Worst or gayest pool things ever
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Jimmy M. said:
I don't feel it's my duty to make it a crusade around the country. Instead I take the opportunity to point out someone's insensitive language when it happens to arise. When people defend their right to take a word used by a large segment of society to describe themselves and make it mean "bad", or in other words defend their right to bigotry, I wonder whether there are just some people for whom tolerance will always be a foreign concept.
How can gays ever truly be accepted if the term that labels their segment of society means "bad"? I don't see how they can. So as a tolerant person, I feel that it's a moral imperative to correct those who use the term that way, so that maybe gays truly will be an accepted part of society at some point.
-Andrew
mantis99 said:
So by this logic, the real bigots are not the Ku Klux Klan, who have a right to their beliefs about white supremacy, but those who work against them, showing intolerance to those beliefs?
Sorry, I refuse to believe that refusing to condone bigotry is a form of bigotry. Would I be bigoted against the criminally insane if I tried to stop a man from stabbing a random stranger on the street? Is the TSA bigoted against hijackers? Only in the same sense that I'm bigoted against those who use terms that show intolerance toward homosexuals.
-Andrew
Andrew Manning said:
Don't you know the world is still flat to many people?
I heard Ryan Seacrest use this term on the Emmy's last night and thought of this post. He used it to describe an outfit he had put on that looked to be right out of a mariachi band uniform.. or maybe a toreador costume, I'm not sure.. but my point is that when he said 'Sorry folks, it didn't look so gay on the rack', I didn't sense any negative connotations towards the homosexual community. 'Gay' has origins long before it's association with homosexuality. In his usage, he was referring to it's 'fru-fru' or immasculine qualities. While some have decided to associate these qualities with homosexuality, doesn't necessarily mean that the word itself must always be considered derogatory towards homosexuals.
While I agree that this thread originated with a derogatory remark, one that I do agree is becoming more and more inappropriate as we evolve as a more self-aware species, it's important to note that the word itself should not be banned in any context other than politically correct reference towards a sect of society. We should be able to refer to things as 'fruity', without offending everyone who has hang-ups surrounding common misconceptions of their own groups' traits.
Yes, we should all be more sensitive towards others' who are different than us in some way, but whether it be race, sexuality, gender, etc.. sometimes I think the radicals take things to the extreme in trying to dictate common usage of the english language. Change takes time, but it should not be forced, if it's ever to stand the test of time.
While I agree that this thread originated with a derogatory remark, one that I do agree is becoming more and more inappropriate as we evolve as a more self-aware species, it's important to note that the word itself should not be banned in any context other than politically correct reference towards a sect of society. We should be able to refer to things as 'fruity', without offending everyone who has hang-ups surrounding common misconceptions of their own groups' traits.
Yes, we should all be more sensitive towards others' who are different than us in some way, but whether it be race, sexuality, gender, etc.. sometimes I think the radicals take things to the extreme in trying to dictate common usage of the english language. Change takes time, but it should not be forced, if it's ever to stand the test of time.
Bastian said:
Yeah, it sounds to me like what he meant by "gay" in that instance is "something only a homosexual man could pull off", and I don't find that usage offensive.
Put in another way, that may be more understandable to some people, it's like Christians using the Lord's name in vain. Christians are allowed to say Jesus when they're talking about Jesus, they're just not allowed to "Jesus Christ" when what they really mean is "oh sh!t". It's the same deal here, just with a different word. "Jesus" should not mean "sh!t", just like "gay" should not mean "bad".
-Andrew
Yep, that is exactly my point.. We can use words for lots of things.. typically the intent is clear whether we're using them in a derogatory way or not. It is typically not hard to tell whether someone is being a bigot, a racist, or a sexist. The original poster, in this thread, was not trying to disregard homosexuality. He may not have understood the effect his words have on some folks, so kind notes of education are appropriate, but to think ill of him for misrepresenting his thoughts in a unfortunately common way is a bit out of line, in my opinion.
Bastian said:
I don't think someone called him a bigot, someone just questioned his choice of word.
I use gay, meaning stupid/sucks, as mentioned in casual context. Just for the record, I do not care if anyone takes offense to it or not.
seymore15074 said:
English is a very rich language, why are you fascinated with the word "gay?"
Americans puzzle me a lot sometimes, go to a bar, figuring out who is/isn't gay is one of guys favorite pass times. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised by girls talking about it, but guys, I'm not so sure why they have to concern themselves about guys who aren't hitting on them.
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Oy-Vey !
You watched the Emmy's AND Ryan Seacrest ?
Doug
( talk about 'gay'...... Oy-Vey ! )
* NFL football was on and so was the Red Sox vs. Yankees.
Bastian said:
You watched the Emmy's AND Ryan Seacrest ?
Doug
( talk about 'gay'...... Oy-Vey ! )
* NFL football was on and so was the Red Sox vs. Yankees.
Giving Bastian A 25' Clearance Area For Safety Purposes
Originally Posted by Bastian
I heard Ryan Seacrest use this term on the Emmy's last night and thought of this post.
You watched the Emmy's AND Ryan Seacrest ?
Doug
( talk about 'gay'...... Oy-Vey ! )
* NFL football was on and so was the Red Sox vs. Yankees.
I hear you but, I think that your are in severe danger of giant falling beercans.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a_ga8Tu2eM
Doug
( scratching myself and farting while I type this )
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Originally Posted by Bastian
I heard Ryan Seacrest use this term on the Emmy's last night and thought of this post.
You watched the Emmy's AND Ryan Seacrest ?
Doug
( talk about 'gay'...... Oy-Vey ! )
* NFL football was on and so was the Red Sox vs. Yankees.
Bastian said:
I hear you but, I think that your are in severe danger of giant falling beercans.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a_ga8Tu2eM
Doug
( scratching myself and farting while I type this )
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Wish I could watch it here from work, but alas, will have to guess as to the content of the video.
Regardless, I'm quite comfortable with my 'masculinity' lol.. I don't drink beer (am a vodka man, myself).. I don't watch sports, except for the occasional big playoff game or world series, and yes, I watch Stargate! I also live to make my wife smile, and go to great lengths to see it happen.
The folks who would think less of me for any of the above, are just another group of folks who's opinion doesn't much matter to me. For what it's worth, I don't use the term 'gay' in a derogatory fashion, but I also don't think less of anyone who does..
Life's too short to concern ones self with such trivial matters!
Regardless, I'm quite comfortable with my 'masculinity' lol.. I don't drink beer (am a vodka man, myself).. I don't watch sports, except for the occasional big playoff game or world series, and yes, I watch Stargate! I also live to make my wife smile, and go to great lengths to see it happen.
The folks who would think less of me for any of the above, are just another group of folks who's opinion doesn't much matter to me. For what it's worth, I don't use the term 'gay' in a derogatory fashion, but I also don't think less of anyone who does..
Life's too short to concern ones self with such trivial matters!
Bastian said:
Isn't that the truth. If only it didn't take a lifetime to learn that...
seymore15074 said:
This is one of the top all time top post........
thank you seymore.......
Sometimes things that used to be wrong were wrong for a reason and are still wrong.... no matter how many folks tell you that you are wrong for saying somebody else is wrong. right?
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Oh, you mean like bigotry. Right. Still wrong.
pj
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Bastian said:
They only "chose" an 'alternative' lifestyle, they never chose to offend those bigots. They were not demeaning or making fun of anyone. Why do you think it's right for them to be bigoted when they have done nothing wrong to you?
Well using bigoted as a verb implies an entirely different meaning. If someone wants to hate homosexuals, for whatever reason, so be it. I'd prefer to see humanity advance beyond that, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. It's in the expression of said bigotry that can be deemed right or wrong, as it impacts the other party directly.
Even then, it's the means with which someone expresses the bigotry, and the forum in where they express it, that the applicable community can and hopefully will take a stance against it. I think if we separate the belief, from the action, we would all find ourselves more in agreement on such topics.
Even then, it's the means with which someone expresses the bigotry, and the forum in where they express it, that the applicable community can and hopefully will take a stance against it. I think if we separate the belief, from the action, we would all find ourselves more in agreement on such topics.