World Fargo Rating list --place changes from the US Open

The last thing we need in pool is another black eye because of a new rating system that gives all those that want to bet on matches....just another new way of getting screwed out of their money because of a few pool players taking advantage of a rating system....and a finger being pointed at the rating system as being responsible for setting the stage so it could happen.

This is like blaming the bank for getting robbed.
 
Mike, I guess the question I'm wondering about, is how is the Fargo rating system going to impact pool in a positive way, how is it going to put any more prize money in the Pro players pockets that would help convince them to support it? What I mean is, if it's not being used to improve the sport, then what exactly is its purpose? I've heard all the it'll better match up the players explanations ok, but to exactly what purpose is why I'm asking.

Why does everything need to be for the benefit of the pros?

If the pros want to be millionaires they'll need to do a little more than just play pool.
 
This is like blaming the bank for getting robbed.
Why is it that "pool halls" defined by hourly rental tables in the city limits of Seattle.....are required to be on a second floor or higher, or in a basement? As described in the city ordinance, "so the good citizens of Seattle shall not be exposed to the undesirable elements known to frequent such establishments" wrote back in 1926. Chicago has special laws, NY NY had special laws, lots of cities have such special laws when it comes to pool halls....why is that?
 
Not to stray off-topic here, but I think the larger issue is how WE ALL can support this game of pool and all cue sports and build it globally - not focus on the top 128 professional level players and tournaments and how Fargo Rate will help the other 20 million players.

Of the millions upon millions of us that play pool regularly, I'm certain we all enjoy watching and learning from pro events (like we do the NFL games) but that's where it ends for MOST - they watch when they can. The millions I speak of care most about supporting and promoting pool at our local levels - and for that, we all need to be participants. Neither Fargo Rate nor Glen Rate will impact 99% of those players who seek to play outside of "pro level" events.....we want more players. We want new players and new talent. New passion and new ideas. $.02

K


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Not to stray off-topic here, but I think the larger issue is how WE ALL can support this game of pool and all cue sports and build it globally - not focus on the top 128 professional level players and tournaments and how Fargo Rate will help the other 20 million players.

Of the millions upon millions of us that play pool regularly, I'm certain we all enjoy watching and learning from pro events (like we do the NFL games) but that's where it ends for MOST - they watch when they can. The millions I speak of care most about supporting and promoting pool at our local levels - and for that, we all need to be participants. Neither Fargo Rate nor Glen Rate will impact 99% of those players who seek to play outside of "pro level" events.....we want more players. We want new players and new talent. New passion and new ideas. $.02

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That is what I've been saying for years, when becoming a Professional pool player really means something, like being a Pro golfer playing in the PGA, or a Pro bowler, Pro football player, Pro baseball player, then and only then will pool players have something to strive towards. But as long as that line that separates the Pros from the amateurs remains distorted....what you have is today's pool players and nothing will change. Fix the Pro level first....and the rest will fall in place on its own.
 
That is what I've been saying for years, when becoming a Professional pool player really means something, like being a Pro golfer playing in the PGA, or a Pro bowler, Pro football player, Pro baseball player, then and only then will pool players have something to strive towards. But as long as that line that separates the Pros from the amateurs remains distorted....what you have is today's pool players and nothing will change. Fix the Pro level first....and the rest will fall in place on its own.

No disagreement and it could be really easy to do with Fargo.

Just my thoughts...

Anyone rated 750 or higher is a pro and automatically invited to play in pro events. No entry

Anyone 700 to 749 would need to qualify. Paid entry

Anyone under 700 is an amateur and not eligible until they raise their rating. Separate amateur events. Non handicapped
 
No disagreement and it could be really easy to do with Fargo.

Just my thoughts...

Anyone rated 750 or higher is a pro and automatically invited to play in pro events. No entry

Anyone 700 to 749 would need to qualify. Paid entry

Anyone under 700 is an amateur and not eligible until they raise their rating. Separate amateur events. Non handicapped

Hmmm...so, where do you in vision the added prize money coming from, I mean the Pros ARE playing for a pay out right?
 
Paid entries for qualifiers would be a start.

But like I said I only have suggestions.

So....you're plan involves paying the players in monopoly money because you have no real ideas on how to come up with the added money to actually pay the Pros....you're just great at telling others what you don't think will work.....I understand.
 
So....you're plan involves paying the players in monopoly money because you have no real ideas on how to come up with the added money to actually pay the Pros....you're just great at telling others what you don't think will work.....I understand.

Your plan which involves 100,,000 players paying $50 to submit their skills results is the same thing. Relying on money of the players to fund the prize pool.

Of course anyone with a brain knows only a fraction of people would actually do it. So where's the rest of the prize money coming from?
 
Your plan which involves 100,,000 players paying $50 to submit their skills results is the same thing. Relying on money of the players to fund the prize pool.

Of course anyone with a brain knows only a fraction of people would actually do it. So where's the rest of the prize money coming from?

Plus did I not read that you must qualify on a Diamond Table with a certain spec. I'd personally have to travel 450KM's to even consider qualifying and that's assuming the table spec meets the requirements. Are Diamond Tables that popular throughout the world?
 
Plus did I not read that you must qualify on a Diamond Table with a certain spec. I'd personally have to travel 450KM's to even consider qualifying and that's assuming the table spec meets the requirements. Are Diamond Tables that popular throughout the world?

Would you rather travel to a tournament somewhere, spend what ever it costs for travel, food, and hotel....to not even place in the money, or win LESS than you spent? Yes, Diamond has tables being shipped all around the world.
 
Plus did I not read that you must qualify on a Diamond Table with a certain spec. I'd personally have to travel 450KM's to even consider qualifying and that's assuming the table spec meets the requirements. Are Diamond Tables that popular throughout the world?

Believe me I have not excluded the semi-pros the advanced players the intermediate players from playing in their own tournaments locally to qualify for their own skill level rated World Championships. Just because you don't make it in the pros don't mean you're not playing.
 
Plus did I not read that you must qualify on a Diamond Table with a certain spec. I'd personally have to travel 450KM's to even consider qualifying and that's assuming the table spec meets the requirements. Are Diamond Tables that popular throughout the world?

It's not qualify its skill level test so that you can be grouped into a level of players that play at your same speed.
 
Wow...

Using Fargo Ratings to determine who the best players in the world are is FAR superior to ANY skills test that anybody could come up with. The ultimate goal in competive pool is to win. So if player A more often beats Player B than the other way around then he (or she) is the better player. That's all there is to it. A skills competition would have to verify the Fargo Ratings to be valid -- not the other way around.

A skills competition is a year 2000 kind of idea. Fargo Rate has the real data, which makes all this hypothetical skills testing totally unnessary.
 
Wow...

Using Fargo Ratings to determine who the best players in the world are is FAR superior to ANY skills test that anybody could come up with. The ultimate goal in competive pool is to win. So if player A more often beats Player B than the other way around then he (or she) is the better player. That's all there is to it. A skills competition would have to verify the Fargo Ratings to be valid -- not the other way around.

A skills competition is a year 2000 kind of idea. Fargo Rate has the real data, which makes all this hypothetical skills testing totally unnessary.

You're free to believe anything you want buddy
 
Wow...

Using Fargo Ratings to determine who the best players in the world are is FAR superior to ANY skills test that anybody could come up with. The ultimate goal in competive pool is to win. So if player A more often beats Player B than the other way around then he (or she) is the better player. That's all there is to it. A skills competition would have to verify the Fargo Ratings to be valid -- not the other way around.

A skills competition is a year 2000 kind of idea. Fargo Rate has the real data, which makes all this hypothetical skills testing totally unnessary.

With skill level testing if a player is playing at one hundred and 10% of their capabilities instead of sandbagging because there's no benefit to sandbag score they may not be playing on payday!
 
Wow...

Using Fargo Ratings to determine who the best players in the world are is FAR superior to ANY skills test that anybody could come up with. The ultimate goal in competive pool is to win. So if player A more often beats Player B than the other way around then he (or she) is the better player. That's all there is to it. A skills competition would have to verify the Fargo Ratings to be valid -- not the other way around.

A skills competition is a year 2000 kind of idea. Fargo Rate has the real data, which makes all this hypothetical skills testing totally unnessary.

I was talking to my buddy Mark Gregory last night, I'll ask you the same question. How many players in the world do you think could beat the 10 ball ghost 10/0 from the first game opening break?
 
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