winning 1 pocket

[JoeyA]

SQUERVE: Squirt + Swerve - different for different shafts.

You do realize the shot is rail first?

you could use Center Left and pocket the 4, I couldnt gurentee the same result however.. My reasoning was I want as much spin off the rail as possible, the low with side seems to dig into the rail more, for whatever reason.


SPINDOKTOR

The reason it seems to dig into the rail more is because you are applying swerve (when you hit low-side) which is in essence a small curve or mini-masse. The cue ball is traveling to the object ball on the rail more from the side when you use low-side rather than straight at the edge of the object ball when you are using side only. The side spin by itself provides little if any swerve so you have to aim closer to the cue ball due to the cue ball squirt and lack of swerve.

Firm believer that low some shafts squirt the cue ball less but still haven't come to a conclusion if the absence of squirt is a good thing or a bad thing.
JoeyA

Dr. Cue has a nice youtube instructional about this subject: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgvNSoFIbv4&feature=related

 

[BPG24]

You do realize the shot is rail first?

you could use Center Left and pocket the 4, I couldnt gurentee the same result however.. My reasoning was I want as much spin off the rail as possible, the low with side seems to dig into the rail more, for whatever reason.


Im not some one pocket expert, I am a novice at the game, as I have played very little, as I study the game and I find winning situations I'll post them here.. I want to do this to get a differnt perspective from one pocket players to help me understand the game better. I have no one really close to teach me, so Im using Az as a resource.

Here is another situation where I won, and they guy refused to ever play me again.. I needed 1 ball to win, and this match seemed like it took forever, I needed 1 ball for the longest time, this guy had beat me previously and I hadnt missed a ball any game we had played, he played seriously tough safties and I was tired of the back and forth game so I went for it. I had made this shot before on the rail, for money, so I knew the shot, and it is easier off the rail. I used center ball..

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SPINDOKTOR

I said in the first post that if you went rail first, it would change the angle...

But if the ball is frozen then you can't really go rail first, you have to hit them at the same time...
Well, you can but it makes the shot less likely to go in....

 

[Pushout]

Im prepared to video any of these shots, I wouldnt post any shot I havent made or cant make, just pay the shipping.
SPINDOKTOR

Didn't mean to insinuate that you didn't make the shot as diagrammed. I am curious as to how you could hit the shot, as you now say, rail first, and come out from the rail and hit the other two balls. Still seems as if the low left would make the ball come off the bottom rail toward the left side of the table. How much speed was on the shot? It seems like you would have to hit it really soft and hit the ball on the rail very full to get that kind of result. Or maybe, very hard?? Again, I'm not up to par and probably won't try it again for a week or so.

 

[BPG24]

Didn't mean to insinuate that you didn't make the shot as diagrammed. I am curious as to how you could hit the shot, as you now say, rail first, and come out from the rail and hit the other two balls. Still seems as if the low left would make the ball come off the bottom rail toward the left side of the table. How much speed was on the shot? It seems like you would have to hit it really soft and hit the ball on the rail very full to get that kind of result. Or maybe, very hard?? Again, I'm not up to par and probably won't try it again for a week or so.

i don't get it either......

He refuses to answer the question.... You are correct though, low left would create a bigger angle than what is shown by the diagram

 

[AZE]

For that second shot you posted, I'm glad the out-come came out good, but look at how many times you could've scratched + if you miss the ball you might sell out an easy bank leaving that cue ball there.
I can't tell what it would exactly look like on a real table, but it looks like you might have this shot if you can dig in and stick the cue-ball:

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If you can't really stick the cue then this isn't that great -- and really if you only need one ball then you should protect your lead at all costs, and something (not necessarily this) like this would be a better shot.

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[SPINDOKTOR]

For that second shot you posted, I'm glad the out-come came out good, but look at how many times you could've scratched + if you miss the ball you might sell out an easy bank leaving that cue ball there.
I can't tell what it would exactly look like on a real table, but it looks like you might have this shot if you can dig in and stick the cue-ball:

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If you can't really stick the cue then this isn't that great -- and really if you only need one ball then you should protect your lead at all costs, and something (not necessarily this) like this would be a better shot.

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Yes, I agree, thats why I added an explanation, I wanted to beat this guy more than anything, I realized I had an oportunity to go for the win and took it.




I didnt want to say but yes I agree low with side normaly would widen the angle, believe it or not but the shot was preformed using a house cue with a slip on tip 14mm maybe? . I had quit playing for the evening and the guy wanted a quick game, so I grabbed a house cue. I should have set the shot up again and shot it with my normal playing cue before I posted.. I appologize, you may need to go higher on the cue ball to get the same effect.


The sole purpose is to help, and be helped, if you cant make this shot we'll figure it out, and like I said I will video the shot for you if need be, Im learning if somehow I might be able to help someone in the process it makes my time at the table much more enjoyable...


My intent with this thread is winning, what situations have you won from? do you always need to play safe? or is there a winning shot we can practice? Knowing is half the battle, and I now very little about the game..



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[Aaron_S]

right here you're actually in perfect position to shoot one of the favorite 1P shots among players:

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Now am I going to get called crazy for this one?

I like this shot a lot, but I wonder if the angle is really there for it. The times I have been successful with this shot, I had BIH and positioned the cb on the head string within about a half-diamond of the center line. The position diagrammed here is close to being 1 diamond from the center, and, while I'm sure the shot could be made from there, I wonder if you are taking a risk of letting the 13 bank across to your opponent's side if you try to draw the cb back to the upper-right portion of the table (which would require a slightly off-center hit) and hit it hard enough to give the 9-ball a chance of two-railing. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it won't work, I just haven't tried it from that angle, and I think I would be concerned about that 13 ball getting loose.

Aaron

 

[Bob Jewett]

I like this shot a lot, but I wonder if the angle is really there for it. ...

No, it's not. With that angle on the cue ball, it's impossible to make the head ball straight in and bring the cue ball along that line (without an amazing masse shot). I think you only need ten or fifteen minutes with the double spot shot to understand why.

 

[klockdoc]

No, it's not. With that angle on the cue ball, it's impossible to make the head ball straight in and bring the cue ball along that line (without an amazing masse shot). I think you only need ten or fifteen minutes with the double spot shot to understand why.

I like this shot a lot, but I wonder if the angle is really there for it.

Bob and Aaron

A while back, Cornerman posted this shot and the ability to make it using the "peace sign". (the 30 degree angle).

He pointed one finger of his "peace sign" to the pocket and where the other finger pointed, that was his aim point.

I don't know if this works or not, but, here is the thread link.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=74858&highlight=secret+shot

It appears that the aim point would be about 1 1/2 diamonds from the pocket bringing the cue ball back to about 1 diamond below the side pocket.

 

[Bob Jewett]

Bob and Aaron

A while back, Cornerman posted this shot and the ability to make it using the "peace sign". (the 30 degree angle).

He pointed one finger of his "peace sign" to the pocket and where the other finger pointed, that was his aim point.

I don't know if this works or not, ...

It doesn't, as he pointed out later himself. The double spot shot is a special case of the "ten times fuller" system which applies to frozen kiss shots and has been written about quite a bit. To make the shot, your aim of the head ball onto the short rail has to be correct within about a half an inch on the short rail. It cannot be made as shown above with the cue ball going back as shown. If you make it from there, the cue ball will end up on the lower side of the table.