
Standard, as in not a modified for golf, tables have much tighter pockets.
But mostly the severe rounding of the cushion that makes them play so
much more difficultly than English pockets. And, how could you possibly
not know there are in fact American tables and an American game.
Would you conclude Korean Billiards doesn't exist because it is not the
same as the game played in Europe?

3. The fantasy that a pool player couldn't possibly play Snooker reminds me of
some 3 Cushion enthusiasts, who sadly are just as big a fool as you.
They proclaim that Pool and Snooker are games only for children because,
wait for it "anybody can learn to knock a ball into a pocket".
Your attitude is flat preposterous. Does the name Tom Kollins ring any
bells with you. Let's ask him if he thinks Dallas West might have been
able to pot the odd ball on occasion?

FWIW - back in the 70s, Willie Mosconi did an exhibition tour in England
with a formmer English champion. Granted, the level of play is much
higher today than it was then. But Willie was a good 25 YEARS past
his prime, had played miniscule amounts of Snooker, and may very well
have never even seen an English table.
So, after a few matches to get on to the equipment - Willie crushed
the English champ in the second half of the tour.

Dale(100% authentic post for 11 years)
 
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Dale -

i don't want to be involved in any heated discussions but I am interested in the differences in the pockets between the two table types as I have never seen an American style snooker table. I am a long time pool player who plays snooker occasionally since I moved to Asia. To me pool and snooker are different games on different equipment and a lot of the skills required to play well are different.

Could you describe the American pockets in more detail or, as a real favor, take a picture of a corner pocket with two balls in the opening as far as they will go.

I am just curious.

Thanks
 
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Tell me princess, why the hissy fit.

Let's start with some facts vs your fantasy.

1. I happen to know the rules to "real" Snooker, thank you very much.
I even whacked out a few practice frames in merry old England(London)
once in an earlier life.

2. Fake post for attention... It's obvious to the most casual of observers
that you are indeed the resident expert in that department. Please, let's
hear a few more macho stories of all the great players that can't hold a
candle to you.

How could you have grown up in Minn. and never have seen an American
6 x 12. Cloth is not the issue - it's the pockets stupid<not the economy>.
Standard, as in not a modified for golf, tables have much tighter pockets.
But mostly the severe rounding of the cushion that makes them play so
much more difficultly than English pockets. And, how could you possibly
not know there are in fact American tables and an American game.
Would you conclude Korean Billiards doesn't exist because it is not the
same as the game played in Europe?

3. The fantasy that a pool player couldn't possibly play Snooker reminds me of
some 3 Cushion enthusiasts, who sadly are just as big a fool as you.
They proclaim that Pool and Snooker are games only for children because,
wait for it "anybody can learn to knock a ball into a pocket".
Your attitude is flat preposterous. Does the name Tom Kollins ring any
bells with you. Let's ask him if he thinks Dallas West might have been
able to pot the odd ball on occasion?

FWIW - back in the 70s, Willie Mosconi did an exhibition tour in England
with a formmer English champion. Granted, the level of play is much
higher today than it was then. But Willie was a good 25 YEARS past
his prime, had played miniscule amounts of Snooker, and may very well
have never even seen an English table.
So, after a few matches to get on to the equipment - Willie crushed
the English champ in the second half of the tour.

Dale(100% authentic post for 11 years)
Come on now, no
American pool player has ever lagitimately beat a snooker champ at snooker lol. Anyways I'd be glad to cretique your overall game. Let me know when your ready:)
 
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