World Champion????

Cameron Smith

is kind of hungry...
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I had an interesting discussion a while ago about the title of World Champion or any champion for that matter. This chat stemmed from our memories of the IPT match between Mike Sigel and Loree Jon Jones. Everybody, I think, agrees that the idea that Mike Sigel is the IPT World 8 ball champion is very arbitrary. But then it seems that all titles to one degree or another are arbitrary.

Lets say you had a tour that had every top player in world competing on it. The first tournament will be called Tour Stop #1. All the players play the tournament and lets say Mika Immonen wins, he is now Tour Stop #1 champion. Now the next tournament is the world championship. All the same players compete, and Efren Reyes wins the world title.

What seperates the first tournament from the second? We had the same players competing. It is just the arbitrary use of the phrase World Champion.

In a real life scenario, the WPA World Championships are no more difficult to win than the US Open. In fact some people might argue that the US Open is even more difficult. Yet the WPA title seems to have a little more prestige than the US Open.

For much of the 20th century the world title was contended by a smaller group (by todays standards) of top proffessionals. This group in no way represented the world, but yet the winner was considered world champion. Baseball is a similar example.

As usual I don't seem to have much of a point, other than a realization of how everything can be quite arbitrary. So just to have some fun, my friend and I held the inaugural Canadian championship One-pocket and Canadian Championship Russian Pyramid challenge matches (against eachother). It is a strictly invitational sort of dealie.

You will be happy to know that I, AZB board member, am the first Canadian Russian Pyramid Champion. I ran 8 racks and out (not even sure if we were playing it right) to win 11-0. But unfortunately I lost the one pocket match 6-5. Im sorry if the latter has dissapointed you all, but we will have a re-match in two weeks, and I will try to bring the title home.
 
Cameron Smith said:
You will be happy to know that I, AZB board member, am the first Canadian Russian Pyramid Champion.

This forum is just filled with champions! Congratulations!
 
Championships

Back when I was racing around in circles I ran four Louisiana State Championships at four different tracks one season. I am not planning on any piddling titles like US or World Champion if I sponsor a local tournament. I think The Inter-Galactic Tri-Universe Open Championship has a nice ring to it! :D :D :D

Hopefully none of those six armed Venusians will show up again though. With six arms and no back to have to shoot behind they are tough!

Hu
 
sjm said:
This forum is just filled with champions! Congratulations!

Thank you very much, but you will be sad to learn that what we played is apparently not Russian Pyramids. But whatever it is im still the champ. maybe we will hold the Canadian 3-ball championships next week :D.
 
and further more ...

as my brother says, when you win, Pool is an exact science, when you lose, it is just a game.
 
I will hafta agree CS on this one.

You can say the same in Golf, just because Tiger Woods is ranked #1 in the world but finished 10th at the World Championship and John Daly won the tournament. Does that make John Daly the World Champion? I would say yes. And untill someone different wins the tournament he should be consider'd the World Champion of Golf.

And the same goes with Boxing, theres how many different Belt titles for the heavyweight division? 3 i think, and just because there's 3 different people holding a title does it make them anyless of a Champion?

I think pool is just like many of the sports out there today, one week you can be called a Champion, and the next week you finish 20th in the tournament and are just back to the same ole you. Does it make you any less of a player? no

dave
 
You want to find out who the U.S. Champion is? Organize a 9-ball tournament where the entry fee is say 50 bucks, the tables are Gold Crown 9-footers with bucket pockets, all travel expenses and food are paid to and from the venue by the promoter, each match is a race to 15 or 21, the top 64 places cash out, and the top prize is a cool $5 million. You'd have guys coming out of the woodwork playing with junky cues and laying 6 packs on the world beaters...

Flex
 
How many time's have you seen a race go to Hill/Hill. The next game decides the match and that is what always bugs me. Both players were strong, but the one who win's the last game is the champion.:) Who is to say that one player is better than the other? He just happened to win the
next game.:)
 
The closest thing we have to a true "champion" these days is whoever the billiard magazines proclaim as the Player of the Year. Otherwise, unless one player is totally dominant, which is fairly rare, it's conjecture (which ain't all bad). The only way to have a bonafide, no-doubt champion would be holding a Johnston City-style tournement, see http://onepocket.org/ChalkUp.htm, with long races and round robins for the finalists. Obviously, that would be impractical, but it sure would be fun to have a round robin playoff for the winners of the major tournements to see who the big dog really is.
 
Cameron Smith said:
Thank you very much, but you will be sad to learn that what we played is apparently not Russian Pyramids. But whatever it is im still the champ. maybe we will hold the Canadian 3-ball championships next week :D.

If it wasn't Russian Pyramids but the rules of play make sense then patent it as Canuck Pyramids. You would be the first world champion.

Terry<JMHO!:D
 
Tbeaux said:
If it wasn't Russian Pyramids but the rules of play make sense then patent it as Canuck Pyramids. You would be the first world champion.

Terry<JMHO!:D

That's a good idea!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hereby announce that, hence forth I am the Worlds Canuck Pyramids Champion!

I'll be taking challenges from anyone and everyone who can show up at my pool room by 5:00 AM today.
 
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