liekdi2588 said:
They played for 10K last year and Dennis won, before the WPC.
Yang vs. Orcullo
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They played for 10K last year and Dennis won, before the WPC.
BlowFish said:
I need his address. I know who he is.
Okay, Dennis trails by 12 heading into the last day. Does anyone want to give me Dennis and 7 games on the wire to win? That's a damn good bet for someone. You are starting out five games to the good, with only 20 to go.
Updated coverage of the match at: http://www.poolphilippines.com
jay helfert said:
Jay,
Are you sure they had matched up before? I copied this from another site that was promoting their clash...
Yang Meets Orcullo in Showdown
Yang Ching - Shun / Dennis Orcullo
In a showdown billed as a “battle of money-game kings”,
Yang Ching-Shun of Chinese Taipei will meet Dennis Orcullo of the Philippines at the Gateway Mall Activity Center in Cubao, Quezon City on April 12-14.
(Click here: http://www.poolphilippines.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8 - visit our forums to vote who will win!)
Both players are acknowledged as the top money-game players in their respective countries. They are feared everywhere in the world in money matches. And they are of almost the same age. Yang is 29; Orcullo is 28.
Significantly also, the two players have never faced each other in competition – not in tournaments or on the money-game table. They have watched each other warily in money matches and tournament play, as they did during the World Pool Championship in Manila last year, but both have shied away so far from actually challenging the other to a match.
Yang played Busta & Ronnie last yeat before WPC.
He was invited to played Dennis but turned down.
In fact, at the press conference before their showdown, a reporter asked Yang why he didn't take on the challenge. Was he scared?
Yang replied he just wanted to get some rest & keep focused before the tournament. (Yang fears no one!)
He was invited to played Dennis but turned down.
In fact, at the press conference before their showdown, a reporter asked Yang why he didn't take on the challenge. Was he scared?
Yang replied he just wanted to get some rest & keep focused before the tournament. (Yang fears no one!)
Uh Oh! I believe this is all my fault. I jinxed Dennis! Oh well, tommorow Yang will string a 12 pack and win the match by 10 games ! 
explainjay helfert said:
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jay helfert said:
Hi Jay. I understand your disappointment over your bet, but you and other posters are swinging wildly from one end of the vine (confidence in Dennis) to the other (total awe of Yang, ready to proclaim him the best in the world). For heaven's sake, this is just one day of competitive pool, and not even the end of the match yet!
This is not how we assess pool battles and talent here in Manila. Yang is a great player, but he has been taken by several Filipinos over the past few years (notably Ramil Gallego, Jeff de Luna, Gandy Valle, Efren Reyes, Django Bustamante, etc.) just as he has beaten some. He is a formidable player, yes, but he has not won the big ones and had a mediocre record last year.
Dennis Orcullo did not win his spurs in one match or one game. He has built it over the years. His record against everyone who has played him several times in money games is positive. And he plays all games. That's why he is the money-game king here in the Philippines. It's absurd to say that he is mismatched against Yang.
Point 2: For all Yang's prowess at the pool table, he's strictly into 9-ball. He doesn't want to play anything else.
In the Filipino's playbook, 9-ball is the great equalizer among pool games. Lesser players can take better players on a good day because of the unpredictability of its break and its lack of complexity. That's why Filipinos don't generally play 9-ball in Manila; they only do so when guys like Yang are in town.
Did you know that Gandy Valle beat Dennis Orcullo 9-1 at the Philippine national championship last year. Yet in a money game of 9-ball, Dennis spots Gandy 3 balls (7,8,9) and often than not wins.
What's just showing for now in this big to-do is that Yang has a great break and had it going today, and Dennis could not buy a single good break. Yesterday, it was nearly even, but Dennis was impeccable in his potting while Yang missed four makeable shots. Tomorrow, who knows?
We Filipinos would never rest the issue of who's better or the best on a game of 9-ball, let alone on one match. We think that question is better answered in the games of 10-ball and 8-ball, where players must deal with tougher breaks, layouts and choices. In these games, Yang and any other international player for that matter can have a match here anytime for big stakes against Orcullo, Corteza, Pagulayan and Alcano.
Now, if Yang were to beat Dennis in these three formats -- 8-ball, 9-ball and 10-ball -- we Filipinos will probably be the first to proclaim him king. Until then, please no talk of mismatches, even if you're $1000 poorer.
mariopatricio said:
LOL!
Im laughing at you saying Gandy Valle takes Yangs $.
Ive seen him play numerous times here at masters and i dont think the kid stands a chance. If i had money i would back yang in that match up anytime. you got action. I dont even like gandy valle over the mexican chavez. i dont even like gandy valle even against park.
And i havent heard of yang playing nine ball in the philipines. From what ive heard its all ten ball and he beat everybody he played.
http://www.poolphilippines.com/inde...task=view&id=57&Itemid=1&limit=1&limitstart=1
"On Day 2, Yang was clearly master of the table and the more regal money-game king.. If Orcullo was a hairline better than him the previous day, today Yang was dominant."
That musta hit you hard huh?
you clearly a hardcore fan.. once somebody gave props where its due you got your panties in a bunch.
you shouldve made a open bet like jay did.
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In all fairness, all Philippinos players are great players when they play for money. Gandy might not play world class pool in tournaments, but he can play very well in money matches.
I agree, though, he is probably a hair below the great pinoy players such as Alex, Van Van, Dennis, and such--but Gandy is never to be underestimated in a money match.
I am very happy to see Yang doing so well going into the third day.
In my humble opinion, both players are capable of stringing many racks together if the break is working, so if Orcullo can find his break, Orcullo can still come back and win. It is not over yet, in a winner breaks format.
I agree, though, he is probably a hair below the great pinoy players such as Alex, Van Van, Dennis, and such--but Gandy is never to be underestimated in a money match.
I am very happy to see Yang doing so well going into the third day.
In my humble opinion, both players are capable of stringing many racks together if the break is working, so if Orcullo can find his break, Orcullo can still come back and win. It is not over yet, in a winner breaks format.
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With regard to the notion that even if Yang wins, the pinoy still will not take him as the money king, I have to say I find that comment a bit contradicting. I have been under the impression that Bugsy Promotion started this whole thing inviting Yang over to play against their best money player in order to find out who is the real "money king."
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Not entirely true, I was at Rack n Roll pool hall, ready to bet on Dennis. They did set up the match, the reason why it did not push through was because Dennis` backer arrived 15 minutes late because he was informed of the match only 30 mins before and had to come from a city north of Manila. And because it was already 10 pm, getting the money together was not easy.big_worm said:
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X Breaker said:
lol the list you just gave me is like my top 5 favorite players on the planet along with yang.. the only ones missing is corey and ginky.
10 ball i would put them like this..
orcullo.. from what i hear
pagulayan.. from what ive seen
yang.. from what ive seen
alcano.. from what ive seen
corteza.. ive seen his matches from a couple of years ago but i bet he is stronger now.
but based soley on what ive seen.. hands down pagulayan.
This is the original text in Chinese.
http://apple.1-apple.com.tw/index.c...070414&NewsType=twapple&Loc=TP&Art_ID=3394960
"Son of Pool" Yang and "Underground Money King" Orcullo has just ended their second day match up in which Yang displayed his outstanding table clearance ability, winning on an average of 4 to 5 games per inning, to end the day with a hugh lead of 40 to 28.
Most would predict that as long as Yang keeps his usual performace on the last day, he should not have any problem pocketing $10,000 USD.
"I am so tired," Yang said after his match, "although today's match went a bit faster, it still lasted over 5 hours! I am glad they moved the match from 4 pm to 3pm; otherwise, who knows how late this will end..."
Yang was glad that he performed better today than he did yesterday, as he managed to gain control of the match. After the 25th game, Orcullo spent most of his time in his chair watching Yang winning games after games, pulling his lead to 32:25 with brilliant run outs and safeties.
"Everytime he [Orcullo] came to the table, he had to negotiate my safety."
"I felt really good. If there was a chance after the break, I would go for the run out; if I had no chance, I would opt for a lock up safety. I tried not to give him [Orcullo] any chance."
After winning game 39, when he needed only one more game to close out the match, Yang scratched on his break.
Orcullo took advantage of this oppotunity and won two games in a row.
At 39:28, Orcullo broke, but was forced to push out. Yang proceeded to sink the 1 and finished the session with a 3-9 combo.
Yang said, "in Taiwan, no matter how large the amount, we would never play more than a race to 15. I have never come across such a long race before."
"Did you have any other bet with Orcullo on the side?"
"No!" Yang replied without any hesitation. "I like to keep things simple."
(courtesy of 1-apple.com, translated by Richard Chan)
In todays report, it was estimated that side betting amount to about $60,000 USD.
http://apple.1-apple.com.tw/index.c...070414&NewsType=twapple&Loc=TP&Art_ID=3394960
"Son of Pool" Yang and "Underground Money King" Orcullo has just ended their second day match up in which Yang displayed his outstanding table clearance ability, winning on an average of 4 to 5 games per inning, to end the day with a hugh lead of 40 to 28.
Most would predict that as long as Yang keeps his usual performace on the last day, he should not have any problem pocketing $10,000 USD.
"I am so tired," Yang said after his match, "although today's match went a bit faster, it still lasted over 5 hours! I am glad they moved the match from 4 pm to 3pm; otherwise, who knows how late this will end..."
Yang was glad that he performed better today than he did yesterday, as he managed to gain control of the match. After the 25th game, Orcullo spent most of his time in his chair watching Yang winning games after games, pulling his lead to 32:25 with brilliant run outs and safeties.
"Everytime he [Orcullo] came to the table, he had to negotiate my safety."
"I felt really good. If there was a chance after the break, I would go for the run out; if I had no chance, I would opt for a lock up safety. I tried not to give him [Orcullo] any chance."
After winning game 39, when he needed only one more game to close out the match, Yang scratched on his break.
Orcullo took advantage of this oppotunity and won two games in a row.
At 39:28, Orcullo broke, but was forced to push out. Yang proceeded to sink the 1 and finished the session with a 3-9 combo.
Yang said, "in Taiwan, no matter how large the amount, we would never play more than a race to 15. I have never come across such a long race before."
"Did you have any other bet with Orcullo on the side?"
"No!" Yang replied without any hesitation. "I like to keep things simple."
(courtesy of 1-apple.com, translated by Richard Chan)
In todays report, it was estimated that side betting amount to about $60,000 USD.
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