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[Bob Jewett]

Thank you bob for your video, time spent and the effort to help out ...

Which of the shots in the video do you feel comfortable trying? For reference, they were:

1 Thin hit on RS (right side) red, center left
2 Full follow on red, left follow
3 Swing shot, RS red, follow, three long rails
4 Thin on RS yellow, center left, 4 cushions
5 Long natural off LS red, 4 cushions
6 3-C off LS yellow, right follow
7 RS yellow, left follow, 3 cushion long natural
8 LS red, end-end-side
9 LS red, right follow, end, side barely, and into the yellow corner, one way or another

 

[pt109]

Which of the shots in the video do you feel comfortable trying? For reference, they were:

1 Thin hit on RS (right side) red, center left
2 Full follow on red, left follow
3 Swing shot, RS red, follow, three long rails
4 Thin on RS yellow, center left, 4 cushions
5 Long natural off LS red, 4 cushions
6 3-C off LS yellow, right follow
7 RS yellow, left follow, 3 cushion long natural
8 LS red, end-end-side
9 LS red, right follow, end, side barely, and into the yellow corner, one way or another[/QUOTE
I like # one, whenever possible, because there is no traffic problems.
Joe Diaz told me I have the right to play that shot...he liked how I could tick 'em with
lots of spin.

 

[maldito]

Which of the shots in the video do you feel comfortable trying? For reference, they were:

1 Thin hit on RS (right side) red, center left
2 Full follow on red, left follow
3 Swing shot, RS red, follow, three long rails
4 Thin on RS yellow, center left, 4 cushions
5 Long natural off LS red, 4 cushions
6 3-C off LS yellow, right follow
7 RS yellow, left follow, 3 cushion long natural
8 LS red, end-end-side
9 LS red, right follow, end, side barely, and into the yellow corner, one way or another

#5 is comfortable for me .

 

[mr3cushion]

Thank you bob for your video, time spent and the effort to help out


and I thank you Bill for you help as well, i do enjoy the passion you STILL maintain for the great game

Your welcome Rich. It's more than a passion, I've devoted my entire life to 3 cushion and to taking my game to the highest level I could in this country! I've also played in MANY International events around the world! The ONLY reason I still don't compete NOW is, I have NO 3C table within over 100 miles! You have to play or practice at least 4-5 hrs daily in order to compete! You see, I NEVER tried playing in a tournament or for money without being 100% prepared!

I do admit have have little tolerance for inaccurate and and uninformative info! You see, I've REALLY played the game to survive and supported a family for 30 years with that ability!

Regardless, good thread Rich!

 

[mr3cushion]

Which of the shots in the video do you feel comfortable trying? For reference, they were:

1 Thin hit on RS (right side) red, center left
2 Full follow on red, left follow
3 Swing shot, RS red, follow, three long rails
4 Thin on RS yellow, center left, 4 cushions
5 Long natural off LS red, 4 cushions
6 3-C off LS yellow, right follow
7 RS yellow, left follow, 3 cushion long natural
8 LS red, end-end-side
9 LS red, right follow, end, side barely, and into the yellow corner, one way or another[/QUOTE
I like # one, whenever possible, because there is no traffic problems.
Joe Diaz told me I have the right to play that shot...he liked how I could tick 'em with
lots of spin.

I knew Joe Diaz my entire life in Chicago, and his level of play was .500-.600 at BEST! But, he was a very likable guy, with a laugh that could bring a house down!

I remember watching him play 3C on table 7 at Bensingers for $10 a game and pay off in a roll of quarters! He was a bartender at Union station and would roll up his tips at the end of the night!

 

[mr3cushion]

I think there are several things players just learning the game can take away from this thread.

The first is something I remember Bud Harris (The US champion) saying: sometimes a quarter inch on ball placement is the difference between a hanger and not having a shot. In the case of this shot, moving the cue ball less than a ball diameter makes the follow shot a likely kiss or not and the thin hit easy or impossible without some masse. I think it is really hard to say from the original photos exactly the lines the balls had, although I did my best to reproduce the position in both the diagram and on the table.

This means that you need to start to recognize when the position might be a little iffy for a shot. In the case of a kiss, you might try varying the shot with spin or speed to see if you can avoid it. In the case of the angle looking like it's impossible to attain, you need to work to get to the limit to either verify or correct your intuition about the shot.

The best time to work on that sort of thing is in practice so you can duplicate the shot within a few millimeters and change it a few millimeters or centimeters if it proves intractable for your current skill level. Get a carom pencil (fabric marker).

Also, you have to be able to see lots of (potential) options in most positions. For the position of this thread, with the balls out in the open table, you should expect to see a bunch. If the balls are on cushions and distant, you may only find one that has any chance. I know one group of players that likes to find five solutions before they decide on a shot. They must have excellent imaginations and/or tremendous patience.

Finally, good diagrams are essential to understanding this game. Bob Byrne set a high bar compared to previous carom authors with his "Standard" book, but some more recent authors have moved on and found ways to add more info to their diagrams, such as exact speed/spin/elevation details and the order that two balls will pass over a potential kiss spot.

I still like the thin hit with lots of spin.

The above quote by Bud Harris is exactly MY point about YOUR diagram and video is 1/4-1/3 of a diamond off to the original photo!

Why post a diagram and video to try and proof YOUR claim, (making thin hit off red) is possible when it's NOT close to the original! It's misleading!

I knew Bud Harris VERY well, when He moved to Chicago in the 60's. He was an American player a little ahead of His time in thinking, (position)! He was a student of Welker Cochran's. I learned a lot about the science of 3C from Bud, He was one of the first players in that era that would definitely try and play position on short angles, which was His best shot! He just had some BAD fundamental issues, (closed his eyes when hitting the CB hard!)

I guess Sayginer and I just don't agree with YOUR choice Bob! Even though in the Sayginer video, it is NOT the same as the OP's photo! Just goes to show, 3C is a game of being able to recognize, improvise or adapt certain positions on the table to a group of a shots! Maybe it's just a choice of a player's ability at executing and knowledge! Practice makes perfect, Bob!