WTB -- Championship Touring Edition 30/30 Cloth

krbsailing

krbsailing

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Hello,

I'm interested in buying enough cloth to redo 3 to 7 bar box tables (4x8's)

I'd prefer the bed and rails to be pre-cut; standard green cloth would be fine.

Thanks in advance,

Ken :)
 
krbsailing said:
Hello,

I'm interested in buying enough cloth to redo 3 to 7 bar box tables (4x8's)

I'd prefer the bed and rails to be pre-cut; standard green cloth would be fine.

Thanks in advance,

Ken :)
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You would be better off buying the Simonis 860HR, as it will hold up very well, and play more consistant than the Championship 3030 will over time. The 860HR is actually more of a bar table cloth than the normal 860 Simonis is, that is why I helped design it with Simonis...to be used more as a bar table cloth;)

Glen
 
860hr

realkingcobra said:
You would be better off buying the Simonis 860HR, as it will hold up very well, and play more consistant than the Championship 3030 will over time. The 860HR is actually more of a bar table cloth than the normal 860 Simonis is, that is why I helped design it with Simonis...to be used more as a bar table cloth;)

Glen
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Hi Glen,

Thanks for the post! I'm not familiar with the Simonis 860HR.....is this the cloth that the Diamond tables have at the Rogue here in B'Ham?

I just switched over to the Championship 3030 last year and everyone loves the way it plays!? We are just trying to get some tables redone here so that all the league players can shoot on the same cloth.

Everyone thinks ours are the S__T at the moment :) We refelt every year pretty much anyways and, the others here in the league maybe everyother year (if push comes to shove).

I'm not unhappy with the way ours play now which is approaching about a year -- but, I'd be very interested in seeing some 860HR.....not sure where I can go locally to check it out!?

Thanks again,

Ken :wink:
 
krbsailing said:
Hi Glen,

Thanks for the post! I'm not familiar with the Simonis 860HR.....is this the cloth that the Diamond tables have at the Rogue here in B'Ham?

I just switched over to the Championship 3030 last year and everyone loves the way it plays!? We are just trying to get some tables redone here so that all the league players can shoot on the same cloth.

Everyone thinks ours are the S__T at the moment :) We refelt every year pretty much anyways and, the others here in the league maybe everyother year (if push comes to shove).

I'm not unhappy with the way ours play now which is approaching about a year -- but, I'd be very interested in seeing some 860HR.....not sure where I can go locally to check it out!?

Thanks again,

Ken :wink:
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I don't remember if we put the 860HR on Steve's tables at the Hero or not, I think we did, but I KNOW I installed it on his 9ft at home:D The BCA has switched over completely to the 860HR tour blue because this new grade of Simonis is the nuts!! This grade of HR is the strongest weave of cloth Simonis has ever put out, and does not speed up over time like the Championship 3030 does. When installed new, it also has very little ball slide like new cloth has, which means it plays very consistant right from the start. It also holds up well against ball burnishing, and miscue's, that's NOT to say that the cloth won't get cue nicks in the cloth if you don't take care of the tips on your cues, it's just harder to nick the cloth because the weave is so strong. And yes, it's the same price as the normal 860;)

Glen
 
If your stapling 3030 use a pneumatic stapler so you can file down the striler on it. 3030 tears like paper and staple pop right through it with ease if you use a good electric stapler.

I love both cloths but 3030 just have to adopt a few tichniques to keep from cutting through especialy when doing the critical stretch in the corners and sides.

Craig
 
Hr

I have Simonis 860 blue on my table in the basement.The question is why do they make both types of 860?It sounds like the HR is better??
 
Hr wasnt around 5 yrs ag. I think theryshould change the name from 860 hr bt only.

300 super fast

760 fast

860 slow

860 hr bt only is fast like 760

Why not call it 800 or 1000

It's thin like 760 has more nots per square inch then 760 or 860. Has a different shear cut on it sort of like a nap but with more wool on top then nylon so it wont get as much white friction burn marks from the balls IE.. the christmas tree effect.

If I remeber right it only comes in 65" width so your limited on what size tables it can go on to.

craig
 
Hang on now Craig:D 860HR has been around for more than 20 years, mostly over in Europe;) It's the same nylon/wool weave as 760 but the same thread count per square inch as normal 860. Rather than play around with the normal 860 to come up with a better looking bar table cloth, we decided to play around with the European 860HR. So, what's different about it is that it's a 70% wool, 30% nylon blend of cloth, still a worsted wool, but one of the major changes to the cloth is the finishing process. Normally the Simonis 860 is passed through a shaving process which shaves any loose ends of the fibers right down to the close net weave. What this does is make the cloth play faster, but it also exposes the nylon in the surface of the cloth which is what marks up with the cue ball through back spin. Now, on the 860HR, the cloth is not shaved as close to the thread weave, which kind of leaves a 100% wool surface so to speak, which is what the balls roll on instead of the 30% nylon, so it's because of this change in the shaving that makes the cloth more resistant to ball marking, and the 30% nylon makes the cloth more durable over all. So it turns out that the 860HR is a better bar table cloth than the normal 860, because of less ball markings on the surface.

Glen
 
realkingcobra said:
Hang on now Craig:D 860HR has been around for more than 20 years, mostly over in Europe;) It's the same nylon/wool weave as 760 but the same thread count per square inch as normal 860. Rather than play around with the normal 860 to come up with a better looking bar table cloth, we decided to play around with the European 860HR. So, what's different about it is that it's a 70% wool, 30% nylon blend of cloth, still a worsted wool, but one of the major changes to the cloth is the finishing process. Normally the Simonis 860 is passed through a shaving process which shaves any loose ends of the fibers right down to the close net weave. What this does is make the cloth play faster, but it also exposes the nylon in the surface of the cloth which is what marks up with the cue ball through back spin. Now, on the 860HR, the cloth is not shaved as close to the thread weave, which kind of leaves a 100% wool surface so to speak, which is what the balls roll on instead of the 30% nylon, so it's because of this change in the shaving that makes the cloth more resistant to ball marking, and the 30% nylon makes the cloth more durable over all. So it turns out that the 860HR is a better bar table cloth than the normal 860, because of less ball markings on the surface.

Glen
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So it plays as good as 860, lasts longer and less balls marks is what I read. What was the composition of the cloth before if its 70-30 now?

Tour Edition has a test vs their cloth in a poolroom against others. Its stated that it has the most long lasting cloth available.
 
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OTLB said:
So it plays as good as 860, lasts longer and less balls marks is what I read. What was the composition of the cloth before if its 70-30 now?

Tour Edition has a test vs their cloth in a poolroom against others. Its stated that it has the most long lasting cloth available.
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The traditional 860 Simonis with a wool/nylon blend of 90/10 is still available today, and is still widely used in pool rooms and home tables. The 860HR is more of a bar table 860, as bar tables take more of a beating than most 9fts, so it's more designed to hold up under that kind of a market use.

Glen
 
realkingcobra said:
The traditional 860 Simonis with a wool/nylon blend of 90/10 is still available today, and is still widely used in pool rooms and home tables. The 860HR is more of a bar table 860, as bar tables take more of a beating than most 9fts, so it's more designed to hold up under that kind of a market use.

Glen
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So has the composition changed in the 860 HR from 5 years ago or before???
 
I'm almost ready to recloth my GCIII. I don't know the best way to ask the question so forgive this effort.

If 760 (which I have on the table now) was rated a 10 on a scale of 1 to 10 for how fast it played, and for the sake of example regular 860 was rated, say at 5, where would the HR fall for relative speed?
 
3andstop said:
I'm almost ready to recloth my GCIII. I don't know the best way to ask the question so forgive this effort.

If 760 (which I have on the table now) was rated a 10 on a scale of 1 to 10 for how fast it played, and for the sake of example regular 860 was rated, say at 5, where would the HR fall for relative speed?
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I don't feel there's a noticeable difference in speed between 860 and 860HR
 
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