Women's 14.1 High Run

lfigueroa

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So in a another thread the question was raised: what is the high run for women?

Frankly, I'm not sure. Back in the day I've read that Jean Balukas had a 55 in tournament play and a 69 in unsanctioned play and a 135 in practice. Dorthy Wise had an 80 in a match. And Ruth McGuinness, 128. More recently, I have heard that Jeanette Lee ran a 152 and Jennifer Chen has had a 158.

Here's a past AZ discussion on the topic:

High straight pool run for women

I watched a match between Jean Balukas and Ewa Mataya from 1987 and Jay Helfert was a commentator. I think it was he that mentioned that Jean had a high run of 135 balls back then. Does anyone know if Karen or Allison or Hsin Mei Liu or anyone else has run more? Did Jean break her own record?
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Anyone have anything else on this topic?

Lou Figueroa
 
I played straight pool against Jennifer Chen in 2000. While she probably showed the skills to possibly run 100 one day, I don't find the claim of 158 to be very credible, although it is not impossible.

As noted in the previous thread, however, Jeanette Lee's 152 came against me, so I can vouch for it. The only female player of the last 20 years that, indisputably, played 14.1 every bit as well as Jeanette was Jasmin Ouschan, but I have no idea what her personal best is in straight pool. Many will recall that Jasmin finished third in a WPA sanctioned men's world 14.1 championship (my best guess is 2008). Jasmin is a prime suspect for being the world record holder for a practice run in 14.1.

Another fine straight pooler of the recent past was BCA Hall of Famer Gerda Hofstatter who, if memory serves, ran a 106 in a league match in New York City in about 2003. I was an onlooker, not the victim, although I also played in that league.

FYI, in the women's 14.1 championships back in the day, matches were played to 75 points, and only the final went to 100, so high runs couldn't generally occur in those events. Ewa Mataya Lawrence and Lori Jon Jones had runs in the sixties during the 1992 US Open 14.1, which I thought were the highest ever runs in women's championship competition, but if Dorothy ran an 80, I guess I'm mistaken.
 
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I recall Jean telling me her high run was in the high 70's against Flaco.
Gerda ran a 63 against me in league at Corner Billiards ( now Amsterdam).

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Jennifer Chen 158.

Jasmin Ouschan beat Immonen and Ortmann in the 2008 world 14.1 and finished 3rd but I'm not sure what her high run was in that tournament. She is credited with a 120 but I'm not sure when that occurred.

 
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I think a big factor is that 14.1 is a rare game now. You'd have to think that women like Allison Fisher, Karen Corr, Ga Young Kim, or Siming Chen could run over 100- but I've never heard of them even playing the game.

Men's 14.1 tournaments are rare, but women's 14.1 tournaments are almost unheard of. No wonder they don't really play the game- although Earl always swears it is one of the best practice games on his weekly Billiard Network commentaries.
 
sjm said:
I played straight pool against Jennifer Chen in 2000. While she probably showed the skills to possibly run 100 one day, I don't find the claim of 158 to be very credible, although it is not impossible.

As noted in the previous thread, however, Jeanette Lee's 152 came against me, so I can vouch for it. The only female player of the last 20 years that, indisputably, played 14.1 every bit as well as Jeanette was Jasmin Ouschan, but I have no idea what her personal best is in straight pool. Many will recall that Jasmin finished third in a WPA sanctioned men's world 14.1 championship (my best guess is 2008). Jasmin is a prime suspect for being the world record holder for a practice run in 14.1.

Another fine straight pooler of the recent past was BCA Hall of Famer Gerda Hofstatter who, if memory serves, ran a 106 in a league match in New York City in about 2003. I was an onlooker, not the victim, although I also played in that league.

FYI, in the women's 14.1 championships back in the day, matches were played to 75 points, and only the final went to 100, so high runs couldn't generally occur in those events. Ewa Mataya Lawrence and Lori Jon Jones had runs in the sixties during the 1992 US Open 14.1, which I thought were the highest ever runs in women's championship competition, but if Dorothy ran an 80, I guess I'm mistaken.
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Stu, if you have time, I'm curious as to the background of your match with Jeanette Lee. 152 to 0? How long did you have to sit and stew during the run?
 
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Stu, if you have time, I'm curious as to the background of your match with Jeanette Lee. 152 to 0? How long did you have to sit and stew during the run?
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Actually, it was a race to 1,000 (which was our standard match). I have no idea what the final score was, but she was the winner. The run of 152 took about an hour and a quarter. Actually, I wasn't stuck in the chair --- I got up numerous time to rack the balls!
 
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Given the Fargo ratings of some of today's top women, there has to be a potential 200 ball runner out there among them.
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I think Karen Corr was good enough to do it but there is no incentive and the last I heard she had quit pool to become a nurse.
 
I witnessed Line Kjorsvik run 114 at Amsterdam Billiards' east side location in 2003 (may be off by a year), shortly after the conclusion of the WPBA Fall Classic. It was a very clean run.
 
sjm said:
I played straight pool against Jennifer Chen in 2000. While she probably showed the skills to possibly run 100 one day, I don't find the claim of 158 to be very credible, although it is not impossible.

As noted in the previous thread, however, Jeanette Lee's 152 came against me, so I can vouch for it. The only female player of the last 20 years that, indisputably, played 14.1 every bit as well as Jeanette was Jasmin Ouschan, but I have no idea what her personal best is in straight pool. Many will recall that Jasmin finished third in a WPA sanctioned men's world 14.1 championship (my best guess is 2008). Jasmin is a prime suspect for being the world record holder for a practice run in 14.1.

Another fine straight pooler of the recent past was BCA Hall of Famer Gerda Hofstatter who, if memory serves, ran a 106 in a league match in New York City in about 2003. I was an onlooker, not the victim, although I also played in that league.

FYI, in the women's 14.1 championships back in the day, matches were played to 75 points, and only the final went to 100, so high runs couldn't generally occur in those events. Ewa Mataya Lawrence and Lori Jon Jones had runs in the sixties during the 1992 US Open 14.1, which I thought were the highest ever runs in women's championship competition, but if Dorothy ran an 80, I guess I'm mistaken.
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So, Stu, what would you consider to be the women's world 14.1 high run record?

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
So, Stu, what would you consider to be the women's world 14.1 high run record?

Lou Figueroa
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Ugh, that's such a loaded question. So many of these runs are unofficial (lacking in witnesses or affidavits). Understand - I trust everything Stu says and would never question his memory and that's not the point. I just think we should all agree, this discussion has nothing to do with the requirements for the men's record.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
I witnessed Line Kjorsvik run 114 at Amsterdam Billiards' east side location in 2003 (may be off by a year), shortly after the conclusion of the WPBA Fall Classic. It was a very clean run.
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I'm in shock that I didn't remember this one, as I had given Line a brief straight pool lesson the day before after she and I shot a few games. She actually called me immediately on the completion of the run to tell me about it. The single most important thing I had told her was that her attack angles into the clusters were inferior and that she needed to pay far more attention to hitting the right part of clusters on break shots. She told me that this advice proved critical in her personal best run.
 
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lfigueroa said:
So, Stu, what would you consider to be the women's world 14.1 high run record?

Lou Figueroa
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This is difficult to answer. I did hear of Jennifer Chen's run way back when, but do not know of a witness. Perhaps she did it, but I knew her straight pool speed and was very surprised. I'd be out of line to say she didn't make the run, for perhaps she did, but the 152 Jeanette Lee ran against me came as no surprise at all. She'd run a bunch of centuries on me before. The record, I must reckon, is one of these two runs.
 
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Jude Rosenstock said:
Ugh, that's such a loaded question. So many of these runs are unofficial (lacking in witnesses or affidavits). Understand - I trust everything Stu says and would never question his memory and that's not the point. I just think we should all agree, this discussion has nothing to do with the requirements for the men's record.
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Thanks for the kind words. I hope you're well,, my friend. To be honest, Jude, everything's getting a little harder to remember these days.
 
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