Would 8 ball be much more interesting to the general TV viewing public if....

how did golf get a dedicated channel ... a channel i always skipped ... an entire channel 24/7 dedicated to nothing but guys/gals swinging a club into a golf ball with a goal of ringing a hole. this is basically no different than pool
People who play golf have lots of disposable income. Companies really like being associated with golf (look at the sponsors for pro tournaments: banks, consulting firms, industrial companies). Golf is very expensive and golfers spend lots of money on both playing and equipment. Golfers are also likely to be high-value targets for advertising of non-golf products, like business technology solutions, luxury watches and cars, travel, etc.

What I find funny is the focus on gambling as the downfall of pool. The biggest golf bets I've seen could buy you a house. I can't really say that about pool betting.

If I were in charge of marketing pool, I'd emphasize the gambling a little, but get rid of the dive bar stuff (and I love dive bars). I think polities allowing smoking in pool rooms is probably more detrimental to pool than any of the gambling stuff. Look at the kinds of programs Draft Kings and other sports books advertise on. It isn't the gambling, it is the association with down-market environments that holds pool back. If pool were associated with wealthy businessmen gambling high in private clubs, we'd have a pool channel on cable.
 
I have never been real comfortable with anything bright red. Red is noted for having perhaps the worst "bloom" of any color for photography. I assume the same is true of video. Blue and yellow might be the better choice because of that although I like the appearance of the yellow and red slightly better.

I assume these are english blackball sets but I know very little about the game. I assume it is eightball with little rules variation. It is played on small to very tiny tables and the players can be very creative dealing with traffic.

While solids and stripes work just fine for pool players I have never seen any reason for numbers on the balls playing eight ball. I like the idea of being able to say one player has yellow the other has blue and even the most uninformed watcher immediately knows each player's standing in the game and the problems they face.
I'm an English pool player myself. At a glance, it's also much easier to see shot selections and routes, especially in your peripheral vision. I don't get that chance playing American eight-ball, and I often have to study the whole table to map out my selection.
 
I'm an English pool player myself. At a glance, it's also much easier to see shot selections and routes, especially in your peripheral vision. I don't get that chance playing American eight-ball, and I often have to study the whole table to map out my selection.
Generally a good idea to map out your run. The diff colors and #s make it easy to say to someone: "7, 2, 5, 3, 8" to let em in on your master plan...before you overrun position by a foot and have to recalculate that is :p. I still prefer it to this yellow, then that yellow, then the yellow by the side....tedious. I like the Y/R balls to play on, but for coaching someone up on patterns it isn't ideal, and for TV it is awful. I want announcers to be able to easily convey the pattern they see and predict.
 
Golf is a game played by many, it is shown at beautiful venues unlike those you are likely to see as a player. The golfers have beautiful swings most golfers don't get to see in person let alone feel like they do the same thing. Plus the drama of a back9 in the final round of a major with a few guys in it is captivating.

Pool by comparison is played by way fewer people regularly and the TV tables look exactly like those amateurs play on. You can barely ever see a full stance to analyze a pro's technique too, tho that only affects hardcore pool nuts. Regular pool folks wouldn't be able to distinguish one style from another, and with mechanics so locked down in pool, many could convince themselves they have the same fundamentals as so and so on TV. At least winner break is back in world championships bc the drama of an alternate break final where one guy gets a lead is about as captivating as a lullaby.

Plus golf can have a channel--channels really as I know of at least 4 on my internet TV--because there are constantly events going on between all the different tours out there and ppl gobble up instructional vids and tip videos like crazy. Meanwhile in pool, bangers rather spend $700 on a new shaft to help their game rather than actually get a lesson to improve spin quality.

And finally the most obv reason: sponsors. There's a lot of money in golf and golf equipment sponsors provide a ton of it. Watching a replay of an event on NBCgolf channel is basically unwatchable as it is 50/50 ads. SkyGolf is nice tho, with picture in picture ads for live events and a much smaller amount than American TV for replays.

These games are not even comparable when you consider a middle of the road mini tour golfer makes as much as the very best pool players in the world...and that's not counting his sponsorship deals.
Based on things I've read, here on the internet, pool is actually played by more people than golf. (I don't have the sources so don't ask.) But, think about it. There are a lot of people, dozens (maybe hundreds) even, who go out to their local bars, drink, and play pool every weekend. Seriously though, go to a hole in the wall bar with a pool table. A lot of time there's people playing. And that's just your little bar. But what investment did they have to make to play that game Basically nothing. They were there already, pulled a cue off the wall (didn't look at the tip but rolled it on the table to make sure it's straight), pushed their quarters in, got to break the balls hard (always fun,) and played a game that the vast majority look at as luck with a touch of skill. And when the night ends, they probably won't remember they even played. It was a fun night.

Let's get to golf and it's commitment, though. Make a tee time. Are your clubs in order? Are you wearing the right clothes for the course? Do I have anything else I need to do today? And most people don't show up to a golf course without clubs. They might be borrowed. But they still brought them (most pool players don't worry about bringing a cue.) It's a fun time out with your friends. And if they hit a really good shot... Well, they're going to remember that shot more than they remember the bad ones. Pool, on the other hand, they might remember if they won that singular game they played. But, most likely, they won't even remember playing pool as a part of their night. Golf, though, is an event.

While I consider golf and pool to be similar games (out of shape people can play either one extremely well), they're not the same when it comes to tv time. Golf is typically played by at least middle income folks, whereas, pool is played by anyone who ventures into a bar and can pick up a stick. Plus, we have so many competitive options to watch here in the US compared to other countries.

In my opinion, unless pool somehow manages to get at least as exciting and explained properly via commentator as cornhole, it's stuck where it's at.
People who play golf have lots of disposable income. Companies really like being associated with golf (look at the sponsors for pro tournaments: banks, consulting firms, industrial companies). Golf is very expensive and golfers spend lots of money on both playing and equipment. Golfers are also likely to be high-value targets for advertising of non-golf products, like business technology solutions, luxury watches and cars, travel, etc.

What I find funny is the focus on gambling as the downfall of pool. The biggest golf bets I've seen could buy you a house. I can't really say that about pool betting.

If I were in charge of marketing pool, I'd emphasize the gambling a little, but get rid of the dive bar stuff (and I love dive bars). I think polities allowing smoking in pool rooms is probably more detrimental to pool than any of the gambling stuff. Look at the kinds of programs Draft Kings and other sports books advertise on. It isn't the gambling, it is the association with down-market environments that holds pool back. If pool were associated with wealthy businessmen gambling high in private clubs, we'd have a pool channel on cable.
I had an entire post about this typed up but you nailed in in way fewer words.

The problem is, those dive bars (I love them too) are where the vast majority of where pool is played in the US. And No Smoking rules haven't helped any pool rooms around me.

I just feel like the US has too many competitive sports/games for the average person to spend their time on. I mean, how is pool supposed to compete with football, basketball, baseball, hockey, golf, etc... To the best of my knowledge, most other countries don't have that many options.
 
Colors shmullers... all pool needs is a little old fashioned alpha manliness.

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I've said it forever, people love action and violence. Look on the stage, its the Terminator himself.
Players get one slap each after every game or bring in outsiders from the audience, spouses, etc. No weight class.
We could always bring in the girls, sex sells. What household wouldn't watch good looking gals slapping
the piss out of each other.
Look at the timing of the swing, we could compare it to stroke timing for starters.
I am sure we could come up with a fine plan.
 
Well, maybe not quite forever. Here are the rules for reds-and-yellows eight ball, modestly named "BBC Co Billiards" by the Brunswick-Balke-Collender Company around 1908. This set of rules is from their 1914 rule book. I have not seen an early (clay) set of these balls, but reds-and-yellows were the official balls (phenolic) around 1980 and 1981 and used in the US Championships. I'm guessing that from about World War I until 1979, everyone simply used a regular set of balls and played stripes and solids.

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Rule #1 - the players can either shake or bank for the break?? Maybe “bank for the break” means to lag? Any idea what “shake” means?
 
Really? Explain golf viewership #'s then? The problem isn't the game but simply in presentation. Snooker has been huge on tv for yrs. British 8b/Blackball has big viewing audiences as well. For pool to work on tv it has to be a fairly quick game with simple easy-to-follow rules. 8,9,or 10ball would all work if presented right.
Snooker *used* to be huge because because it was heavily featured on BBC back when they had like 2 channels. With the number of TV channels and streaming services available today, their numbers are steadily declining.

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how did golf get a dedicated channel ... a channel i always skipped ... an entire channel 24/7 dedicated to nothing but guys/gals swinging a club into a golf ball with a goal of ringing a hole. this is basically no different than pool

Because millions of Americans play golf?
 
Rule #1 - the players can either shake or bank for the break?? Maybe “bank for the break” means to lag? Any idea what “shake” means?
Bank means you play the cue ball off a bank to return to a bank. In England it is called "stringing". Yes, lagging.

Shake means to shake the pea bottle and draw peas.

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Billy: I think he is going to shoot that red ball next.
Danny: Which red ball Billy?
Billy: The one near the side pocket.
Danny: You mean the 3 ball?
Billy: There is no 3 ball Danny. All his balls are red, see.
Danny: His balls are red? He must have slept on the street last night...
 
Do it like a baseball game, soon as the player starts walking around, zoom in on a hot chick in the stands and put up a kiss cam :)
Nobody and I mean nobody wants to see two people kissing in a pool crowd. Some of the ugliest people I've ever seen
 
i dont see any reason why people would gravitate to golf vs pool .....
Because they play golf and know it's hard, for some reason they think pool is easy no matter how bad they suck.

They all think, if the cue ball was in that spot everytime they'd run out too. People are stupid
 
Billy: I think he is going to shoot that red ball next.
Danny: Which red ball Billy?
Billy: The one near the side pocket.
Danny: You mean the 3 ball?
Billy: There is no 3 ball Danny. All his balls are red, see.
Danny: His balls are red? He must have slept on the street last night...
I wonder if he's also amphibias
 
I've said it forever, people love action and violence. Look on the stage, its the Terminator himself.
Players get one slap each after every game or bring in outsiders from the audience, spouses, etc. No weight class.
We could always bring in the girls, sex sells. What household wouldn't watch good looking gals slapping
the piss out of each other.
Look at the timing of the swing, we could compare it to stroke timing for starters.
I am sure we could come up with a fine plan.
Is that called Slap a Ho?
 
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