The two Predator P2's I have are both thin compared to most cues. My future father inlaw has been playing pool for many years and was once a pro, he absolutly loves my cue because of the thinner but. In a move of good faith for allowing me to marry his daughter I want to find and purchase a cue ver very similar to my P2 that has a thinner butt. We actually ordered one from Seyberts and funny enough it was thicker than the one I ordered from billiardswarehouse. Not sure what the deal is with Predator manufacturing process, I just want to find him one like mine.