I do this sort of thing fairly regular myself. Sometimes my opponent probably gets the wrong idea, but really I'm only frustrated with myself. I give people the 8 all the time, sometimes just a 'That's good' and sometimes a pissed off pocket the 8 with my cue swing, like you describe, but i always try to make sure that my opponent understands I'm not pissed at him, just myself.
Would this bother you
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DDKoop... I love Efren Reyes so much. He misses a bunny said:Don't forget scratching his head, and pulling his collar.
Teacherman,
Unfortunately your rep would preceed you and you would not start out as a new player 4 but as a 7.
And like it or not, teams really don't want 7's on their team. In fact, they don't even want 6's. 7's and 6's have to start their own team.
DDKoop. Why would that upset you? You never lost a game by hanging the 8 or 9?
And then what did you say, "Oh, how silly of me to miss that shot".
Wish I had a dollar for every time I saw someone slam the balls when they screwed up.
Even the petite little ladies do it every once in a while. And the words that come out of that pretty little mouth.
Jake
Unfortunately your rep would preceed you and you would not start out as a new player 4 but as a 7.
And like it or not, teams really don't want 7's on their team. In fact, they don't even want 6's. 7's and 6's have to start their own team.
DDKoop. Why would that upset you? You never lost a game by hanging the 8 or 9?
And then what did you say, "Oh, how silly of me to miss that shot".
Wish I had a dollar for every time I saw someone slam the balls when they screwed up.
Even the petite little ladies do it every once in a while. And the words that come out of that pretty little mouth.
Jake
jjinfla said:
What rep? If I moved to a new area no one would know me.
Are you a new player?....new to league? Yeah, most teams don't want a 7 but they all want a 7 handicapped like a 4 or a 5. Which I could do if I wanted to.
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fxskater said:
WHY? I do not get this, why do you give up? Only losers give up before it is over..
turquoisecrazy said:
most people give up the last ball out of courtesy............just about everyone does or has done this.
even at the U.S. Open Thorsten through in the towel as Gabe was getting down on the final 9 ball.
thanks
VAP
vapoolplayer said:
Not in the Joss Northeast Tour run by Mike Zuglan. Give up the 9 there and you give up the next rack too.
catscradle said:
you know, i've never understood that. i play on a few tours that have that rule. could someone please give me some sort of explanation why that is? i can understand in the final rounds, or the feature matches when there are alot of spectators, they don't want you to do that. but i don't understand why they don't want you to concede a ball in a normal match.
funny thing happened at a tourney a few weeks ago. i won't mention any names, but the tourney director was playing a match. this tour has that rule. well he's down 8-3 racing to 9, and concedes the final 9. someone from the crowd shouts, does that mean you lose that game and take one off to make the final score 9-2??!! the TD didn't think it was as funny as everyone esle though.......
what i also don't get is why some people REFUSE to extend this courtesy after its already been extended to them?? i know that anyone can miss any shot at any time.......but come on. case in point, i won't mention any names here, but in the state tournament that was held in richmond last year, one of the AZB forum members was in the finals, and he conceded the 9 a couple times to the opponent, even conceded the 8 and 9 one game.........well when he was at the table and had a STRAIGHT in shot on the 9, the other guy didn't even blink, just let him shoot it.
if you've got to hope that your opponent doesn't make the 9 so you can win a game or two.....time to get back to the practice room.
it also bewilders me how many league bangers are so super sensitive to conceding a ball. i'm a fairly high ranked player (7) and when i play a 6 or better, sometimes even a 5 who's having a good night, i concede the 9 and sometimes the 8,9 all the time. a team i used to be on would constantly get bent all out of shape at me for this................again, if your oppenent got to the 9, you probably did something wrong and let him get there anyway.
pretty much a senseless post i just made all in all, but i'm here bored, so i just figured i'd air out things i didn't understand, or that bothered me....
thanks
VAP
vapoolplayer said:
I believe it is a form of sharking. You give it once and not the second game. Creates a potential mental interruption to someones focus. Obviously on the hill game it does not mattter anymore. It's a good rule anyway, miscue or anything can happen.
jjinfla said:
Jake,
I've had people give me the 8 before and it was never an issue and I always took it as a sign of respect. It's just the way it was done but like I said already, I should have just kept it to myself. My bad for airing my thoughts.
As far as me hanging an 8 or 9. Can't even count that high but I have yet to rake the balls in frustration and yes I do walk away shaking my head to myself. I don't really know if you're implying that you know how I would react but if you are you may want to meet someone before putting words in their mouth.
Dave
Well since you are from Virginia, you may have heard of JH (Shorty). The story that was related to me was that the rule used to be called the Shorty H rule.vapoolplayer said:
The way it was explained to me was that JH was playing someone (can't remember who but a very good player) in a Texas Express Tournament a long time ago. JH started out missing a couple of balls and would just rake all the balls in and concede the game. He did this for a few games and then stopped. His opponent was not in stroke and was frustrated by JH raking in the balls in the previous games and played terribly. JH ended up winning the match and the other person complained to the TD.
Texas Express then instituted the JH rule.
Good story; however, I can't say with certainty that is the only reason the rule was instituted. I believe the game happened as I described it as I believe the source was reliable as he was there and knew JH well.
JDB said:
i haven't heard that story, however, i was always taught not to let someone concede more than a couple balls for the reason that you can't get in stroke if you're not shooting.
conceding the 9 or 8/9 IMO is sportsmanlike if thats what you choose to do. conceding the more than that would be considered sharking.
i think i see the light, like everything else, there were too many problems and someond just said F**k it, don't conced anything.
i do know of shorty by the way.
this is off topic, but and interesting story.......(just one of those pool room fables that is told everywhere i think)
a young player on the road goes into a new room and sees an old man playing........so he asks him if he wants to play for a few jelly beans.
they make a game, playing 9 ball even. they flip a coin and the the old man gets the first break...........he breaks the balls, doesn't make anything but leaves a wide open table, he rakes all the balls and concedes the game.
the young player breaks, makes a ball, and leaves a good spread, again the old man rakes the balls in.....
kinda puzzled the kid breaks again, and the same thing happens............this time the kid asks the old man, "why do you keep doing that"
the old man smiles and says "well if you're not out from there son.........you've made the wrong game!!!!"
i thought that was pretty good the first time i heard it.
thanks
VAP
The problem with handicapping is
This thread really went astray but it went in a direction that really interests me. Teacherman, you made an excellent point when you said that sandbagging is difficult to do in your tournaments because you're watching the players and don't allow it. That, in my opinion, is the only way handicapped tournaments should be run, i.e., the TD has to be on top of what's going on at all times. Unfortunately, too many TDs set the tournaments up, announce the rules and then are so busy getting the results and posting or watching shots that they don't clock the players. And, even if they do clock the players, they are often unwilling to move them up in the ratings fearing they won't come back to play.
The other thing that just gripes me about tournaments, not just handicapped ones either, is that rules are posted and the TDs don't have the fortitude to enforce them. There are big time pro players that have gotten away with breaking most of the rules and never seem to get sanctioned and many of the other pros complain about it. I think this is one of the reasons that Efren's behavior is so revered because he is so far above those players that break the rules. Most of the players do follow the rules it's just those few that continue to get away with it time and time again that makes it bad for everyone. Cleaning this up will, imho, help pool in the long run.
This thread really went astray but it went in a direction that really interests me. Teacherman, you made an excellent point when you said that sandbagging is difficult to do in your tournaments because you're watching the players and don't allow it. That, in my opinion, is the only way handicapped tournaments should be run, i.e., the TD has to be on top of what's going on at all times. Unfortunately, too many TDs set the tournaments up, announce the rules and then are so busy getting the results and posting or watching shots that they don't clock the players. And, even if they do clock the players, they are often unwilling to move them up in the ratings fearing they won't come back to play.
The other thing that just gripes me about tournaments, not just handicapped ones either, is that rules are posted and the TDs don't have the fortitude to enforce them. There are big time pro players that have gotten away with breaking most of the rules and never seem to get sanctioned and many of the other pros complain about it. I think this is one of the reasons that Efren's behavior is so revered because he is so far above those players that break the rules. Most of the players do follow the rules it's just those few that continue to get away with it time and time again that makes it bad for everyone. Cleaning this up will, imho, help pool in the long run.
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whitewolf said:
Did you proof read this?
We're all wrong about the APA?.......where there is no sandbagging in one area, but yes, sandbagging in another area..............
Secondly, there are two ways of sandbagging.........lowering yours.........and raising his. And in the one area, you don't even have to play to raise his..........Just protest...............Please people, use your transmission and engage the brain
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Teacherman said:Did you proof read this?
We're all wrong about the APA?.......where there is no sandbagging in one area, but yes, sandbagging in another area..............
Secondly, there are two ways of sandbagging.........lowering yours.........and raising his. And in the one area, you don't even have to play to raise his..........Just protest...............Please people, use your transmission and engage the brain
LOL.... could've guessed you'd chime in on that.
You can't help yourself, it's like a sad sad addiction.
Obviously, if it aint your way, then you have to bash....
Can't live and let be... can ya?
Dave, it would have bothered me a little too. I was on a league a few years back, and there were a couple of guys who could play well, but their mannerisms were poor and they really didn't have any finesse. Power shots, mostly, but they were good players. This exact thing happened in one of my matches, and I sort of felt like the guy was going to swing his cue at me next. I realized after watching him play others that he was a sore loser and he was just mad at himself. But I can certainly understand why it would bother you. My grandfather and my father taught me to play when I was 5. They taught me to respect your opponent and to respect the table. I think of it as 'old school' manners. I don't see much of it anymore these days.
I agree! the young players Hell!... The young people now are not taught manners and respect! ....We used to have to adhere to a code of respect and social skills that no longer exist! Hence all of the sad news we listen to day in and day out in regards to 20 somethings and younger! Now having said that ! ..... 
This thread is very confusing it was about sportsmanship and in some areas some folks have a whole other thing going on regarding APA handicaps!!! Oh Well! I guess we do not even respect threads any more! LMAO!!
This thread is very confusing it was about sportsmanship and in some areas some folks have a whole other thing going on regarding APA handicaps!!! Oh Well! I guess we do not even respect threads any more! LMAO!!