Would this piss you off??

1P,

I live not far from Andy, and own several of his cues. I have seen many, many of his cues. Mitered veneers is not a late-breaking new development, nor is the flame pattern for the veneers.

I can understand why your antenna would go up, but I would firmly be in the camp that he didn`t copy a thing. As Sean said, he has been doing this design and coloring for years.

His quality of work is top notch, and he just had 2 of his cues selected for the Grand Collection at the Stroud ICCS show in Las Vegas.

IMO,

Will
 
Cueaddicts...Just because you buy his cues wholesale and sell them on your web site dosen't mean they are top notch cues.
It's in your interest to build them up.
I've owned cues from just about every cue maker out there and I know good work when I see it.. and mine was crap. The inlays were not even centered up in the points and those cheap 20 thousandths veneers that he uses had black stains all over the holly veneers where the ebony bled over into them.
Contrary to what you may believe you are not the only one who knows any thing about cues . I have been buying and selling them for over 20 years myself.
Cue makers seem to be the only occupation that can never be criticized for there shoddy workmanship.
I don't need to criticize anyone to do a hatchetjob. I'm just not afraid to tell it like it is.
 
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I was shopping a design around about 6 months ago and have to admit I would be quite upset if I saw the cue come out from one of the makers I sent the design to. The cue is in progress now and I've purposefully kept the design under wraps, with the exception of a select few, so that I don't see the design from another maker before I get mine!
 
zeeder said:
I was shopping a design around about 6 months ago and have to admit I would be quite upset if I saw the cue come out from one of the makers I sent the design to. The cue is in progress now and I've purposefully kept the design under wraps, with the exception of a select few, so that I don't see the design from another maker before I get mine!
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Don't worry, Zeed, I've already sent that pic to Barry and it's in the works... :)
 
1pRoscoe said:
Don't worry, Zeed, I've already sent that pic to Barry and it's in the works... :)
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Damn you! I called Barry and he told me no dice. :( Oh well...:rolleyes:
 
alpine9430 said:
Or did you mean D. Perry? :D
Only go to DP when you want 1/1
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I'm sure I could get my design done for a small fraction of what I'm paying if I went to DP but I've already lost a decent amount of money on a couple of his cues so I don't think I'll be repeating that mistake!
 
zeeder said:
I'm sure I could get my design done for a small fraction of what I'm paying if I went to DP but I've already lost a decent amount of money on a couple of his cues so I don't think I'll be repeating that mistake!
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After seeing what the cue looks like for Scott from a design you assisted on, I am patiently waiting to see your design.
I am sure it will be equally as creative.

Myron
 
alpine9430 said:
After seeing what the cue looks like for Scott from a design you assisted on, I am patiently waiting to see your design.
I am sure it will be equally as creative.

Myron
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In all fairness, I did little with the design other than photoshopping it to give Scott an idea of what it would look like. Also, Scott's design is more unique than mine is. My design is a relatively simple spin on a classic design. I am quite excited about it nonetheless! I will probably have some progress pictures here in a couple of months with the cue being finished some time in the middle of next year.
 
bigpocket said:
I had a cue maker want to charge me $800 to put 1 of 1 on a cue I designed myself!!!! I thought that was nut's being the cue only costed me $775 to make it for me.:mad:
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i see nothing wrong with that at all. even though it was your "idea" the maker still has to draw out the design, make templates or code and the layouts for the inlay work to be created that you want done. do you think it's right that he spend the extra time and extra money needed to "recreate" your thoughts and not be able to reuse what took him much time to create without charging you for his time and efforts? also if the cue was simple and had no inlay work and was just say a simple 4 point 4 veneer cue with standard ring work the only way he would sign something like this one of one without charging for it is if the cue was so hideous to him that he would never or make it again period. there are too many possible opportunities that could arise that he could satisfy another customer with either the same simple work or work he had to recreate on his dime. imo if you want one of one you have to pay for it.
 
skins said:
i see nothing wrong with that at all. even though it was your "idea" the maker still has to draw out the design, make templates or code and the layouts for the inlay work to be created that you want done. do you think it's right that he spend the extra time and extra money needed to "recreate" your thoughts and not be able to reuse what took him much time to create without charging you for his time and efforts? also if the cue was simple and had no inlay work and was just say a simple 4 point 4 veneer cue with standard ring work the only way he would sign something like this one of one without charging for it is if the cue was so hideous to him that he would never or make it again period. there are too many possible opportunities that could arise that he could satisfy another customer with either the same simple work or work he had to recreate on his dime. imo if you want one of one you have to pay for it.
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As far as I'm concerned, if I come up with a unique design I own the design and the cuemaker should not reuse said design without my permission. It's just like any other copyright as far as I can figure. As far as the cost goes, the cuemaker should quote a price and then stick to that price after it has been quoted. If it's a unique design it should be quoted on it's merits not on whether the cuemaker can reproduce as many copies as he likes. Just my thoughts and feelings on the subject.
 
zeeder said:
As far as I'm concerned, if I come up with a unique design I own the design and the cuemaker should not reuse said design without my permission. It's just like any other copyright as far as I can figure. As far as the cost goes, the cuemaker should quote a price and then stick to that price after it has been quoted. If it's a unique design it should be quoted on it's merits not on whether the cuemaker can reproduce as many copies as he likes. Just my thoughts and feelings on the subject.
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that's all well and good but see that's my point exactly also. if you come up with a "unique" design then of course that will be figured in the cost of the cue and shouldn't be used again i'm not arguing that. maybe i wasn't clear in my previous post i'm talking about the use of non unique inlay work like, diamonds, dots, lines, boxes, veneer colors ect.... that are grandfathered in for all cue makers to use not what you would see us or others like, manzino, herceck, black ect...... do because they would put those costs into the cue if they knew they're making a one of one. i don't know of any maker that will make a low to mid priced cue that has no "unique" design work that wouldn't charge extra for it's status as 1 of 1? besides the scenario i've already explained in my previous post. i hope this explains my thoughts.
 
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skins said:
that's all well and good but see that's my point exactly also. if you come up with a "unique" design then of course that will be figured in the cost of the cue and shouldn't be used again i'm not arguing that.
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Sorry, I guess what confused me was when you said:

skins said:
Do you think it's right that he spend the extra time and extra money needed to "recreate" your thoughts and not be able to reuse what took him much time to create without charging you for his time and efforts?
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To me, this implies that it is not a standard cue as he would likely already have the templates/code to perform the cue. If it's a standard cue with just your preferred veneer combination and some diamonds or whatever then it's a little nonsensical to ask the cuemaker to not duplicate it.
 
zeeder said:
If it's a standard cue with just your preferred veneer combination and some diamonds or whatever then it's a little nonsensical to ask the cuemaker to not duplicate it.
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i think that this was probably the case in the post i responded too but it's just a hunch. sorry for the confusion. :)
 
LetsRoll,

I am am confused. Are you saying that the only reason Cueaddicts is saying that Andy Gilbert builds a good cue is to get everyone to buy his cues and therfore you would be saying that Cueaddicts has alterior motives to his statements. If this is the case then I guess no one should say anything because well if someone that has bought over 100 of these cues over the past eight years has no true credtials to say that, then who does? And if he has bought this many cues from this guy, wouldn't you think the cues are pretty good? I mean for a reseller to invest so much into this one cuemaker? Besides it looks like he has been buying from all of the top cuemakers in the country. So he looks like he knows what he is talking about. Unfortunaltely the trueth is you cant please everyone. I think Andy's Work is Awesome. Over the past few years I have owned over a dozen of his cues and I have never had one problem with the cues construction, finish or playability.

By the Way.
My name is Jeff and I am a Cueaddict!:eek:
 
letsroll said:
Cueaddicts...Just because you buy his cues wholesale and sell them on your web site dosen't mean they are top notch cues.
It's in your interest to build them up.
I've owned cues from just about every cue maker out there and I know good work when I see it.. and mine was crap. The inlays were not even centered up in the points and those cheap 20 thousandths veneers that he uses had black stains all over the holly veneers where the ebony bled over into them.
Contrary to what you may believe you are not the only one who knows any thing about cues . I have been buying and selling them for over 20 years myself.
Cue makers seem to be the only occupation that can never be criticized for there shoddy workmanship.
I don't need to criticize anyone to do a hatchetjob. I'm just not afraid to tell it like it is.
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Whoever you are,

You know, what you have said here in this reply has absolutely zero to do with your post and even shows more that you are someone with little credibility. Wallah....here you are and this is your first post on AZ....or maybe just another ID and you are really someone else. Who cares really, but the issue here is the way you did this hatchet-job.

Whether we or any other dealer might have an arrangement with Andy or anyone else has absolutely no bearing on your post or position. It's a simple fact that Andy's cues are among the best you can get for the money. There's really no debate there....argeement among consumers abounds.

Does Andy make a mistake here and there? Sure...he's human and so are other cuemakers. But I can tell you personally that Andy has stood behind whatever issue I've had with a cue in the past. Same if it was one of our customers. He's always gone above and beyond the call of duty to resolve any issues. That leads me to believe that either you bought the cue and then didn't contact him about your issue, or you did and you were a royal *****. Who knows....and I surely don't care.

Yes, cuemakers can be fairly criticized, but the underhanded manner in which this was done tells me you have little credence.

I'm glad that you aren't afraid to "tell it like it is" but apparently you are afraid to tell us all your name. So, since you've been around cues for 20+ years, who are you ?

Sean
 
1pRoscoe said:
That was kind of my stance on it as well, just was unsure if I was upset over it or not... I hadn't seen mitered veneers from him, especially that close to what I was wanting to do at the time.... Must just be coincidence..

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Now I know what you are up to Ross - you want to look good on the Dr. Cue's webcam!!!
 
1pRoscoe said:
So I came up with a design that I really wanted to have done last year... I emailed my specs to a few different cue makers and found one that I wanted to go with. It's actually my turn, I was notified that the forearm is complete and the cue will be done in a few months... I'm happy about that, it's been a little over a year!!

Then I see this...... First cue.

http://new2youqs.com/cues/miscellaneous5.html

Andy Gilbert was the one that I almost went with after he quoted the time/cost for this design. Looks like he decided to go ahead and make it anyways! I will say he did do one more and added diamonds to the points that I didn't want in the first place, but isn't it a tad ironic that the cue I wanted him to build but never went forward with him magically appears around the same time?

oops, wrong forum...
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Wow...I can't believe I completely missed this thread.

As Joe said, He ordered that cue in like, May of '04. I played some pool with him at his house when he told me about the idea he had for the cue. This was indeed a complete coincidence that it was the same design idea. As others have said, it is not all that original anyway. It's a very nice design, but all the components have been done before.
 
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