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Will someone please go slap whoever is in charge of streaming @ galveston
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That's cool. I'll keep checking back in.
let me give you some insight buddy, because you obviously have absolutely no understanding of the implications or the tremendous insult that this production places on the pool world, and professional pool players specifically.
First, if I were a sponsor of this event, I would be unbelievably furious because the poor production directly translates into lost money for me. I'm not a sponsor personally, but I support a lot of them and I sympathize with the fact that pool is a dying sport and most pool related companies are struggling in a big big way.
That plays into the bigger overarching point that you clearly missed. This event has been touted as a step forward for pool in general. It is supposed to be the next big thing, and from reading some posts about the quality of play... it sounds like it will be the next big thing.
Nothing in this world is free. As I stated in my original post, there is financial reason behind streaming this event for free... namely a higher level of exposure for sponsors and an higher level of exposure for professional players. Higher awareness and interest in pool directly translates into higher purses, better sponsorship deals, and more recognition for pool players who have a vested interest in the game.
I am not a professional player, but I do dedicate a big part of my life to it. It is a true passion of mine and I have an emotional bond with the success of demise of pool... perhaps for selfish reasons, but I like to think not. I idolize guys like Efren and Earl... they deserve much better because they are 1 in a billion talents and deserve the rewards for their hard work and their genetic gifts.
Are you satisfied with the production of the stream? Do you think that good planning went into the production? Would you say that production is fitting to the level of play? I think we can all agree that it is nowhere near there.
If I'm trying to expand a market, the pool market, you don't do it by showing your new potential market that the pool world is filled with a bunch of unprofessional nits who do not plan things the way they should be planned.
I'm not suggesting that this event is a total bust, I'm only making a comment on the production of the stream.
You want to lob personal insults? Go for it. No sweat off my back, I don't know you and that attitude you have seems pretty indicative of your geographic location anyways.
"We are missing them because we are not attending the event."
Now let me follow your logic there pal... if people can watch the Superbowl for free (which they can)... do you think that it is fitting for it to be broadcast by one guy who doesn't know what he's doing with the lowest quality camera possibly available? I mean, that's what we are supposed to be watching here right... the Superbowl of pool... or at least something close to it. When I think Efren vs. Jose Parica in one pocket.. that's about as close to world class as you can get.
Do you think that the NFL, the players, the owners or the fans would be satisfied with a subpar production because it's free and people who are upset are just ungrateful *****s?
No, sir... I find your point of view insulting to the world of pool. I find your absolute inability to recognize that pool deserves something better insulting and puke inducing. I get angry and upset when I see people who don't know what they are doing trying to represent billiards to the world, when none of us want that image to be conveyed.
So are you going to continue to be satisfied with the status quo, sir? Are you going to be happy with what you have because it's free? That sounds pretty ass backwards to me.
These people who produced this deserved the benefit of the doubt up until the point it was time for them to put up.
Let me say again, there are some great things happening in Galveston this week... but they are not capitalizing on the opportunity like they should. They are letting the professionals down... the guys who live off nothing for the love of the game. The world class talents that should be making millions, but have to play for tiny purses in front of webcams with less than 1000 viewers... it's a shame and it's because people like the producers of this stream cannot get their shit together.
There is no excuse for a stream that low in quality. This is a million dollar event! Right?!?!?! Bigtruck doesn't have a million dollars. TAR doesn't either! Their production is 1 million times better than this, and all they had to do was figure out how to do it properly... test things. It is clear that this was put together at the last minute and things were not tested.
Again. I'm insulted. I'm sick. I'm pissed. It shouldn't have to be this way... it is because of nits like you who are satisfied with sub par.
Bigtruck graciously gives the camerawork a c or a b.. I give it a D now that it has improved. The pool world should be satisfied with nothing less than an A.. period.
The commentating is great, the talent is fantastic... the production is absolute garbage.
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oh, and let me take a guess where you thought I got my sense of entitlement. You see a young guy in the picture.. you imagine some young dumb ass punk who just trolls forums to complain about everything.
That's not me, I'm a very well educated man in my late 20s, I'm in graduate school... and I'm very very good at producing "refined" arguments.
Perhaps it is you that needs to refine your logic and rethink your stance.
I don't take this issue lightly and I certainly don't take personal insults lightly.
If you think you can come up with a good counter argument... then let's hear it.
Try not to forget that i've been very optimistic about this event and I would be there if I could afford it or could find the time. I also want to reemphasize that I think some great things are going on down there... and a lot of not so great things.
Now get off your damn yankee high horse and contribute something of value rather than judge me personally based on false and frankly asinine assumptions that only illustrate your ignorance.
i didn't suggest a lynch mob be formed, you are clearly distorting my words.
I suggested someone slap the guy over the head to get his mind right... and of course that is not an actual suggestion, it is tongue in cheek. It is about getting these morons out of the drivers seat. The post is about being sick and tired of it and not taking it anymore. Sometimes being nice doesn't cut it! Sometimes being angry is the only way to get things done and make people realize this isn't a small issue... this is a big one.
And you focused on an entirely different issue in your original criticism.. which was the fact that I was an irrationally entitled punk. You clearly do not understand the meaning behind the post... as I've now illustrated.
So ya.. I'm pissed. I'm going to spit venom. I don't really give a damn if you like it or not.
me too...
i am very glad to have the live feed, and the matched...but i am quite disappointed in the quality. i probably wouldn't be if they hadn't made this into such a big deal, with such lofty expectations. with all the buildup they should have done MUCH better. but alas, it's nice to see SOMETHING! lol.
tip for next year, (if there is) try doing some streaming from the ACTION ROOM! i'd MUCH rather see the guys playing for the stew, then in a tourney. a little afterhours action viewing never hurt anyone...except the loser, lol.
i am very glad to have the live feed, and the matched...but i am quite disappointed in the quality. i probably wouldn't be if they hadn't made this into such a big deal, with such lofty expectations. with all the buildup they should have done MUCH better. but alas, it's nice to see SOMETHING! lol.
tip for next year, (if there is) try doing some streaming from the ACTION ROOM! i'd MUCH rather see the guys playing for the stew, then in a tourney. a little afterhours action viewing never hurt anyone...except the loser, lol.
let me give you some insight buddy, because you obviously have absolutely no understanding of the implications or the tremendous insult that this production places on the pool world, and professional pool players specifically.
First, if I were a sponsor of this event, I would be unbelievably furious because the poor production directly translates into lost money for me. I'm not a sponsor personally, but I support a lot of them and I sympathize with the fact that pool is a dying sport and most pool related companies are struggling in a big big way.
That plays into the bigger overarching point that you clearly missed. This event has been touted as a step forward for pool in general. It is supposed to be the next big thing, and from reading some posts about the quality of play... it sounds like it will be the next big thing.
Nothing in this world is free. As I stated in my original post, there is financial reason behind streaming this event for free... namely a higher level of exposure for sponsors and an higher level of exposure for professional players. Higher awareness and interest in pool directly translates into higher purses, better sponsorship deals, and more recognition for pool players who have a vested interest in the game.
I am not a professional player, but I do dedicate a big part of my life to it. It is a true passion of mine and I have an emotional bond with the success of demise of pool... perhaps for selfish reasons, but I like to think not. I idolize guys like Efren and Earl... they deserve much better because they are 1 in a billion talents and deserve the rewards for their hard work and their genetic gifts.
Are you satisfied with the production of the stream? Do you think that good planning went into the production? Would you say that production is fitting to the level of play? I think we can all agree that it is nowhere near there.
If I'm trying to expand a market, the pool market, you don't do it by showing your new potential market that the pool world is filled with a bunch of unprofessional nits who do not plan things the way they should be planned.
I'm not suggesting that this event is a total bust, I'm only making a comment on the production of the stream.
You want to lob personal insults? Go for it. No sweat off my back, I don't know you and that attitude you have seems pretty indicative of your geographic location anyways.
"We are missing them because we are not attending the event."
Now let me follow your logic there pal... if people can watch the Superbowl for free (which they can)... do you think that it is fitting for it to be broadcast by one guy who doesn't know what he's doing with the lowest quality camera possibly available? I mean, that's what we are supposed to be watching here right... the Superbowl of pool... or at least something close to it. When I think Efren vs. Jose Parica in one pocket.. that's about as close to world class as you can get.
Do you think that the NFL, the players, the owners or the fans would be satisfied with a subpar production because it's free and people who are upset are just ungrateful *****s?
No, sir... I find your point of view insulting to the world of pool. I find your absolute inability to recognize that pool deserves something better insulting and puke inducing. I get angry and upset when I see people who don't know what they are doing trying to represent billiards to the world, when none of us want that image to be conveyed.
So are you going to continue to be satisfied with the status quo, sir? Are you going to be happy with what you have because it's free? That sounds pretty ass backwards to me.
These people who produced this deserved the benefit of the doubt up until the point it was time for them to put up.
Let me say again, there are some great things happening in Galveston this week... but they are not capitalizing on the opportunity like they should. They are letting the professionals down... the guys who live off nothing for the love of the game. The world class talents that should be making millions, but have to play for tiny purses in front of webcams with less than 1000 viewers... it's a shame and it's because people like the producers of this stream cannot get their shit together.
There is no excuse for a stream that low in quality. This is a million dollar event! Right?!?!?! Bigtruck doesn't have a million dollars. TAR doesn't either! Their production is 1 million times better than this, and all they had to do was figure out how to do it properly... test things. It is clear that this was put together at the last minute and things were not tested.
Again. I'm insulted. I'm sick. I'm pissed. It shouldn't have to be this way... it is because of nits like you who are satisfied with sub par.
Bigtruck graciously gives the camerawork a c or a b.. I give it a D now that it has improved. The pool world should be satisfied with nothing less than an A.. period.
The commentating is great, the talent is fantastic... the production is absolute garbage.
If you are capable of producing refined arguments and are yourself refined, then show it in your style of communication. Your comments are not tongue-in-cheek, just disrespectful of the many who've invested time and money into the production event.
If you reread my posts, you'll find that I have only objected to what you wrote and how you wrote it. I have not drawn any conclusions about you, though I maintain my view that your unrefined post, if intended as feedback, is unfortunate.
... and, please, don't address me as if I'm some kind of clueless moron unschooled in the realities of pool's landscape. I graduated form an Ivy League School and retired at 50 after a successful career in finance. I am a frequent financer of pro pool events, have sponsored professional players and local exhibitions, and I have served as an officer of pro pool organizations.
I made it clear in my second post that I had no problem with most of the content of your feedback or any of your underlying reasoning for wanting better, but as somebody who intermittently finances pro pool events, I can tell you first-hand that the likelihood of my further investment will always be reduced by the rantings of those who offer the kind of unrefined feedback that you thought appropriate.
If you are active in our sport, I thank you for any and all contributions of time and money you have made. If you are not, it seems you have the passion for it, so you should consider getting involved. I hope, as you do, that there are better times ahead for the sport we both love.
I think that, after all is said and done, we both want the same thing and have the same dreams for pool, so let's drop it right here. No offense taken on my part, and none intended, for I admire you for your passion about pool.
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Can somebody post a link to the stream? I'm having trouble finding it..
pwd, I think this is it, but it's not live yet: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/inside-pool-and-billiards
i agree we both want the same thing, we just disagree with what level of passion and emotion are necessary to get things to change.
I also disagree with the idea that I'm disrespecting those who spent time and money planning the event. My contention would be that very little time and a questionable amount of money were spent on the production of the stream. It is in that very misrepresentation that I am disgusted... so the people who were in charge of the production, in my opinion, don't deserve any respect until they've earned it. They only deserve our anger for spitting on a great opportunity. That is the only thing I have a problem with, I can't possibly comment on any other part of the event because... as you said, I am not there to experience it (unfortunately).
To me, this is like inviting the Queen of England to your house, she actually miraculously accepts because you have promised her the best meal she has ever eaten. She then shows up, you sit her down at a picnic table, go to the freezer and heat up a TV dinner and serve it to her. It's insulting and I don't see how you can see it any differently than that.
I don't really care that you went to an Ivy league school and I am not talking down to you. I went to a school that is ranked higher than virtually every Ivy League school (Duke), so let's call it a wash. It's not a competition anyways.
I still defend my level of emotion and disgust because you and I fundamentally disagree that these people deserve some type of respect. In my world, respect is earned. People should be given the benefit of the doubt until they are given the chance to act. If they cannot deliver on what is promised and have mislead people to believe otherwise, they deserve whatever criticism that comes their way. This is especially true for people who CLEARLY did not put in the effort that was CLEARLY necessary to pull it off. This is not the same as someone making a first attempt where big mistakes are to be expected and forgiven.. no this was supposed to be a world class professional event.
Efren deserves better. Period.
That's it, guys. Stop it! This is ridiculous.
The quality of the stream is a tad bit better today.
Camera is still tilted and you can't see all of the corner pocket. Once again easy fix for someone to go and move it an inch.
Well streaming is in a beginning mode compared to what we see on real tv, and most of the streamer do not have the equipment that say ESPN has or the number of camera at an event.
It's not your level of emotion and disgust that I have a problem with, for they are consequences of your perspective on this matter, and you are entitled to your opinion, which you have shown to be an informed one.
In my world, you don't have to earn the right to be communicated with in a civil, polite manner. In my world, that's something people, whether or not I have met them, like or hate them, agree or disagree with them, have already earned, and it's a right they will retain for as long as they live. Yes, that's a type of respect, so I strongly disagree with you. Even so, you are entitled to your opinion that only some communications should be conducted in a respectful manner. Yes, we have a fundamental difference on this point.
Anyway, let's put the matter to bed, and focus on the betterment of our sport, to which we are both deeply committed.
The stream quality seems to be improving. Its light years ahead of what they did Efren v Parica.
One thing I think the Galveston crew could do to greatly improve their feed is to stop using the overhead camera so much. Look at how accustats does it. They rarely use that overhead view, its just not very good for watching pool.
One thing I think the Galveston crew could do to greatly improve their feed is to stop using the overhead camera so much. Look at how accustats does it. They rarely use that overhead view, its just not very good for watching pool.
mE thiNk streem OK, liked wacchting.