WPC 2007 Finals

[BigCat]

I am going to go out on a limb here and say that if you were dissapointed in the play during the finals you are at best a D player

Eric.

I was thinking the exact same thing.

Anyone who has ever been in the situation to win a tournament after many, many hours of play knows that playing your last match at the same level you played your first match is one of the hardest things to do in pool (especially when you've played around 8 or 9 gruelling matches in between).

 

[BPG24]

I am going to go out on a limb here and say that if you were dissapointed in the play during the finals you are at best a D player

Eric.

Personal attacks over the internet is such a classy move.. You must have had great parents...

Another moronic post by someone who has no idea what they are talking about...

But since I am a D player, maybe we can meet up and you can give me the 6 out for 5k a set...

Don't run your mouth if you can't back it up son....

 

[BPG24]

I was thinking the exact same thing.

Anyone who has ever been in the situation to win a tournament after many, many hours of play knows that playing your last match at the same level you played your first match is one of the hardest things to do in pool (especially when you've played around 8 or 9 gruelling matches in between).

you can come give me the 6 out as well, since you are making the assumption that I am a D player...

 

[predator]

you can come give me the 6 out as well, since you are making the assumption that I am a D player...

They were not trying to say that they were much better players, only that you need to learn a lot about pool. I happen to agree with that.

 

[BPG24]

They were not trying to say that they were much better players, only that you need to learn a lot about pool. I happen to agree with that.

well than you are badly mistaken as well...

Once again someone is speaking about something they no absolutely nothing about......

 

[BPG24]

Anyone who think that the quality of play in that match was great, IMO has no clue what top notch pool is....

The safety battles were average overall at best (for pros).... And they both made way too many mistakes...

I am a huge fan of safeties and have studied the strategies of the game...
I have a pretty nice collection of books and videos on the game, and I am one of those ppl who study it... I also play a decent game myself....

So all of you Haters can say what you want to, But you couldn't be more wrong...

10 years ago you could have said that I didn't understand the stratagies of the game, but after years of play, practice, and studying I would say I understand the game pretty well

 

[JAM]

First off, congrats to D Peach...

he had to beat 3 of the hottest/best players in the world in order to win.... So he is deserving of his crown...

However.....
The match itself was dreadful to watch, both guys played bad overall, neither one looked like they belonged in that tournament, much less in the finals.... Outside of some decent safety battles......

I understand about the pressure of the situation, but thats what they have trained there whole life for.........

This got me to thinking about other world championships.....
Has there been a World championship, or National championship in any sport recently (last 20 years) where both parties involved played this badly?

Maybe I was expecting too much, after watching all of the TV matches leading up to the finals... There was some amazing play in every round...
Busta and Superman both dominated their opponents once the round of 64 began... As well as others.....

For those of you that sat through the whole thing... What are your thoughts?

I agree with you. I do not play pool today, but I used to and I know the game well, all games I should say with the variety of rules and diversity of formats for each. That said, I can't play pool a lick today. I quit shooting many years ago. Just because you do not play pool does not mean you do not understand the game.

With that out of the way, this year's soft break format stinks. Though there were some moments of brilliance with the safety play and back-and-forths, watching the soft breaks to me was like feed the monkey and watch him sh*t. It was so predictable. This year's WPC was a breaking contest, more than a competition of shot-making skills. If you didn't conquer the soft break, you would not advance in this event. The example I ring forth is Francisco Bustamante's defeat of WPC and U.S. Open Champion Alex Pagulayan. Do you think the score would have been the same if the soft break was eliminated?

I do like the winner-break format better than alternate break, however. So that change in this year's WPC was a good one to my eyes.

Every year, there's a little controversy about this, that, or the other. This year's WPC will go down as the Tournament of Soft Breaks for me. I believe next year, we will see a new format come forth. Of course, I'm sure that this new format will be met with dissent.

One thing I learned a long time ago from running pool tournaments as a tournament director, no matter how much you try to institute the rules equitably, you will never please the pool public as a whole. It's impossible.

I am an F player today, but I still know a little about the game. Just because you don't play pool does not mean your opinion is not worthy.

JMHO, FWIW!

JAM

 

[billbOK]

Anyone who think that the quality of play in that match was great, IMO has no clue what top notch pool is....

The safety battles were average overall at best (for pros).... And they both made way too many mistakes...

I am a huge fan of safeties and have studied the strategies of the game...
I have a pretty nice collection of books and videos on the game, and I am one of those ppl who study it... I also play a decent game myself....

So all of you Haters can say what you want to, But you couldn't be more wrong...

Anyone who think that the quality of play in that match was'nt great, IMO has no clue what top notch pool is...

They weren't playing a 50$ game, but a final of the WPC (3000 spectators, TV, big consequences for their future) ! I just can't imagine the pressure on their shoulders. This match was totally exciting to watch for me. Sure that they made mistake that they normally didn't make... they are human beeing before to be pool players and this is reassuring.

 

[predator]

well than you are badly mistaken as well...

Once again someone is speaking about something they no absolutely nothing about......

Look mate, I'm far from superb player, but I get the slight idea of the kind of pressure these guys must be feeling. There is no way on Earth Gomez could play in the finals on the level like he did for example against Feijen or Chao. Same goes for Peach. They have got to feel tension, otherwise they wouldn't be human.

You think the previous finals were any better?
Just check year 2005. It's comparable to this year because of winner break format. Final between Wu and Kuo. Yes, Wu ran out the last five racks, but what was his position play like? And he also miscued badly on simple draw shot twice at the beginning of the match! The match was full of mistakes! I guess you could say that those guys played below par too.

 

[BPG24]

Anyone who think that the quality of play in that match was'nt great, IMO has no clue what top notch pool is...

They weren't playing a 50$ game, but a final of the WPC (3000 spectators, TV, big consequences for their future) ! I just can't imagine the pressure on their shoulders. This match was totally exciting to watch for me. Sure that they made mistake that they normally didn't make... they are human beeing before to be pool players and this is reassuring.

I have already touched on the Pressure involved in the match..... But these guys have been training their whole lives for this.... they are not new to pressure, and both players have been on big stages before

 

[BPG24]

Look mate, I'm far from superb player, but I get the slight idea of the kind of pressure these guys must be feeling. There is no way on Earth Gomez could play in the finals on the level like he did for example against Feijen or Chao. Same goes for Peach. They have got to feel tension, otherwise they wouldn't be human.

You think the previous finals were any better?
Just check year 2005. It's comparable to this year because of winner break format. Final between Wu and Kuo. Yes, Wu ran out the last five racks, but what was his position play like? And he also miscued badly on simple draw shot twice at the beginning of the match! The match was full of mistakes! I guess you could say that those guys played below par too.

i understand what you are saying completely.... but commenting on my knowledge level, not knowing me is kinda dumb on your part don't you think?

 

[BlackDragon]

I was excited to watch the final. It was the first I saw so I had nothing to compare it to. I thought Gomez had natural feel, did get some gifts from Peach who hung balls right in the jaw but his heart played with his head.
He wanted it too much. Was too confident before, during tv interview.
Peach is a class player who seemed to bring snooker style safety battles to the game of nineball in a more advanced form. He had greater control than Gomez and it could have been anyones game.
Gomez's drill on a midrange straight ball which went awry and his fine cut up the rail sealed him as loser.
Peach never gave up and never got emotional. Keep his head with his feet grounded.
He did destroy Alcano then Bustamante like Duane Allman, hit the back of a truck carrying peaches and then turned Superman into Superboy as well as signalling a shift in the nineball axis America's way and with two Blackpool boys in the top four, lifes a peach for the brits.
What gears for the Mosconi Cup as Americans awake from their slumber of having been the worlds best remains to be seen but no one will be surprised now to see an european victory. Too many rabbits got dazzled in the headlights for them, and btw Superboys defense didn't serve him as well as his offense.
Yeah, anyway great afternoon of pool there.

 

[Snoogi]

I was excited to watch the final. It was the first I saw so I had nothing to compare it to. I thought Gomez had natural feel, did get some gifts from Peach who hung balls right in the jaw but his heart played with his head.
He wanted it too much. Was too confident before, during tv interview.
Peach is a class player who seemed to bring snooker style safety battles to the game of nineball in a more advanced form. He had greater control than Gomez and it could have been anyones game.
Gomez's drill on a midrange straight ball which went awry and his fine cut up the rail sealed him as loser.
Peach never gave up and never got emotional. Keep his head with his feet grounded.
He did destroy Alcano then Bustamante like Duane Allman, hit the back of a truck carrying peaches and then turned Superman into Superboy as well as signalling a shift in the nineball axis America's way and with two Blackpool boys in the top four, lifes a peach for the brits.
What gears for the Mosconi Cup as Americans awake from their slumber of having been the worlds best remains to be seen but no one will be surprised now to see an european victory. Too many rabbits got dazzled in the headlights for them, and btw Superboys defense didn't serve him as well as his offense.
Yeah, anyway great afternoon of pool there.

I think there's no doubt the players were under tremendous pressure considering the fact that their nations' hopes lie on them..Well, they should be given credits.

Btw, Superboy also very solid..

 

[I rack balls]

Personal attacks over the internet is such a classy move.. You must have had great parents...

Another moronic post by someone who has no idea what they are talking about...

But since I am a D player, maybe we can meet up and you can give me the 6 out for 5k a set...

Don't run your mouth if you can't back it up son....

LOL and watch you crack worse than Superman at 15 all? It is no wonder there are more than a few people agreeing with what I said. As a C player myself I guess I can give you the call 9. Follow up my classless act with 2 yourself, I guess that makes me just a bit classier than you. Who said I couldn't back it up? You got the 6 out all day playing 6 ball but honestly u might not have to like the 6 out.

IMO top notch players should find a way to get out!!!!!!!!!!!

The kicking and safeties in that match were not impressive at all, compared to other shots in similar situations by the same players and other pros.....

"Another moronic post by someone who has no idea what they are talking about..."

That should be the title of this thread.

Eric.

 

[BPG24]

LOL and watch you crack worse than Superman at 15 all? It is no wonder there are more than a few people agreeing with what I said. As a C player myself I guess I can give you the call 9. Follow up my classless act with 2 yourself, I guess that makes me just a bit classier than you. Who said I couldn't back it up? You got the 6 out all day playing 6 ball but honestly u might not have to like the 6 out.






"Another moronic post by someone who has no idea what they are talking about..."

That should be the title of this thread.

Eric.

Why are you such a tool?
You can run your mouth all you want son... It doesn't change the facts...

 

[JAM]

..."Another moronic post by someone who has no idea what they are talking about..."

That should be the title of this thread.

Eric.

Eric., this does not sound like you at all. I have always found you to be so very nice. What has you so upset? It's only a game, remember!

JAM

 

[BPG24]

Eric., this does not sound like you at all. I have always found you to be so very nice. What has you so upset? It's only a game, remember!

JAM

he is a classy guy that enjoys talking trash for no reason...

 

[I rack balls]

...and the soft break was taken out of the equation for this final match.

You seem to be diffusing the information just given to you, even after your comment about not even 5 racks being run by either players combined.

IMO, this was not as bad a match as you seem to want to make it out to be. SJM is spot on, sometimes there are more tactical matches than run out matches, and this happened to be one of those times.

Especially after a long grueling tournament, where stamina (both physical and mental) come into play. I for one enjoyed the finals and this type of play. Break and run style matches are fun to watch, but don't always happen, even among top notch players. This is a fact. It does not lessen their efforts or demean their level of skill.

Fantastic! I might have to go out on a limb here and say that you are not a D player Great point about the stamina issue, the interview with Gomez on the main page said that leading up to the final he had slept 3 hours in 2 nights.........................

 

[JAM]

he is a classy guy that enjoys talking trash for no reason...

He really is a nice guy. I'm not sure what has him up in arms about this topic. In fact, Eric. is a hero on some fora/NGs, but that's the topic for another thread!

JAM

 

[I rack balls]

Eric., this does not sound like you at all. I have always found you to be so very nice. What has you so upset? It's only a game, remember!

JAM

Hah I don't know this is so much fun , I stole the whole "another moronic post" quote from him. Maybe because that was probably the most enjoyable match I have ever watched. So many moments that made me say WOW. I was literally jumping around in my living room as the last racks were played. And to have someone bash the players and that match just seemed absurd to me. I am not upset in the slightest just dumbfounded by his logic.............. eh I am over it..............

Eric.