World 9B Championships....

BJTyler

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...and what it may say about the state of American pool.

Entering the knockout stage of the WPA world 9B championships, we have 64 remaining players representing 26 different countries. After a quick examination of this list of final round participants, we can easily see that this is one of the strongest and most comprehensive collection of world class pool talent to be gathered in one location.

It is probably no surprise that the Philippine contingent is 11 strong, by far the largest. But the Philippines aren't the only Asian pool powerhouse these days; Taiwan brings 7, Japan 5, and China 4 into the single elimination stage. And of course we can't forget about the Europeans. The UK and the Netherlands each have 4 finalists, while Germany and Italy have 3.

But as impressive as this collection of players is, it is equally surprising to see only 1 American in the final field - SVB. I am completely shocked and baffled.

I realize the time difference, the expense of travel, the limited number of pre-qualified spots, all make this event a difficult one for Americans to play. Furthermore, I recognize the fact that some players from other countries may receive financial support from their governments which gives them a definite leg up. But still, I would have thought America could & would produce more than 1 finalist out of 64.

As for what this may mean for our chances in the current and/or future Mosconi cups? Well...it's not good. Consider the following:

European countries produced 26 finalists in this year's W9B Championships including all 5 members of the 2013 European Mosconi cup team. Furthermore, only 1 player from the past 5 European Mosconi cup teams failed to qualify into the final stage of this year's world 9B championships (and he happens to be on the pro Snooker tour).

It's hard to accept these numbers at face value. As an American, it's difficult to believe that we have fallen so far behind the world in a game that is so very much "American" in both history and culture.

I sincerely hope it is the time difference, travel expenses, and not an accurate reflection of the state of American Pool.

...or Maybe (hopefully) I'm just missing something.
 
...and what it may say about the state of American pool.

Entering the knockout stage of the WPA world 9B championships, we have 64 remaining players representing 26 different countries. After a quick examination of this list of final round participants, we can easily see that this is one of the strongest and most comprehensive collection of world class pool talent to be gathered in one location.

It is probably no surprise that the Philippine contingent is 11 strong, by far the largest. But the Philippines aren't the only Asian pool powerhouse these days; Taiwan brings 7, Japan 5, and China 4 into the single elimination stage. And of course we can't forget about the Europeans. The UK and the Netherlands each have 4 finalists, while Germany and Italy have 3.

But as impressive as this collection of players is, it is equally surprising to see only 1 American in the final field - SVB. I am completely shocked and baffled.

I realize the time difference, the expense of travel, the limited number of pre-qualified spots, all make this event a difficult one for Americans to play. Furthermore, I recognize the fact that some players from other countries may receive financial support from their governments which gives them a definite leg up. But still, I would have thought America could & would produce more than 1 finalist out of 64.

As for what this may mean for our chances in the current and/or future Mosconi cups? Well...it's not good. Consider the following:

European countries produced 26 finalists in this year's W9B Championships including all 5 members of the 2013 European Mosconi cup team. Furthermore, only 1 player from the past 5 European Mosconi cup teams failed to qualify into the final stage of this year's world 9B championships (and he happens to be on the pro Snooker tour).

It's hard to accept these numbers at face value. As an American, it's difficult to believe that we have fallen so far behind the world in a game that is so very much "American" in both history and culture.

I sincerely hope it is the time difference, travel expenses, and not an accurate reflection of the state of American Pool.

...or Maybe (hopefully) I'm just missing something.

Sad to say it is an accurate reflection of American pool, at least in rotation games. Not surprising to see why Shane reigns supreme here. The level of competition he faces is not nearly as strong here as it would be in Asia or Europe. He did have to beat Filipino and European players to win the U.S. Opens though, so he has a chance in this field. But he is one against many! The deck is stacked against him.
 
Lazy..,

...and what it may say about the state of American pool.
t's hard to accept these numbers at face value. As an American, it's difficult to believe that we have fallen so far behind the world in a game that is so very much "American" in both history and culture.

I sincerely hope it is the time difference, travel expenses, and not an accurate reflection of the state of American Pool.

...or Maybe (hopefully) I'm just missing something.

The American players think that Poll owes them something. They think that because they cant get rich via the game that the game is the problem, but many of them have created or contributed to the poor state of pool today.

I too would like to see more money in pool, but its not holding the rest of the world back.
 
The American players think that Poll owes them something. They think that because they cant get rich via the game that the game is the problem, but many of them have created or contributed to the poor state of pool today.

I too would like to see more money in pool, but its not holding the rest of the world back.

It's call "protectionism," where the local suppliers (pool players in this case) don't have to compete with foreign suppliers. Think of Detroit cars of the 1970s when the US had severe restrictions on imported cars. Even the "best" Detroit cars were junk. Now that they have to compete, Detroit produces a world-class product.

Sure, US players won most championships when 4-out-of-5 pool players were from the US. Now it's more like 1-out-of-40 pool players is from the US.

At least the game is being kept alive....somewhere, just not here.
 
From my personal experience, pool has turned into a game that you play while you are out partying with friends at the bar and that has become the same with pool leagues. For all of us that love pool and play to play and be great at it, it's because a family member or great friend loved it and got us hooked on it. Also the price to play/practice pool is expensive. Here in Kansas City it cost a dollar a game or $8-10/hr person. If you work full time like I do, it's hard to hit the places with free from 11-4. I'm fine with paying $10:hr to practice but a lot of people can't afford that. So if you don't have access to a home table it's hard to get better and play. When I was in Central Washington pool was free from open til close. I loved it.
 
SVB is in his prime right now and for a few more years to come. I wish him the best.

As far as rest of the US players, their (mental) primes are long gone... These days its about making a living and trying to keep up (financially) with the trap they set for themselves, years ago.

If Shane wins the World Championship, it just may help rise the rest of the boats in the USA harbor. (like Tiger Woods has done for other golfers)....
 
When I was younger, about 20 years ago I played pool a lot and I was a great follower of US players like, Sigel, Strickland, Mizerak, Scorpion, King James. I even yelled the name of Kieth when I saw him in Color of Money. So I was so shocked when they got beaten by someone from Asia. I said that was a fluke, nobody can beat them. Well that was true then. Time changed I guess. I don't know if the Americans lost interest or the other countries just caught up. But one thing remains, US player don't travel to big actions. Probably the reason why Asians and Europeans gain more and more experience due to constant traveling, and has dedicated sponsors.
 
Sad to say it is an accurate reflection of American pool, at least in rotation games. Not surprising to see why Shane reigns supreme here. The level of competition he faces is not nearly as strong here as it would be in Asia or Europe. He did have to beat Filipino and European players to win the U.S. Opens though, so he has a chance in this field. But he is one against many! The deck is stacked against him.

Jay, my theory is, those Pinoys and Taiwanese play tough action all the time .
A lot of pros here don't want tough action. Figure that out.
Just to give an example.
Efren and Alcano would have no problems giving someone like King Kong 6-out ( OK I even saw Alcano give Kong the 5-out ). Efren giving Jerry Brunsetter the 5-ball and the breaks .
How many pros here now would do that ?
 
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