Women of the IPT tour, thoughts?

[9 Ball Girl]

From what I can tell, these are the women on the IPT tour. I've never heard of some of them and forgive me for inluding someone who may not be a female but I couldn't tell from the name:

Broadhurst, Jackie
Carte,r Linda
Corr, Karen
Dodson, Robin
Ellerby, Sarah
Fisher, Allison
Fisher, Kelly
Hofstatter, Gerda
Jones, Loree Jon
Kenniston, Mary
Klasovic, Andreja
Laurance, Ewa
Sabtu, Suhana Dewi
Sakai, Miyuki
Thornfeldt, Helena
Webb, Monica

I'm surprised that Jeanette Lee and Ga Young Kim aren't on this list.

 

[Sweet Marissa]

From what I can tell, these are the women on the IPT tour. I've never heard of some of them and forgive me for inluding someone who may not be a female but I couldn't tell from the name:

Broadhurst, Jackie
Carter, Linda
Corr, Karen
Dodson, Robin
Ellerby, Sarah
Fisher, Allison
Fisher, Kelly
Hofstatter, Gerda
Jones, Loree Jon
Kenniston, Mary
Klasovic, Andreja
Laurance, Ewa
Sabtu, Suhana Dewi
Sakai, Miyuki
Thornfeldt, Helena
Webb, Monica

I'm surprised that Jeanette Lee and Ga Young Kim aren't on this list.

Jeanette won't be playing for awhile due to her recent back surgery.

I look forward to watching Sarah Ellerby play.

 

[Skippy9Baller]

You may be all surprised. Allison, Karen, Jeanette and Kelly are the real deal. They can play! And they have a lot of tournament experience from battling on their tour. Look at their results already on regional tours, and Jeanette at Derby City.
They are going to win matches and put the heat on a lot of guys. They probably won't win any tournaments, but I would not be too surprised to see one of them score a high finish or two.
I don't care if their playing 9 Ball or 8 Ball. I saw Jeanette torture a few top players at 8 Ball at the Riviera a few years ago. A good pool player is a good pool player period.
More important to me is that they are playing. I believe it is great for Pool to have women and men competing against each other. Think Annika and Michelle Wie on the PGA. It is very exciting to see women compete against men, and on equal footing. And Pool is the perfect sport for this type of competition. Smart move by the promoters!
This tour could signal a major breakthrough for Pro Pool as a sport. Big money, great competition and wide coverage. I'm all for that.

I agree with you Jay! I remember seeing Karen place high and WIN some tough regional tours a few years back. Also, wouldn't the man vs. woman element of the tour create some needed buzz for the general pool-player public? I would think some genuine high-level coed competition is sure to pull in a wider audience than just all men. Though, I believe their games have to be on par. More matches like Mike vs. LJ aren't going to do it, but I believe that Karen and Allison can bring it. I just wanna see some great pool!!!!!

 

[Pete]

I don't want to get attacked for saying I think that the women are going to have it rough, but, please, even the second best has trouble competing on loose equipment, with the Tri State locals (not even short stops), but as I've stated before, she and a couple others (Jullie for one) have the balls to try (and I respect the hell out of themfor that). But I don't know if the QUEEN of the Hill has the balls. Has she ever before (I really don't know).

The best thing about this is it will tell the story, and maybe crush dreams or fanticies people have about how good their idols truly are.

Now as for what Pro 8 ball is, if you haven't, you should get the Accu- stats eight ball matches (very interesting to see Pro eight ball played, nothing like APA or BCA).

If I have offended any one, please forgive me, I know nothing about pool, I'm a beginer. I don't want the big fights I see here.

Pete

 

[DaveK]

Honestly does anyone think Fisher, Corr or Jones will be in the top 75? With this format I would be shocked if they made into the top 50

.....they better be practicing the break as we speak
(

I haven't heard of Alison nor Karen playing much 8 Ball, which is very different strategically compared to 9 Ball and Snooker. If they do not understand the game well they will have great difficulty playing with the others that have experience in the game, regardless of their potting and position skills. So, I'd say at the start they will not place well at all.

Dave

 

[Skippy9Baller]

I haven't heard of Alison nor Karen playing much 8 Ball, which is very different strategically compared to 9 Ball and Snooker. If they do not understand the game well they will have great difficulty playing with the others that have experience in the game, regardless of their potting and position skills. So, I'd say at the start they will not place well at all.

Dave

Wouldn't Snooker be more of a pattern game than 9ball? I just wanted some opinions, since I've only ever played it once.

Thanks.

 

[SlimShafty]

From what I can tell, these are the women on the IPT tour. I've never heard of some of them and forgive me for inluding someone who may not be a female but I couldn't tell from the name:

Broadhurst, Jackie
Carte,r Linda
Corr, Karen
Dodson, Robin
Ellerby, Sarah
Fisher, Allison
Fisher, Kelly
Hofstatter, Gerda
Jones, Loree Jon
Kenniston, Mary
Klasovic, Andreja
Laurance, Ewa
Sabtu, Suhana Dewi
Sakai, Miyuki
Thornfeldt, Helena
Webb, Monica

I'm surprised that Jeanette Lee and Ga Young Kim aren't on this list.

yeah I believe Andreja Klasovic is man,

Don't forget Tammy Jones Tammy Wesley Jones? I think she won some 8-ball championships a long time ago, so maybe anyone with who put down some 8-ball wins got on tour. hmmm

The sad truth is 75% of these women will lose the tour card after the first year since they will not make the top 100.

 

[bruin70]

I'm surprised that Jeanette Lee and Ga Young Kim aren't on this list.

jeanette doesn't need it, imo, and she has to be more image conscious than the other women.

 

[robbie9ball]

Fisher and Corr may be close to the top 75 if they can play their best, maybe even a little higher. The other female players are going to be lucky to not be bunched up in the bottom 20.

Would you like to put your money where your over sized mouth is ?
Kelly Fisher finishing in the bottom 20 players is as likely as you talking some sense !!!!!!!!!!!

 

[onepocketchump]

Honestly does anyone think Fisher, Corr or Jones will be in the top 75? With this format I would be shocked if they made into the top 50.

I wish them all the success, and give them credit for going for it, and I am sure they will make some good money, but they better be practicing the break as we speak

Where is Jean? I was hoping she was secretly practicing to give it a go

Yup. I do. I will make a $1000 bet right now that if Karen Corr, Allison Fisher and Kelly Fisher play all the stops that at least one of them will be in the top 75 and I'll take five to one that all three of them will be. I'll take ten to one that one of them will be in the top ten. Since they are girls and all.

John

 

[onepocketchump]

Yeah I dont agree. These women are now going to be facing the top men in the game on reasonably tough equipment in tournaments that are made to sort out the truely best. Allison and Karen will have to play their hearts out to keep their cards IMO, Kelly Fisher and Gerda are going to get smoked, the women are simply not playing at that level and neither one of them could even top the womens tour let alone the IPT. Plus they are playing 8-ball and none of the women have much for a break. 8-ball takes a much better break, I dont think it looks good for any woman on this tour.

You are more than welcome to come down and try Kelly Fisher someday. She will put a clinic on you that you won't soon forget. All you have seen is simply a small slice of Kelly's game. IF I were a multimillionaire then I would take Kelly on the road and BUST every male chauvanist in the country. ONe thing I guarantee is that she will BEAT more players she faces than will beat her.

See my other post about what I will bet on considering where Kelly finishes the first year.

John

 

[Celtic]

See my other post about what I will bet on considering where Kelly finishes the first year.

John

You want the three top women in the world in a single bet that ONE of them makes the top 75 of the tour? Wow, brave bet man, tons of confidence in those girls. That would be akin to me asking if you want to bet me that one of Archer, Hohmann, or Manalo will be in the top 10 at the end of the first year. Notice, I dont need top 75, I am really liking my bet with top 10 and in all honesty any one of those men would be a decent bet to make the top ten and taking all three even money would probably be closer to one of them making the top 5. Yet you want top 75? Anyone who plays every tournament has a good chance of making the top 75, have you been absent from the disussions that alot of the tour is made up of "has beens" or a "never were"? There are alot of people who already are guarenteed not to make the top 100 and are not even likely to play the entire schedual.

I will bet you right now that none of those 3 women get in the top 3 of any event this entire year. They are the top 3 women players in the world, you have what 8 events? And I am not asking that they win, just make top 3.

Or I will bet you that no woman makes the top 4 in this upcomming event. The top 4 will all be male.

I am no male chauvanist, I am just a realist. I also dont think Mike Lebron is going to do very well along with countless other people I dont think have the speed to keep up with the top 30 players on that tour.

If Manalo, Strickland, Sigel, Archer, Hohmann, Immonen, Morris, and Reyes all play the complete schedual I will be shocked if any woman ends the season above them in the rankings. I will bet against it as well. That seems fair, I am taking the top 8 male players and betting that they will ALL end the season higher then any of the top 3 women if all 11 players play a complete schedual. Lets say $50 via paypal.

 

[onepocketchump]

Hey Celtic, go back and read YOUR replies. Since YOU said that they MIGHT be close to the top 75 IF they play their BEST games this bet ought to be a NO BRAINER for you. Since, according to YOU they suck so badly it ought to be a NO BRAINER to give up the odds I asked for. How can you lose? Gee, could it be that YOU are afraid that their performance might be much better than what you think?

My bet was ONLY reflective of what the original poster and you have outlined as what YOU BOTH expect the girls to do. It was made using YOUR criteria. You are the one who lumped them together.

Of course the ODDS are stacked against them. Three women who play just about as good as any man against over a hundred world-class and nearly world class players. Takes a real genius to predict that they will have a hard time and just an ass to go ahead and disparage their skill in the same post.

So, if you're feeling froggy go ahead and take my bet for any amount you feel comfortable with, PayPal is fine. Unless you want to crawfish a little more.

John

 

[Celtic]

Hey Celtic, go back and read YOUR replies. Since YOU said that they MIGHT be close to the top 75 IF they play their BEST games this bet ought to be a NO BRAINER for you.

John

Maybe you should be the one doing the reading.

Fisher and Corr may be close to the top 75 if they can play their best, maybe even a little higher.

That was my first post. It is unedited as you can easily go back and see. Are you seeing where I said Allison and Karen both have a chance to make it into the top 75? CAUSE THATS WHAT I SAID!

Then you respond with

I will make a $1000 bet right now that if Karen Corr, Allison Fisher and Kelly Fisher play all the stops that at least one of them will be in the top 75

So I say that both have a chance to make top 75 in the first post I make and then you respond wanting to bet against me that if Allison, Karen, AND Kelly ALL play in the tour in ALL the events that ONE of them will make the top 75? Well no doubt man, in the first post I made I said two of those three women had a chance to make it and NO I am not going to bet against all three when I said two of the three have a chance already to do exactly what you now want to bet on.

So, if you're feeling froggy go ahead and take my bet for any amount you feel comfortable with, PayPal is fine. Unless you want to crawfish a little more.

Tell me when you catch up with the post and actually read what I said. If you want to bet against anything I have actually said by all means we can bet.

 

[LastTwo]

The players with the hard breaks have a big advantage in 8 ball. Even if they do turn the cueball loose, with a harder break you are going to have a shot, you will most likely make a ball in a 15 ball rack, and the rack will usually be spread out pretty well.

Everyone says that 8-ball is a much harder game than 9-ball, I think that's bullshit. If you look at the statistics, almost every good player has ran more consecutive racks in 8-ball than in 9-ball. I have, and so have most of you probably. If there are one or two clusters, sure that can be tough but it is nothing compared to dealing with clusters in 9-ball. In 8-ball, you can set out a specific and easy pattern to break up the clusters, and you have a wide shot selection to choose from if you break up the cluster and you don't get a shot on the ball you were playing for. You can shoot at another ball. Many times in 8-ball I have seen people take a few tries to deal with a cluster, and after screwing it up, they get a chance later in the run. I don't care what any of you say, 8-ball is an easier game than 9-ball. Another point I will make is that novice players who can't run 3 balls in 9-ball can run out 8-ball racks. I know, I've seen it done many times. Say what you want, but the statistics of the game are rock solid proof.

 

[carter1984]

I am curious to know what advantage men have over women in the game of pool. From my perpsective, this is one of the very few games were men and women seem to have a level playing field, due to the nature of the game not being a sport that gives an advantage to the physically stronger player.

 

[Snapshot9]

To some extent ..

I am curious to know what advantage men have over women in the game of pool. From my perpsective, this is one of the very few games were men and women seem to have a level playing field, due to the nature of the game not being a sport that gives an advantage to the physically stronger player.

IMO, and breaking from the box, no woman player consistently breaks
as strong as a good man pro (strength does matter here), except that
Romanian woman pro, I like her for some reason ...lol

Men can more consistently make difficult shots than women pros
(this shows up everytime a man pro plays a woman pro).

Average Women pros banking and kicking skills are below the average
man pros skills. That, also, could be said for safeties too, to a lessor
extent. Allison and Karen are closer to the male pros skills, as I believe
they excel above the average woman pro skills.

 

[onepocketchump]

Fisher and Corr may be close to the top 75 if they can play their best, maybe even a little higher. The other female players are going to be lucky to not be bunched up in the bottom 20.

This is what you said. How about a single bet just on Kelly Fisher. Since YOU said that she be "lucky" not to be bunched up in the bottom 20 you can get a $1000 bet that she will be ranked higher than 130 after the inaugural events. 5:1 that she will be ranked higher than 76 and 10:1 that she will be 10 or higher.

Where is your heart now?

John

 

[Nostroke]

IMO, and breaking from the box, no woman player consistently breaks as strong as a good man pro (strength does matter here), except that Romanian woman pro, I like her for some reason ...lol

You talking about Romana Dokovic? She isnt Romanian and i didnt think anyone really noticed her break which is among the hardest.

Allison btw can break real hard when she wants to. She threw the Javelin in high school or college and is quite strong.

 

[Celtic]

a $1000 bet that she will be ranked higher than 130 after the inaugural events. 5:1 that she will be ranked higher than 76 and 10:1 that she will be 10 or higher.

Where is your heart now?

John

You want 5-1 odds that she will be ranked higher then 76 and you ask me where MY heart is? 10-1 odds for top 10?

I think we both have about as much faith in the womens skills when compared to the top men in the world. You yourself dont seem to have much faith in their skills if that is the best you can offer.

I will give you 2-1 odds on any single women you want not making the top 12. Now IF you do this you show faith in their skills to the same level as the men. IF not, then I can pick numerous men I will bet on making the top 12 at 2-1 odds against you. THAT is my point, and if you are not into taking the women at 2-1 to make the top 12 or giving up 2-1 odds with me picking a male player then you are simply showing that you dont give the top women in the world the same chance as the men.