Mickey is correct. Turns out I was using an incompletes source for players. I didn't have Mickey originally. After checking again, I found six players in total in this select group.Krause
Mickey is correct. Turns out I was using an incompletes source for players. I didn't have Mickey originally. After checking again, I found six players in total in this select group.Krause
No invite to the WPC.Sevastyanov?
I agree. And I love pool for over 40 years now. And I respect and watch pro players. And I’m ok with any sport or hobby being played anywhere yet I usually have little to no interest in watching or reading about anything that happens in another country. I’m not even sure why I feel that way but I don’t see me changing that feeling.I hate to generalize too much, but to me it's always felt like Americans underestimate the popularity of sport in other regions of the world. We tend to not see much outside of our borders.
Soccer > Football
Cricket > Baseball
F1 > NASCAR
Yes…yes…yes…it should LEAN into its roots a LOT MORE!Barry Hearn has pretty consistently positioned himself as someone trying to professionalize cue sports, structured tours, bigger prize funds, media rights, and making it viable as a full-time career. That’s the same playbook he used in snooker and darts, make it TV-friendly, sponsor-driven, and commercially stable.
Traditional pool culture has heavy roots in action, gambling, and backroom money. Modern pro pool (especially via Matchroom Sport) is trying to look polished, sponsor-safe, and mainstream, yet many of the big-money sponsors are betting companies or gambling websites. Gambling built the culture of pool. Without that money, prize funds likely don’t jump the way players want.
Should pool lean into its roots more? Somethings needs to change if it's going to survive.
Absolutely correct.To piggyback your point about the recent Cologuard classic...one of the biggest characters of the generation in pro golf is john Daly. John Daly who smokes like a chimney, drinks like a fish, can still hit it a mile and tells great stories. Golf fans LOVE him. The biggest highlight of the recent tournament was him hitting a shot from the rough and falling and rolling down a hill...
If you sterilize pool to the point that the true characters are phased out, it would be a shame, IMO. Current players are already described as "Robots" when it comes to things like stroke mechanics and pattern play.
Sure, there is a certain percentage of folks who love to hear about Fedor's latest Social Media merchandise offer, or this pro's workout regimen, or that pro's favorite drills, but I would wager there is a larger portion who loves to hear a good CJ Wiley or Keith road story, or about the time this pro scored big and the time that pro lost it all...THOSE stories are the ones that build personalities and legends that make people interested.
I suggest that you Google and listen to all the Podcasts Karim Belhaj participated in so you can hear directly from the "horse's mouth."
To be clear, I don't think Predator is trying to put the WNT out of business. Not at all. Doesn't hurt Predator at all when its top players play and do well in WNT events, as you note.Predator does not see WNT as a competitor for viewership. In fact, it is in Predator's interest to flood WNT events with all its best players so it can get free commercial for its name brand.
Wait, you have to be invited to the World Pool Championship???!!No invite to the WPC.
Was Chua one of them?Mickey is correct. Turns out I was using an incompletes source for players. I didn't have Mickey originally. After checking again, I found six players in total in this select group.
Based on the hint, I'd go with either Kledio Kaci or Jonas Souto, but I really have no idea.That’s the fourth correct pick.
The last one is harder. Hint: last year was a breakthrough year of sorts. European.
You re right, sjm, you really have no idea. You only guessed four of the six!Based on the hint, I'd go with either Kledio Kaci or Jonas Souto, but I really have no idea.
You re right, sjm, you really have no idea. You only guessed four of the six!
Souto was one of the six. The Kacis skipped Hanoi, which may have kept Kledio out of the Mosconi.
I was going to write about this, but my posts were long enough. Besides, this is the only Predator event held in tandem with a huge amateur event, and it mostly encompasses the U.S., not the entire pool world. Still, a great thing for Predator.This is the primary difference between Predator and Matchroom The events Predator produces is for the benefit of the amateurs, whose events they invariably partner with. Predator's involvement with pro pool has always kept their brand in the spotlight with the amateurs, which means sales.
At the recent Las Vegas Open, I was told that there were over 11,000 amateurs present participating in the bar table events played that same week in the same grand ballroom as the pros. The pro event, having free admission, not only reinforced that many of the top pros are choosing Predator, but kept Predator relevant in the minds of every amateur. Predator had sales reps and booths in the arena, too. It's pure speculation on my part, but I'll bet Predator sold a lot of product during the Las Vegas Open. Pro pool is a vehicle to bolster the sales of Predator products, and every indication is that this strategy has been a great success. Predator is selling product much more than entertainment.
I know I am a relative newbie to the game, but I am less of a fan of the fast and loose heritage of 9 ball.I also think that the use of 4" pockets in Matchroom events has robbed the game of its fast of loose heritage and, strangely enough, has made 9ball feel a lot more like 10ball than in the past.
How can you prove that Predator is responsible for clashing the dates for the Mosconi? Matchroom cannot say that the Mosconi will be in November and expect Predator to wait for the actual dates to be announced before scheduling events in November ... Karim alluded to this by saying that companies have been blocking out weeks on the calendar for an event. Obviously there needs to be better communications and willingness to avoid clashes by all parties.Oh, I have. I have. I didn't do all my research and ignore Karim. I scoured for everything he has said publicly the last five years.
Frankly, I haven't found him or Frazer very forthcoming.
To be clear, I don't think Predator is trying to put the WNT out of business. Not at all. Doesn't hurt Predator at all when its top players play and do well in WNT events, as you note.
But I also don't think Predator cares much what happens to the WNT. The company is doing what is in its own best interests.
Even if Karim says he doesn't think Predator is a competitor to the WNT, of course it is. Whenever they have clashing big events, they are competing for viewers and sponsors. Predator and WNT have clashes this year with the PLP, Florida Open and partially the Mosconi.
When the PLP was on, for instance, I mostly watched it instead of the Las Vegas event. Other fans watched the Las Vegas event.
Predator also appears to have boxed out or squeezed Matchroom in Vietnam. It scheduled an event in Bali that conflicted with the WNT Hanoi Open last year, and it would happen again this year if WNT held another in Hanoi. Once Predator realized what a jewel Vietnam was - thanks to MR - it rushed right in.
If both sides keep expanding, they will inevitably have more scheduling clashes. Predator has avoided putting events on around the time of the WPC and US Opens, but it's encroached on the Mosconi the past two years. I find that ... very curious.
Both entities are drawing money from the same narrow pool of sponsors, by and large. None of them have really deep pockets like advertisers for traditional sports. So I consider the money pool available to pro billiards as a partial zero-sum game. What one side gets is not available to others.
If the two sides cooperated more, there is definitely room for both. But the more they clash, the more something has to give, or change.
This scheduling clash was entirely on Matchroom. Las Vegas Open dates are always announced at least a year in advance. The PLP without Filler, Gorst, SVB and Shaw was a consequence of poor schedule planning by Matchroom.When the PLP was on, for instance, I mostly watched it instead of the Las Vegas event. Other fans watched the Las Vegas event.
The game has too much tactical play today. Nobody is suggesting that we go back to the looser pockets that were in vogue until about a decade ago, but 9ball on 4 1//4" pockets is, in my opinion, a better game to watch than what we are getting in WNT play. Rest assured, the game's not too easy for the pros on 4 1/4" pockets. With the tough breaking rules and 4" pockets now in use in WNT majors, we rarely see more than a three pack. In fact, many players go an entire WNT season without producing even one three pack. The WNT break rule, with the narrow break box and the nine on the spot are what have made the game so difficult.I was going to write about this, but my posts were long enough. Besides, this is the only Predator event held in tandem with a huge amateur event, and it mostly encompasses the U.S., not the entire pool world. Still, a great thing for Predator.
I know I am a relative newbie to the game, but I am less of a fan of the fast and loose heritage of 9 ball.
I've watched tons of old matches. They are entertaining. Yet I think the older version of the game is too easy for today's pros. They are more precise shooters, imo, and have adapted surprisingly quickly to 4-inch pockets. So I prefer the WNT approach by and large. I think there is more strategy involved and more chances for players to turn the tide.
I know this subject has been debated endlessly and I am not trying to open a can of worms. It's really a matter of opinion or preference, but I personally find 9-ball matches between top WNT pros quite riveting. The margin for error is exceedingly thin.
Some watch the game for pure entertainment while others prefer to see tactical display of professional talents. I prefer a more difficult game where someone can run a 3 pack over one where they run a 6 pack on buckets. The same reason why I prefer 10 ball over 9 ball. However, I am not getting into the arguments (anymore) as to which is better.Not saying you shouldn't enjoy the current product. It's what you like and that's great. My opinion is that WNT has misjudged the taste of far too many pool fans in making the game more tactical and, ultimately, more difficult.