Are the players employees or independent contractors?
WPBA Fine of $2,000
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I am reminded of when Chezka "Flash" Centero from Philippines was penalized by WPA because her ankle skin was showing. And the pool purists came out of the woodwork to defend the WPA proclaiming, "But it's a rule. It's a rule. It's a rule."
Well, it's a stupid rule, just like this $2,000 fine on a 17-year-old. It's ridiculous. But carry one, pool purists.
Meanwhile, a tour in Florida had contacted WPBA numerous times to get their event sanctions, and guess what she received? Crickets. No reply.
Well, it's a stupid rule, just like this $2,000 fine on a 17-year-old. It's ridiculous. But carry one, pool purists.
Meanwhile, a tour in Florida had contacted WPBA numerous times to get their event sanctions, and guess what she received? Crickets. No reply.
Bingo! You hit the nail on the head with this one. Best post in the thread.
If my employer is not paying me during my off time they have absolutely no business dictating what I do during my off time.
both have to abide by the contract and rules they sign. its a deal you make and are supposed to honor it.
and both can be subject to the penalties specified.
i agree as long as they dont feel it affects their business model.
as in your time off you cant go around using your free speech to hurt them. or do work for a competitor.
sure you can legally but then expect to suffer the consequences they can do, such as firing you.
The higher you go in a company the less true this becomes. Lots of normal people have non-compete clauses.
The closing words from two of pool's talking heads at the end of the Window's Open podcast today.
MOLINA MIKE: Let me let me ask you this, because you've been around this sh*t for a long time, and I'll end the show here. Do you really think that that rule gets changed?
MIKE PANOZZO: Yes, I do. I do think that. I do think that it gets changed. I think that cage has been rattled enough. There's been enough consensus among everyone.
There are very few people in the world right now who aren't on the WPBA board who are defending the current policy. Okay? If it was 60-40 In favor against the policy, I'd say maybe not. but it's like 97-3 that this is just a bad policy that needs to be changed, needs to be updated.
They need to think about the women a little bit deeper. They need to look at this list that they've come up with and say, "This is a stupid long, big list of people that we're limiting their play. Okay? So we've got to come up with some alternative."
I don't think the alternative is going to be just open the floodgates and play wherever the hell you want. I think there will still be some kind of restrictions on top players, and we'll see what they are. But if everybody can live with them going forward, then I think it's win-win.
So I do think it'll be changed. How quickly, I don't know, but I I would hope by the end of the year so that they can start January next year with new rules in place. That's what I would hope for.
MOLINA MIKE: I got a lot more faith now, after hearing that from you, buddy.
MOLINA MIKE: Let me let me ask you this, because you've been around this sh*t for a long time, and I'll end the show here. Do you really think that that rule gets changed?
MIKE PANOZZO: Yes, I do. I do think that. I do think that it gets changed. I think that cage has been rattled enough. There's been enough consensus among everyone.
There are very few people in the world right now who aren't on the WPBA board who are defending the current policy. Okay? If it was 60-40 In favor against the policy, I'd say maybe not. but it's like 97-3 that this is just a bad policy that needs to be changed, needs to be updated.
They need to think about the women a little bit deeper. They need to look at this list that they've come up with and say, "This is a stupid long, big list of people that we're limiting their play. Okay? So we've got to come up with some alternative."
I don't think the alternative is going to be just open the floodgates and play wherever the hell you want. I think there will still be some kind of restrictions on top players, and we'll see what they are. But if everybody can live with them going forward, then I think it's win-win.
So I do think it'll be changed. How quickly, I don't know, but I I would hope by the end of the year so that they can start January next year with new rules in place. That's what I would hope for.
MOLINA MIKE: I got a lot more faith now, after hearing that from you, buddy.
It would be useful to hear the reasoning of the WPBA, but it's not in the nature of most organizations to explain themselves.
7 total tournaments doesn't make for much of a living for a lot of players.
I might be inclined to say they should be thankful for the players with only 7 total events.
They don't get a salary I'm aware of.
Players should be free to play any tournament they want to that isn't conflicting with those events.
Why wouldn't the WPBA want the women out there entering events and advertising their brand to other upcoming female
players who are entering the now forbidden events?
Sound like they aren't utilizing their resources well.
they are free to do so in many or most tournaments. but ones put on by a particular business , they get to decide who plays and who doesn't.
just like you get to decide who comes into your house or who you talk to or where you shop. or who you sell something to. or what business you decide to work for.
just like you get to decide who comes into your house or who you talk to or where you shop. or who you sell something to. or what business you decide to work for.
Reasonable? Not at all. . not when you not providing players with even close to the opportunity to make a living playing the game. It’s like a job paying you barely above minimum wage but also telling you you can’t work a 2nd job lol
Exactly.
What players do on their free time should be up to them.
Not if they have signed an agreement that restricts their actions in return for something of value to them.
I think there is a reason the restriction was included in the WPBA player contract. It would be good to know the history and reason of the restriction. We don't know that yet.
If it was a league like the nfl. Where you sign a contract and your guaranteed money then yes they can tell you you can’t play somewhere else. These guys are free agents. They need to make a living. You want to restrict where they play sign them to contracts and give them guaranteed money. But that’s not happening anytime soon.
I always enjoyed your posts but lately the more I read your post the more I realize your an old man that has become out of touch with modern reality.
My point is it shouldn't be in the contract because the clause defeats the real purpose in my opinion.
If you give a contract to a player who wants to be a upcoming professional and its a sign it or never be one
of the upcoming professionals, many will choose to sign it because there isn't another womans tour in town
to go play.
That doesn't mean that harm isn't being done.
When things like this happen it shines a light on the issue and I have to hope that these conversations that spread
industry wide make the clause in the contract go away.
I think they should, but I am not running that show. It might even be that sponsors have a say in this.
All of us have a boss and the more people drawn into the fray should increase public response so sponsors
should have a stake in it.
I'm actually not sure what they do get that is of value... they get to pay to compete in the WPBA events?
Almost certainly in the agreement to restrict competition and for self-preservation. Players have no leverage
The WPBA organizes the women's tour/events. If the WPBA goes away, I think most of those events will go away. Somebody has to coordinate with venues and find sponsors.
It appears that the player members vote. The Board of Directors is elected. I suspect that most of the Board is unpaid volunteers.