Win One for the Gipper

JAM

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President Ronald Reagan is tagged fondly as "The Gipper" as the result of his movie portrayal of Notre Dames’ legendary football player. The nickname is so firmly attached to the President that the real Gipper is nearly forgotten. His name was George Gipp.

George Gipp's beginnings were humble. He grew up in the rough mining area of Michigan's Upper Peninsula, spending most of his time shooting pool and playing semi-pro baseball. On weekends he drove a taxi, shuttling drunken copper miners to the local whorehouse. Three years after he dropped out of high school, Gipp was offered a baseball scholarship to Notre Dame and was accepted as a "conditional freshman."

From One for the Gipper: The Original Story:
He also frequented the pool halls and other low joints of South Bend.

A hangout called Hullie & Mikes became his second home. He once said, “I’m the finest free-lance gambler ever to attend Notre Dame.”

“He never gambled with other students, though his crap-shooting skills helped pay the way through Notre Dame for more than a few of his friends. I’ve seen him win $500 in a crap game then spend his winnings buying meals for destitute families in South Bend.”

Gipp cut so many classes in 1919 he was kicked out of school. He took a job as a house player at Hullie & Mikes gambling emporium.


From Irish Legends.com:
"Off the field, Gipp was an incorrigible card player and billiards shark. In an era when billiards was a "gentleman's pastime" played in ornate hotel lobbies, like that of The Oliver in South Bend, IN., Gipp took on every challenger and beat them all. Frequently he'd leave Notre Dame for weeks at a time to play in billiards tournaments, or for marathon card games.

From Sports Illustrated:
Gipp also lived off campus in a luxurious hotel and earned almost all of his money by gambling on billiards and cards.

From Sports Illustrated Vault:
Gipp was an extraordinarily gifted athlete who was also adept at poker, pool, billiards and burning the candle at both ends. He had little interest in press reviews or money. It was winning and the brash gambles winning requires that he fancied.

One for the Gipper: The Original Story:
“Nobody around South Bend could beat him at faro, shooting pool, billiards, poker or bridge. He studied the percentages in dice rolling and could fade those bones in a way that made professionals dizzy. At three-pocket pool, he was the terror of the parlors.

What the heck is "three pocket pool"?

From CityPaper-dot-net, A Protracted Legend From an Era Before Sports Writers Got Nasty:
Open up any sports page and every columnist is screaming about how the world of sports has turned into a cesspool. Each athlete is depicted as a semi-literate greedhead with one hand on a crack pipe and the other hand down the pants of his teammate's wife. Sportswriters now hide in locker rooms, crouched in a confrontational stance and ready to strike against any perceived moral infraction, like a born-again minister barging in on a circle jerk. The irony is that today's players are no worse than their gambling, drunkard athletic forefathers who were protected and mythologized by sportswriters. The disgruntled nature of modern sports journalism is inexplicable. Why are these writers so angry?

As part of his scholarship, Gipp waited tables in Bronson Hall. This job, however, merely covered room and board. To meet his other expenses, Gipp earned money shooting pool in downtown South Bend. Pool became so lucrative that Gipp quit his piddling waiter's job after one semester. Eventually, he moved off campus to South Bend's Oliver Hotel, a luxury palace known for its high stakes gambling. He would periodically travel to Elkhart, Indiana to relieve railroad workers of their paychecks through either pool or poker. Keep in perspective that these hustling trips occurred in the middle of a glamorous headline-grabbing college career, which is analogous to Rasheed Wallace setting up a three-card monte table in Rittenhouse Square.

Gipp's gambling wasn't limited to cards and billiards: He also bet on his own football games, which was then customary in college football. (Funny how you don't hear sportscasters lamenting the loss of this tradition.)


Well, I'm just passing the time, I guess, this Sunday morning digging up a little bit of pool trivia I had not read before. Next time I say "Win One for the Gipper," it will definitely put a smile on my face. :D
 

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Good stuff, JAM...

Thoughtful and well written as always. Thanks for posting this.
 
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three-pocket was on old-time version of one-pocket , where each player would get two corner pockets on one (long) side of the table , along with the opposite side .
Like many other variants , it died out over the years
 
three-pocket was on old-time version of one-pocket , where each player would get two corner pockets on one (long) side of the table , along with the opposite side .
Like many other variants , it died out over the years

Are you kidding me? I've never heard of this game. :eek:
 
Are you kidding me? I've never heard of this game. :eek:

I've heard of 3-pocket but I never knew the rules. Always figured it was like one pocket but one side of the table instead. So, you get the opposite side pocket, interesting.
 
for true . it's one of many games I was taught by an old-time player , Stuball Paulsen , years ago . How about Polish Pool ? That's the one nobody ever played that Stu liked to settle in on . . . .
 
for true . it's one of many games I was taught by an old-time player , Stuball Paulsen , years ago . How about Polish Pool ? That's the one nobody ever played that Stu liked to settle in on . . . .
Polish Pool.......never heard of that one.
Hmmm ...one of the billiard writers ought to do a story about all the old or seldom played games that exist. I almost never see or hear about 3 players opting to play cut throat anymore.
 
Polish Pool.......never heard of that one.
Hmmm ...one of the billiard writers ought to do a story about all the old or seldom played games that exist. I almost never see or hear about 3 players opting to play cut throat anymore.

Learned something new today: A variant using only three balls, generally played such that the player at turn continues shooting until all the balls are pocketed, and the player to do so in the fewest shots wins. The game can be played by two or more players. Dispenses with some fouls common to both nine- and eight-ball.

Actually, I think I've seen this game played in the hills of Tennessee when I was on the road in my younger life. It was one way to squeeze more games out of 25 cents that was inserted in the bar tables. :D

Well, that's "three-ball" and not "three-pocket." :o

Check out one of the racking styles for three-ball.

Three Ball according to Wikipedia
 

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Learned something new today: A variant using only three balls, generally played such that the player at turn continues shooting until all the balls are pocketed, and the player to do so in the fewest shots wins. The game can be played by two or more players. Dispenses with some fouls common to both nine- and eight-ball.

Actually, I think I've seen this game played in the hills of Tennessee when I was on the road in my younger life. It was one way to squeeze more games out of 25 cents that was inserted in the bar tables. :D

Well, that's "three-ball" and not "three-pocket." :o

Check out one of the racking styles for three-ball.

Three Ball according to Wikipedia

That's 3ball , and thats a HUGE gambling game in the southeast . Way we play balls are usually racked in the first three positions of the rack . tho , not in a line . Players ante up dollar each , every player gets to shoot at 1 rack of balls , scores recorded on chalkboard . 3 shots (including break) or lower needed to win , unless round ends in tie . If round has no winner , or ends in tie , all players ante again , repeat.
This is also played as a carnival game , where contestants pay $1 per chance , get one chance to get 3 or below to win prize . Carnies make it look easy . . . . it ain't !
 
Fun Gipper fact

And like me, he was a proud "Yooper" (Calumet, MI).
And this just about explains it all...:thumbup:
Tommy
 
You too eehh? Ex-Gwynn here. "say ya to do u.p. Ya aye" or something like that. Great story Jam!

Thanks. I try to contribute to this forum, but I'm not sure why anymore. :(

BTW, my brother is traveling cross country, and night before last, he had to get to Joliet, where he has reserved a hotel room for the night. OMG! He said he traveled one mile every 20 minutes in that area for about 4 hours. :grin-square:

Long live the legend of the Gipper. It's a great story, and the fact that he was an action player makes it even cooler for me! :wink:
 
Thanks. I try to contribute to this forum, but I'm not sure why anymore. :(

BTW, my brother is traveling cross country, and night before last, he had to get to Joliet, where he has reserved a hotel room for the night. OMG! He said he traveled one mile every 20 minutes in that area for about 4 hours. :grin-square:

Long live the legend of the Gipper. It's a great story, and the fact that he was an action player makes it even cooler for me! :wink:

Yeah, traffic around the Chicago area ( much like NY or LA) sucks especially around the Indiana border. If he needs any action around this area let me know
 
Hunh?? Wassup JAM? Somebody pickin on you or you just bored? :confused:

Naw, nobody's picking on me. :grin-square:

I get disgusted with pool politics, truth be told. You got a guy like Kevin Trudeau who invested tens of millions of dollars in pool, and he's a bad guy. Yet, the drug dealer stakehorse or the con man who ripped off innocents are considered the good guys by the same ones who think Kevin Trudeau is a bad guy. This just doesn't make any sense to me.

That's why I enjoy hidden pool tidbits like this about the Gipper. It takes me back to a time that I would like to know more about. It's a shame that there's not more written about George Gipp's pool exploits. I did read somewhere that his father was billiards player. Pool has no archives, so to speak, and most of what is known comes from word of mouth. I would really like to know more about Gipp's gambling while he was at Notre Dame. I'm not sure why, but it's fascinating to me. :D
 
Naw, nobody's picking on me. :grin-square:

I get disgusted with pool politics, truth be told. You got a guy like Kevin Trudeau who invested tens of millions of dollars in pool, and he's a bad guy. Yet, the drug dealer stakehorse or the con man who ripped off innocents are considered the good guys by the same ones who think Kevin Trudeau is a bad guy. This just doesn't make any sense to me.

That's why I enjoy hidden pool tidbits like this about the Gipper. It takes me back to a time that I would like to know more about. It's a shame that there's not more written about George Gipp's pool exploits. I did read somewhere that his father was billiards player. Pool has no archives, so to speak, and most of what is known comes from word of mouth. I would really like to know more about Gipp's gambling while he was at Notre Dame. I'm not sure why, but it's fascinating to me. :D

AW....that's not just pool. Society has gotten to the point that some root for the successful guy to fail or have come to expect the worst from any endeavor.I supported Trudeau's attempt but I knew odds of it being successful were at best..... doubtful. Some don't like that he was in it for the money. Well, I don't think he made any. I wish others trying anything similar best of luck. As to people committing crimes, that's just how it is now. Proclaim the criminal a sympathetic victim and forget about the real victims of the actual crime.We had a guy commit multiple murders here in Louisiana, death sentence changed to life, served many years, said he was sorry and wrote a book. He got a pardon, they say he's reformed. Maybe he is.....my question was what about the people he killed and those left behind. :shrug::scratchhead:


Anyways...having you come up with little known stories like George Gipp is always a good thing.:)
 
AW....that's not just pool. Society has gotten to the point that some root for the successful guy to fail or have come to expect the worst from any endeavor.I supported Trudeau's attempt but I knew odds of it being successful were at best..... doubtful. Some don't like that he was in it for the money. Well, I don't think he made any. I wish others trying anything similar best of luck. As to people committing crimes, that's just how it is now. Proclaim the criminal a sympathetic victim and forget about the real victims of the actual crime.We had a guy commit multiple murders here in Louisiana, death sentence changed to life, served many years, said he was sorry and wrote a book. He got a pardon, they say he's reformed. Maybe he is.....my question was what about the people he killed and those left behind. :shrug::scratchhead:

I know that what you write is the doggone truth. It's a hard pill to swallow for me sometimes.

tbeaux said:
Anyways...having you come up with little known stories like George Gipp is always a good thing.:)

More Gipp Smut! :D

Gipp's winnings, however, helped put some of his friends through college.

"I've seen him win $500 in a crap game and then spend his winnings buying meals for destitute families," Bergman said.


Bergman was Gipp's roommate at Notre Dame, and $500 in the 1920s was a lot of dough! :eek:

Bergman also recalled that Gipp ignored curfew, drank and smoked heavily, and often stayed up all night carousing or playing cards.

In 1920, Walter O'Keefe of the South Bend News-Times saw him stumble out of a hotel elevator the morning of the Purdue game, "unshaven, sleepy-eyed, and downright soggy." That afternoon Gipp rushed for 129 yards, including an 80-yard touchdown run."


Reminds me of somebody else I know. :o

Source: The Gipper Gambled After All
 
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