WWYD Eightball hill hill game vs Grandmaster

gregcantrall

gregcantrall

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This came about from this WWYD thread;
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I have stripes, it is hill/hill race to 6 eightball. What would you do?

This is just an approximation and not exactly how the balls were. Just the best of my recollection. You know how fish stories are.:rolleyes:
 
Billiard the 7 in with left English, bank the 9 into the 2 or get it into a better position to play it in the side off the 11, spin to the left so he can't play the 6 off the 11.
 
There's only one run out, 12 ball higher roller and land on the 7 cut your 9 come two rails naturally into the 11 shoot the 14 then 11 and out.
 
Island Drive said:
There's only one run out, 12 ball higher roller and land on the 7 cut your 9 come two rails naturally into the 11 shoot the 14 then 11 and out.
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For the real win, I'd probably/most likely bank the 14 into the five, let him shoot again.
 
gregcantrall said:
This came about from this WWYD thread;
Grandmaster_zpsewyxbdjp.png

I have stripes, it is hill/hill race to 6 eightball. What would you do?

This is just an approximation and not exactly how the balls were. Just the best of my recollection. You know how fish stories are.:rolleyes:
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First of all, I'd insist that the &%$@ table be leveled!..:)

Then I shoot the 12-ball, top right corner, and hold whitey for the 9-ball, same corner.
...then shoot the 10-ball, pull it with low right to carom the 5-ball....
...roll the 11-ball down the long rail with a touch of left english...
...which should leave me straight in on the 8-ball in the top left corner.

Then I would take the man's watch....:happydance:
 
pt109 said:
First of all, I'd insist that the &%$@ table be leveled!..:)

Then I shoot the 12-ball, top right corner, and hold whitey for the 9-ball, same corner.
...then shoot the 10-ball, pull it with low right to carom the 5-ball....
...roll the 11-ball down the long rail with a touch of left english...
...which should leave me straight in on the 8-ball in the top left corner.

Then I would take the man's watch....:happydance:
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Ding, ding, ding. The window on the 10 was way tight. I was able to place the cue ball on the 9 so that if I hit the 7 and stopped dead I would be on the 10. Then it was hitting the 10 low enough that I did not get behind or between his two balls. Gave perfect angle on the 11 to shoot center ball low to come out for the 8 ball in the corner.

gregcantrall said:
That is why I would have chosen that shot. It would be the correct shot for me also. I prefer the short shape to banking or moving balls.

I should start another WWYD thread with the pretense of illustrating my point. However will be me bragging on my winning a eight ball match against a Grand Master.;)

Ok going into brag mode now so..............Fair Notice.

The background: Lincoln City Western BCA Grandmaster/Master division last March. Race to 6 eightball.
I lose my first match, just not able to put anything together. Go straight to my losers bracket match to find I play Ken Dodd an aging Grandmaster. His Fargorate showed at 605 but being eightball and his experience that was meaningless. Mine was at 597.

He goes ahead at 3-1. I catch up at 3-3. He breaks and runs. I break dry and he runs. 5-3 and he is on the hill. He breaks, spreads the balls wide and runs...to his key ball. It had to be hit crisply to give him perfect shape on the eight. Which he did but the key ball wobbled and would not fall. All the way in the pocket but would not fall.

My seven balls on the table were what I needed to get settled. I was not perfect at first but got there and then won the next game as well. Now I am settled and focused and it is Ken's break. No wide open break this time....

I made 3 balls my first inning but had to abort the mission, knowing the big hole I was digging making balls and not getting out. Played a good safe. Ken left me a semi-safe position that I think was possibly using Niels theory of 'if he goes for this'.

I know my chances playing a moving game against a grandmaster. (I had that experience with Rafael Martinez. While I lasted almost a half hour it was hopeless.) So I took the bait.

The bottom line, I made an out that I can not duplicate in practice. After 10 tries I gave up and just laughed. The feeling of doing that in competition is worth all of the failures to get to that point.:thumbup::eek::thumbup: The look on his face when I shook his hand was like the fighter that has been knocked out by a punch he never saw coming.

While I think the out is straight forward it will be interesting to see what other people see if I can put up an approximation of the ball positions. Is there a site where I can arrange the balls on a table for illustration.
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pt109 said:
First of all, I'd insist that the &%$@ table be leveled!..:)

Then I shoot the 12-ball, top right corner, and hold whitey for the 9-ball, same corner.
...then shoot the 10-ball, pull it with low right to carom the 5-ball....
...roll the 11-ball down the long rail with a touch of left english...
...which should leave me straight in on the 8-ball in the top left corner.

Then I would take the man's watch....:happydance:
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That was the pattern I played in my head when I looked at it.
 
gregcantrall said:
Ding, ding, ding. The window on the 10 was way tight. I was able to place the cue ball on the 9 so that if I hit the 7 and stopped dead I would be on the 10. Then it was hitting the 10 low enough that I did not get behind or between his two balls. Gave perfect angle on the 11 to shoot center ball low to come out for the 8 ball in the corner.
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I had a camera on you, Greg....I work for FargoRate now....
...Mike Page says you'll have to give Wu two games on the wire after that out.
:bow-down:
 
PhilosopherKing said:
11...frozen?
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The 11 was far enough off the rail that it could be made in the side. Not an option for me though. It being off the rail really limited the window I had on the 10 ball. Hitting that window was critical. It seemed like a half inch window.
 
cubswin said:
That was the pattern I played in my head when I looked at it.
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In the match it was a long look at each shot and each angle before making the jump to go for it. I looked from the 12 to the 9 and thought, possible but very difficult. Looked from the 9 to 10 and thought, there is a window but very small. 10 to 11, can't roll it. Oh I wish I could roll it. Ok buck up you can hit it crisply. Then what the hell, I would rather go down swinging..... As the old man on Gold Rush, "NO GUTS NO GLORY".
 
gregcantrall said:
In the match it was a long look at each shot and each angle before making the jump to go for it. I looked from the 12 to the 9 and thought, possible but very difficult. Looked from the 9 to 10 and thought, there is a window but very small. 10 to 11, can't roll it. Oh I wish I could roll it. Ok buck up you can hit it crisply. Then what the hell, I would rather go down swinging..... As the old man on Gold Rush, "NO GUTS NO GLORY".
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The way you played it, and PT109 played it is the same way I would have played it. I really don't know what some of the other guys were looking at because some of the balls they mentioned aren't even on the table??

That said, sometimes you have to play pinpoint position to get out. I am one that chooses to do that as a last resort. Meaning, if there is a way to break out balls with a high percentage shot afterwards, I will choose that over having to get pin point position or lose.

You do what you have to do, but try not to take unnecessary risks.
 
12-9-14-11-8

Presuming 11 does not go in side.

Don't wanna play from there every game, but you could have been served worse. All those balls do have places to go...
 
Maybe, depending on what type of cue ball we're playing with, I might consider cutting the eleven ball and drawing around three rails for the nine ball. If I fall short of the nine ball I will option to get back to it having position on both the ten and twelve balls.
 
Neil said:
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You do what you have to do, but try not to take unnecessary risks.
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Necessary, is hard to know before hand. I play for recreation, a well played game is fun whether it be a run out or a hard fought safety/tactical battle.

In eightball I opt for tactics more often than not. When I won the Seniors division 8 ball in the same tournament in 2015, I won 40 games. Two were table runs. That being said in competition I have put 4 racks of 8 ball together on two occasions.
 
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