Would this piss you off??
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letsroll said:
That post is completely uncalled for, especially from a first time poster with no credibility on the forum. You can find flaws with any cuemaker if you look hard enough, but Andy is very well respected among his peers and in the industry. He has a very loyal following of players and collectors. And no...I am not a Gilbert dealer. I have owned some of his cues and they have all be of the finest quality and craftsmanship.
Ros
Ros,
Sorry we got off the subject there. I hope your not upset about the other cue that your post was originally about. I am sure there was no underhandedness involved.
My congratulation on your taste though. That is a great looking cue. Here is another variation of the cue that I drew up and had made a few years ago. It is the forth cue down.
Enjoy.
Jeff
Ros,
Sorry we got off the subject there. I hope your not upset about the other cue that your post was originally about. I am sure there was no underhandedness involved.
My congratulation on your taste though. That is a great looking cue. Here is another variation of the cue that I drew up and had made a few years ago. It is the forth cue down.
Enjoy.
Jeff
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.....just a figure of speech
Cueaddicts,
You say.. does Andy make mistakes here and there? .. and then you say sure he does. That is what I said. Then you say he has always worked with you to resolve any issues.
I say if there are issues with the cue he should take care of it before he sends it out.
After you wait a year for a cue you shouldn't have to send it back for repair as soon as you get.
Are you saying Andy can't inspect a cue before he sends it out?
If he can.. and he's such a great cue maker .. why can't he see the flaws before he sends it out.. or does he hope you won't notice and just accept it.. since you have waited soooo long for it.
I'm standing by my statement that my 2000.00 cue was flawed and he knew it, and sent it to me anyway.. hoping I wouldn't know the difference.
You say.. does Andy make mistakes here and there? .. and then you say sure he does. That is what I said. Then you say he has always worked with you to resolve any issues.
I say if there are issues with the cue he should take care of it before he sends it out.
After you wait a year for a cue you shouldn't have to send it back for repair as soon as you get.
Are you saying Andy can't inspect a cue before he sends it out?
If he can.. and he's such a great cue maker .. why can't he see the flaws before he sends it out.. or does he hope you won't notice and just accept it.. since you have waited soooo long for it.
I'm standing by my statement that my 2000.00 cue was flawed and he knew it, and sent it to me anyway.. hoping I wouldn't know the difference.
letsroll said:
Man, grow some stones and come on out........
BTW, here's a newsflash for you. Every cuemaker makes some mistakes here and there. Things sometimes have to get fixed. Cues that are built by humans are inherently imperfect, especially inlay work done on a manual pantograph. I've seen a LOT of cues and I'm not sure any of them were "perfect". And one man's perception of quality work may differ from another's. That goes for cuemakers, too.
What I can certainly tell you from my experience is that not everyone can be pleased or satisfied. Since you choose to hide behind your 3 measly posts regarding this with no other input on the forum boards and not laying out the facts or images of said cue for readers to review, that tells me that you are one of these people. I'm glad you are standing behind your statement, but the manner in which you have brought this to light sheds light on your personable credibility.
Cueaddicts,
This thread started off with someone complaining that Andy Gilbert had copied their cue design.
I posted that the same thing had happened to me and that the cue was shipped to me with the inlays not even centered up properly in the points .
You came to Andy's defense and attacked me because it was my first post on this forum.
I don't see why how many post I've posted has anything to do with the truth.
You have a vested interest in defending Andy so you can unload those so called custom cues you have of his.. that you are always marking down after they don't sell.
Well here is my 4th post and I say if he doesn't copy other people designs and ideas .. how about why does he copy Bill Schicks pin design? You know where Bill puts the little ivory tip on his pin.
I have never seen this before Bill did it.. and now Andy copies it.
Now .. argue that for Andy.
You also say he makes a good cue for the money. What does that mean?
He doesn't make a good cue if they cost a little more.
Either they are good cues.. made well.. or they're not.
I wouldn't want my cues sold on the basis that they are good for the money.. which means if you want a really good cue go to somone else and pay more so the inlays will be centered up in the points because Andy's wife uses a manual pantograph.
This thread started off with someone complaining that Andy Gilbert had copied their cue design.
I posted that the same thing had happened to me and that the cue was shipped to me with the inlays not even centered up properly in the points .
You came to Andy's defense and attacked me because it was my first post on this forum.
I don't see why how many post I've posted has anything to do with the truth.
You have a vested interest in defending Andy so you can unload those so called custom cues you have of his.. that you are always marking down after they don't sell.
Well here is my 4th post and I say if he doesn't copy other people designs and ideas .. how about why does he copy Bill Schicks pin design? You know where Bill puts the little ivory tip on his pin.
I have never seen this before Bill did it.. and now Andy copies it.
Now .. argue that for Andy.
You also say he makes a good cue for the money. What does that mean?
He doesn't make a good cue if they cost a little more.
Either they are good cues.. made well.. or they're not.
I wouldn't want my cues sold on the basis that they are good for the money.. which means if you want a really good cue go to somone else and pay more so the inlays will be centered up in the points because Andy's wife uses a manual pantograph.
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I think the way you write some of your statements are too passive aggressive and shows an overall lack of respect to whomever you're talking about. Of course people are going to get defensive. Surely you can understand that with such few posts, but a lot of aggressive wording, you're going upset a few people.letsroll said:
He asked Bill for permission. And Bill granted it. I can name a few other cuemakers who have done the same thing. I.e., saw a really cool unique idea, and asked the cuemaker for permission. Then there are the other cuemakers who have flat out stolen the ideas. That's not what Andy Gilbert has done.
Now you're getting irrational. Andy Gilbert's cues are great cues. Do people need to explain like you're in 3rd grade that his cues sell for less money than other cues of the same quality? And these passive attacks on Vicki is absolutely disgraceful.
I think you should have stayed banned.
Fred
cueaddicts condescension
By cueaddicts reasoning, if you have a lot of postings (even self-serving ones) then you're more knowledgeable than those with fewer. Some would disagree with that.
I've owned two of Gilbert's cues and they both went through the hands of cueaddicts. When I purchased them (neither directly from cueaddicts), both were new and unused and both had workmanship issues that I wouldn't expect from cues priced at more than $1000.00 (cueaddicts prices). Fortunately I bought low and was able to move them but I wouldn't buy more.
If Gilbert has a years waiting list, why does cueaddicts have so many of his cues that they appear to have had for a while? But, maybe it's just a failure to update their website.
Bryan Mordt and Mike Capone build cues in the same price range but you don't see their cues laying up and unsold in dealer inventories to the same extent as the Gilberts at cueaddicts.
This has nothing to do with the playability of Gilbert's cues. I've never hit a ball with one but I do believe that if you are paying $1000.00 and up for a cue, you're spending most of that money on aesthetics and if there are clear issues with the craftsmanship, then you're not getting value for your dollars.
His cues may play great but with so many good cues on the market today, I prefer those that tend to hold their value a little better.
This certainly is not a comment on Andy Gilbert, the person. By all that I have read or heard, he is a good and fine man and the issues that I have seen with a few of his cues are more of a lack of attention to detail than anything else. He unquestionably has the knowledge and experience to build a fine cue but does he have the discipline to "make firewood" of some that probably should not leave his shop? I'm sure that all cuemakers make mistakes and perfection is seldom if ever reached, but I believe that the better/best cuemaker's pride of creation will guide them correctly.
Cueaddicts, as a dealer, clearly has their agenda and I understand that but I see a lot of very knowledgeable people on this forum and not many will be overcome by smoke blown their way.
letsroll said:
By cueaddicts reasoning, if you have a lot of postings (even self-serving ones) then you're more knowledgeable than those with fewer. Some would disagree with that.
I've owned two of Gilbert's cues and they both went through the hands of cueaddicts. When I purchased them (neither directly from cueaddicts), both were new and unused and both had workmanship issues that I wouldn't expect from cues priced at more than $1000.00 (cueaddicts prices). Fortunately I bought low and was able to move them but I wouldn't buy more.
If Gilbert has a years waiting list, why does cueaddicts have so many of his cues that they appear to have had for a while? But, maybe it's just a failure to update their website.
Bryan Mordt and Mike Capone build cues in the same price range but you don't see their cues laying up and unsold in dealer inventories to the same extent as the Gilberts at cueaddicts.
This has nothing to do with the playability of Gilbert's cues. I've never hit a ball with one but I do believe that if you are paying $1000.00 and up for a cue, you're spending most of that money on aesthetics and if there are clear issues with the craftsmanship, then you're not getting value for your dollars.
His cues may play great but with so many good cues on the market today, I prefer those that tend to hold their value a little better.
This certainly is not a comment on Andy Gilbert, the person. By all that I have read or heard, he is a good and fine man and the issues that I have seen with a few of his cues are more of a lack of attention to detail than anything else. He unquestionably has the knowledge and experience to build a fine cue but does he have the discipline to "make firewood" of some that probably should not leave his shop? I'm sure that all cuemakers make mistakes and perfection is seldom if ever reached, but I believe that the better/best cuemaker's pride of creation will guide them correctly.
Cueaddicts, as a dealer, clearly has their agenda and I understand that but I see a lot of very knowledgeable people on this forum and not many will be overcome by smoke blown their way.
Ross, I've got to give it to you.....you really know how to draw out the nut-jobs. Do you ever get the feeling that our society's gene pool is rapidly becoming depleted. Bummer. 
letsroll (or whoever in heck you are), email me pictures of your cue. If you're so unhappy with it, I may just offer to buy it from you. Since you obviously know our site, then I presume you can get my email address from there.
Cues, thanks for presuming to know any of our business. I must say, though, you really haven't a clue. You also don't have much of a clue about Andy's cues from reading your post.
Oh, well, enough fun for now....Later guys.
Sean
letsroll (or whoever in heck you are), email me pictures of your cue. If you're so unhappy with it, I may just offer to buy it from you. Since you obviously know our site, then I presume you can get my email address from there.
Cues, thanks for presuming to know any of our business. I must say, though, you really haven't a clue. You also don't have much of a clue about Andy's cues from reading your post.
Oh, well, enough fun for now....Later guys.
Sean
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"Simple", yes, maybe, I dunno. But, what a cool modification it is!zeeder said:
Zeeder is correct, in that I had a few design ideas, but lacked the technical ability to put them together and see how the entire cue would look. He did that for me (see the photoshop below) and Jim White took that, made a few suggestions and I couldn't be more pleased with the end result.
p.s. Sorry, Ross, for hijacking your thread. At least this hijack is not a flame war!
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