Women and pool

[Mr. Wilson]

Ok, don't flame me too bad

For the life of me, I can't understand why....... at the professional level..... there needs to be a separate division for women.

Can anyone explain to me why they can't ( or won't ) compete with men at this level?

Dave

 

[drivermaker]

Ok, don't flame me too bad

For the life of me, I can't understand why....... at the professional level..... there needs to be a separate division for women.

Can anyone explain to me why they can't ( or won't ) compete with men at this level?

Dave

Two reasons: If there are TV sets on while the matches are running, they'll constantly be arguing about whether it should be tuned into a sports show or a food and gardening station,

Or, the woman will start nitpicking the male opponents for leaving their cues, chalk, towels, and glasses all over the place and not keeping them in order.

 

[Williebetmore]

Two reasons: If there are TV sets on while the matches are running, they'll constantly be arguing about whether it should be tuned into a sports show or a food and gardening station,

Or, the woman will start nitpicking the male opponents for leaving their cues, chalk, towels, and glasses all over the place and not keeping them in order.

D'maker,
I'm glad you refrained from mentioning their complaints about the guys finishing too soon (their matches that is).

 

[MrLucky]

Lol!

Ok, don't flame me too bad

For the life of me, I can't understand why....... at the professional level..... there needs to be a separate division for women.

Can anyone explain to me why they can't ( or won't ) compete with men at this level?

Dave

Perhaps the mens division does not want to be shown up by females actually you are right on and it makes no sense I beleive if they were matched up it would be a great thing for pools image and appeal to new groups of people!

 

[Pete]

What about the Joss tour???

I saw Karen, and Julley there. They didn't win that day, but they competed.
Pete

 

[Kevin Lindstrom]

Men Vs Women

Ok, don't flame me too bad

For the life of me, I can't understand why....... at the professional level..... there needs to be a separate division for women.

Can anyone explain to me why they can't ( or won't ) compete with men at this level?

Dave

I too have wondered about this. I would like to see how well the top women players could and or should be able to compete against the men. Years ago it seemed as though the safety play of the men was so much better than that of the women but now the women do and are able to play much better safeties as well. You would think with pool being more of a "touch" type of game rather than a "physical" type of game that the men and women's games should be more equal. I'm sure a lot of people will disagree with me on this but I wonder WHY the pro men are much "stronger" players than the women.
Is it that men have more "killer" instinct than women or is it a left/right brain thing or just what? I would like to hear men and women opinions on this topic.
All in all I still overall like the fact that the pro men and women events are seperated.

 

[Nostroke]

Ok, don't flame me too bad

For the life of me, I can't understand why....... at the professional level..... there needs to be a separate division for women.

Can anyone explain to me why they can't ( or won't ) compete with men at this level?

Dave

There doesn't need to be but there is. There is a market for it and it's working fairly well. What sport doesn't have a women's division? Many have Junior and Senior divisions too. Even Chess has a Women's World Championship since 1927.

That doesn't mean there isn't room for a truly open tournament. The US Open and the World Pool Championship are both closed to women. Many women would like to compete in these events. I know three women who tried to enter qualifiers for the World Pool Championship last year and were denied entry.

I think maybe the UPA events are open to women but you have to sign their contract which conflicts with the WPBA contract. If not, you can bet your ass, at minimum, Karen Corr and Julie would enter every one possible.

 

[Williebetmore]

You would think with pool being more of a "touch" type of game rather than a "physical" type of game that the men and women's games should be more equal. .

KL,
Nine ball IS a physical game. The break is by far the most important shot in 9-ball. The women can definitely compete on even terms during the rest of the game, but they are at a HUGE disadvantage in the break department. Give Jeanetee or Allison or Karen a designated breaker and watch the backers get in line behind them.

 

[k-carson]

not to take anything away from the current women professionals but
i feel fewer women ever start playing the game therefor they are
the " cream of a smaller crop "

 

[Kevin Lindstrom]

KL,
Nine ball IS a physical game. The break is by far the most important shot in 9-ball. The women can definitely compete on even terms during the rest of the game, but they are at a HUGE disadvantage in the break department. Give Jeanetee or Allison or Karen a designated breaker and watch the backers get in line behind them.

I believe even Corey Duele would disagree with this as you must see his effective "soft break". With or without the differences in breaks I would take Eferen, Earl, Johnny, Corey and quite a few other men over even the top 3 women and feel confident that the men would win me the money. In addtion I feel that the difference between the men and women get even greater if we were to take the ranked numbered 10-20 top men and women a match them up for the cash. In most instances my cash would be behind the men. I am not trying to offend anyone here with my comments just trying to figure out what it is that seperates the talent or ability of the men from the women in the game of pool.

 

[MrLucky]

Not really!

KL,
Nine ball IS a physical game. The break is by far the most important shot in 9-ball. The women can definitely compete on even terms during the rest of the game, but they are at a HUGE disadvantage in the break department. Give Jeanetee or Allison or Karen a designated breaker and watch the backers get in line behind them.

nine ball and 8 ball have 2 types of breaks hard and soft a hard break except in experienced hands give upcue control to power! softer allows for control!

 

[drivermaker]

Egos, fear of loss, and humiliation

Anytime you pit men and women against each other in a sport it has great fan and media appeal. Billie Jean King and Bobby Riggs had blockbuster ratings; whenever Michelle Wie or Annika Sorenstam play in a PGA event attendance swells beyond capacity and the newpapers can't write enough print; even when Joey Buttafucco boxed and beat the shit out of the big hot looking female wrestler champion ratings rose.

The bottom line is most everyone would like to see it, but the two genders within the professional pool world shy away from it due to their egos, fear of loss, and humiliation they might suffer from a beating. And it works both ways.

 

[MrLucky]

One more thing ......

Perhaps the mens division does not want to be shown up by females actually you are right on and it makes no sense I beleive if they were matched up it would be a great thing for pools image and appeal to new groups of people!

I sadly believe that the disparity in payoffs for the two different events needs to be addressed also ! though obviously the womans division would certainly gain by combining matches dollar wise!

 

[Mr. Wilson]

IIRC, Eferen weighs all of 95# and has a monster break.

Mr. Pagulayan is also diminutive to say the least.

From appearances only, I would put my money on the average housewife if they had a throwdown



Where would the trade off in size account for raw skill?

IMO, the average woman is a considerably larger in size, if not weight than either of these men.

It would seem a question of skill then.

Could it really be as simple as there are so few women in the sport that they would be non-existent if they had to compete strictly on skill alone?

Dave

 

[Mike Templeton]

Perhaps the mens division does not want to be shown up by females actually you are right on and it makes no sense I beleive if they were matched up it would be a great thing for pools image and appeal to new groups of people!

I sadly believe that the disparity in payoffs for the two different events needs to be addressed also ! though obviously the womans division would certainly gain by combining matches dollar wise!

Boy, Mr. Lucky. You must really be P_Whipped

Mike

 

[MrLucky]

Whipped versus supremely Satisfied!.......

Boy, Mr. Lucky. You must really be P_Whipped

Mike

Well Mike as a single retired man I am seriously satisfied with my "P" quota! but I somehow miss how that relates to being whipped (a term I usually reserve for honey do married guys! LOL! ) when I state a fact such as the difference in money for each division due to some mens archaic ego and mental issues !





and yes I use a hard tip on my cue ! always have and always will!

 

[OldHasBeen]

Why would they want to?

Ok, don't flame me too bad
For the life of me, I can't understand why....... at the professional level..... there needs to be a separate division for women.
Can anyone explain to me why they can't ( or won't ) compete with men at this level?
Dave

Dave - WHY WOULD THE WOMEN WANT TO PLAY WITH THE MEN?
They are currently the only REAL winners of the tournament $. They have found a good way to market their product and are the most successful as far as sponsorship, viewer ship, and endorsements.
What do they need the men for? The men don't or won't WORK TOGETHER for the future. They are only interested in today & tomorrow and anything that takes cooperation and doesn’t treat them like primadonnas, they won't get involved in.

TY & GL

 

[drivermaker]

Well Mike as a single retired man I am seriously satisfied with my "P" quota! but I somehow miss how that relates to being whipped (a term I usually reserve for honey do married guys! LOL! ) when I state a fact such as the difference in money for each division due to some mens archaic ego and mental issues !





and yes I use a hard tip on my cue ! always have and always will!

One doesn't necessarily have to be married at the time to be PW'd. Remember, just like potty training, it lasts a lifetime. A true sign is when a man doesn't even know that he is. (I'm not thinking that any of the female posters on here would classify me as such-fact is...Mike would have to shut the forum down for a couple of days to clear that thread out if a poll was taken)

 

[landshark77]

My 2 cents........

Ummm, maybe SJM could confirm this or deny this, but didn't the women and men play together on tour in the past???

I guess fact of the matter is why would they want to play together, currently? I mean look at the men's tour and the mess they have. No one will work together; it is all about greed, IMO. Just the constant scheduling conflicts indicate that to me. Sure, the WPBA has its problems, but it is successful. Several studies have concluded that pool's popularity is on the rise due to the WPBA's success. I don't see why something that does well would want to partner up with something that is frankly a mess.

 

[MrLucky]

you an me babe .....

Ummm, maybe SJM could confirm this or deny this, but didn't the women and men play together on tour in the past???

I guess fact of the matter is why would they want to play together, currently? I mean look at the men's tour and the mess they have. No one will work together; it is all about greed, IMO. Just the constant scheduling conflicts indicate that to me. Sure, the WPBA has its problems, but it is successful. Several studies have concluded that pool's popularity is on the rise due to the WPBA's success. I don't see why something that does well would want to partner up with something that is frankly a mess.

how about we start our own tour ?