Yang vs. Orcullo

[liekdi2588]

LOL, it was a lot worse in Taiwan WPC when Alex won. I can't recall the taiwanese crowd that were present there ever shooked his hand ! that scenario looked much more like a funeral or plain stereotyping !

Taiwanese like Alex and Reyes, and it is why they always try to invite Alex show in taiwan every year. When he won the 2004 WPC, taiwanese fans and the mediums all thought he deserved this glory.

Yang said he had a hard time in the Philippines, because everytime he scratched, the crowd cheered. But in the final match of 2004 WPC, I don't think taiwanese have ever give Alex the same treatment.

 

[Sprite]

Yang said he had a hard time in the Philippines, because everytime he scratched, the crowd cheered.

Not only Yang. As long as it is a non-filipino players, the crowd will cheer when they scratched.
But never mind, Yang had juz taught them some good lesson.

 

[Hail Mary Shot]

Taiwanese like Alex and Reyes, and it is why they always try to invite Alex show in taiwan every year. When he won the 2004 WPC, taiwanese fans and the mediums all thought he deserved this glory.

Yang said he had a hard time in the Philippines, because everytime he scratched, the crowd cheered. But in the final match of 2004 WPC, I don't think taiwanese have ever give Alex the same treatment.

Try to look for his match against Chao 2004 WPC, then you will see what I mean. Actually there is a big difference in hospitality between Taiwanese crowd and Filipino crowd. It is normal for people to cheer for their local boy, however the manner of doing it differs from the other. there are what we call as understandable kind of support and there is also an outrageous kind.
During that match against Chao, Whenever Alex makes a positional error on the CB, the crowd would cheer wildly like they were expecting him to make that mistake. this loud cheering was very disruptive to Alex. If it were a scratch, atleast that would be understandable because their local boy has his chance on the table. but hey, these were positional errors and Alex still has to make his shot. no doubt it was a total partisanship. I really understand that they want their player to win, but the means of doing it are a bit way out of the line. You would just notice Alex's reaction and uttered something after that. I can't recall the exact words he said but it is somewhat in response towards the crowd's attitude. Actually he savored that particular victory with a bit of a sarcastic hurrah in the end.

Regarding the 2004 WPC final, Alex was smoking so there's no way the crowd wouldn't be silenced.

 

[Hail Mary Shot]

Not only Yang. As long as it is a non-filipino players, the crowd will cheer when they scratched.
But never mind, Yang had juz taught them some good lesson.

Don't be that stereotype Sprite. Alex had far much worse than what you were considering as a bad experience for Yang. another difference that I can tell you is that the Filipino fans appreciate talented non-Filipino players (not just Taiwanese) and merit them for their skills, unlike some blind diehard pro-Taiwan fans who have downplayed and even insulted Filipino players as unknown and nobodys. so Sprite, are you one of these blind followers that just wanted to start a flame war? if that is the case, I might ask for some administrative assistance.

 

[cheemagun]

lol.. I think this is good, the Taiwanese and Filipino rivalary. I think both countrys are hardcore and knowledgble fans. The filipino crowd at the yang match looked like they died but they were all over yang for autographs and hand shakes. I think its just like any other sport when it comes to the crowd. At least they cant shake those styrofoams like at a basketball game during a free throw.

 

[jsp]

lol.. I think this is good, the Taiwanese and Filipino rivalary. I think both countrys are hardcore and knowledgble fans.

I agree. I think this rivalry is great for the sport, as long as fans and players of both countries maintain respect for each other. Fortunately, I think this is the case for the most part. But of course, you'll always have a few bad apples in the crowd.

HMS and Sprite, I'd suggest that you cool it a bit. I'm not sure I like the direction you guys are taking with this thread.

 

[BazookaJoe]

I'd like to see more of these
Perhaps put Corey Deuel in the box against Yang, now
Hell, I'd bet on Corey

 

[Bayawak]

Not only Yang. As long as it is a non-filipino players, the crowd will cheer when they scratched.
But never mind, Yang had juz taught them some good lesson.

You have no idea of what Alex went through when he won tha WPC Championship in Taiwan. He told me personally that there was this person, some kind of monk, sitting behind him, who he thought, was assigned to distract and upset him. This monk would utter some kind of chant while he was shooting, would howl like a banshee when he committed any error. He said that was the first time that he really felt alone in his game because the entire place was against him in all manner, shapes and forms.

He said he got mad and really motivated and vowed to show them what he's got. So when he got his chance he really savored the moment; when he took over the score, and started pulling away, he turned around to the monk sitting behind him and gave him a wink, and said in English, "How do you like me now, mtf?" and proceeded to win the match. He said that the monk buried his face in his hands after he sank the nine ball. After that he said, he wanted to throw it back in their faces, and that's when started running around the arena and high fiving just about everybody.

"That was the highest kind of high anyone can ever have!!" commented Alex.

My suggestion, keep your opinions to yourselves if you don't have all the facts, so you won't look like a fool!!

 

[thrasher789]

I'd like to see more of these
Perhaps put Corey Deuel in the box against Yang, now
Hell, I'd bet on Corey

I would too, but I'd be sweating like a pig during the match becuase I certainly don't think either player is entirely dominant.

 

[cheemagun]

I'd like to see more of these
Perhaps put Corey Deuel in the box against Yang, now
Hell, I'd bet on Corey

o you got ACTION.

come back if it happens.

 

[BazookaJoe]

I would too, but I'd be sweating like a pig during the match becuase I certainly don't think either player is entirely dominant.

With all the talk about Asian players' ability.
I don't think any of them are a lock when it comes to Americans

Archer
Deuel
Morris
I'd add more, but I don't want to type anymore.

C'mon! I read that during DCC Orcullo was offering any American the 7
Pleeeeaaaasssseeee!
Would he REALLY give one of those guys the 7?

 

[cuycuy]

Thanks for this video Sprite. That's my buddy Bob Guerrero in the booth doing commentary on the final day. He is the one with the more anglo sounding voice, though he is 100% filipino.

Interesting, when it's all over after three long days, Dennis wants to put a couple of balls on the table and work on something. This is a dedicated guy.

He arrives hours early before a match. Practices ceaselessly on a free table when it becomes available working on breaking and running out or some aspect of his game. He's a workhorse and a true professional through and through.

 

[BazookaJoe]

o you got ACTION.

come back if it happens.

Definitely
In 9 ball, Deuel doesn't have to duck anyone.

 

[cheemagun]

You have no idea of what Alex went through when he won tha WPC Championship in Taiwan. He told me personally that there was this person, some kind of monk, sitting behind him, who he thought, was assigned to distract and upset him. This monk would utter some kind of chant while he was shooting, would howl like a banshee when he committed any error.

lol that was funny !

 

[thrasher789]

With all the talk about Asian players' ability.


C'mon! I read that during DCC Orcullo was offering any American the 7
Pleeeeaaaasssseeee!
Would he REALLY give one of those guys the 7?

haha whatttt, I can't believe he'd offer the 7 to ANY american, he may be the best money game player in the world right now but you're right, he's not gonna get far offering the 7 to deuel or archer.

 

[cheemagun]

With all the talk about Asian players' ability.
I don't think any of them are a lock when it comes to Americans

Archer
Deuel
Morris
I'd add more, but I don't want to type anymore.

C'mon! I read that during DCC Orcullo was offering any American the 7
Pleeeeaaaasssseeee!
Would he REALLY give one of those guys the 7?

I think those guys were excluded.

 

[jay helfert]

I want to make a comment about the part of this thread relating to the audience at this match. As you may know, I was in the Philipines for last year's WPC, so I saw the Philipine crowds up close every day.

I can't say where I have ever seen a more respectful or knowledgeable audience. They understood the game and the players. No one had to tell them who Johnny Archer was or Corey Deuel. They were true fans of the game, and treated it as a major sports event in every way. I saw absolutely zero sharking of any foreign player by members of the audience.

They definitely supported their players, but also gave credit to foreign players who played well. All the top players were accorded respect in and out of the arena, and asked for autographs and photos. Even a lowly American nobody (me) who was put in the commentary booth, was treated well wherever he went.

I will never forget what happened after Ronnie Alcano won the championship match over Ralf Souquet. The crowd went wild, cheering vociferously for Ronnie, chanting his name. Ralf stood forlornly by, a beaten man. After the announcer interviewed Alcano for the crowd and television, he began to interview Ralf for his commenst on the match. Ralf was so grief stricken about losing that he was choking back tears. The crowd picked up on this, and began to chant his name. "SOUQUET, SOUQUET, SOUQUET" was the chant that went thru the arena, and it buoyed his spirits, and allowed him to continue with the interview.

I have never seen anything like this in all my years in Pool, and it made me feel good to be there, and to appreciate these fervent pool fans.

 

[John Barton]

With all the talk about Asian players' ability.
I don't think any of them are a lock when it comes to Americans

Archer
Deuel
Morris
I'd add more, but I don't want to type anymore.

C'mon! I read that during DCC Orcullo was offering any American the 7
Pleeeeaaaasssseeee!
Would he REALLY give one of those guys the 7?

IIRC it might have been Jay who made some comment about Orcullo being able to give the 7 to any American. Maybe not him but if so then he's probably reconsidering it now.

All the top guys have the skills to pay the bills.

I don't know why a race to 60 was a big deal. It's still a dash for the cash. And for a measly 10gs come on.

Get those guys to the DCC and let them grind out some ahead sets and then you can see who the "money king" is.

I do have to say that the margin of victory was pretty convincing. It looked like it was gonna be close after day one but Yang hit the gear on day two and it was all but over. Would have been cool to see Orcullo bounce back.

Nothing beats the Reyes/Strickland match though. Race to 120 for $100,000. Now that's a money match. At the DCC people flip quarters for 10 dimes. (well not really, but it's about an average sum to match up for there these days).

And drama - how about Effie being down 17 games in the final stretch with Strickland needing like 7 games or so to win. Efren won I think around 21 games to Strickland's 3 on the last day. That was a match!

Let's see some REAL MONEY on the light next time. And don't tell me how far $10,000 goes in the Phillipines or Taiwan. It goes about 10% as far as ten times that amount does. And Reyes/Strickland played for 100gs in 90s money.

Jay, sorry you got robbed. I know you're not sweating the sweat bets and if Orcullo had hit a gear then it could easily have gone the other way. I am surprised that more folks didn't take you up on it.

Anyway, the amount of people in the thread just goes to show that pool should be head to head matches instead of tournaments. Almost all the great old tales about pool that made the front page are about heads-up matches for the title.

 

[Hail Mary Shot]

I agree. I think this rivalry is great for the sport, as long as fans and players of both countries maintain respect for each other. Fortunately, I think this is the case for the most part. But of course, you'll always have a few bad apples in the crowd.

HMS and Sprite, I'd suggest that you cool it a bit. I'm not sure I like the direction you guys are taking with this thread.

my apologies JSP. first, I would like to say that I have nothing against the taiwanese. I'm just reminding mr. sprite, whoever he is, to be more vigilant with regards to branding or implicate other nationalities of what he says to be of bad characteristics. I highly doubt if this persona ever watched or seem to take notice of every pool event that is happening. seems to me that he is more focused on zeroing on Filipinos and make them look silly. you can check his previous comments and tell me if it doesn't strike any ears here.

 

[Hail Mary Shot]

You have no idea of what Alex went through when he won tha WPC Championship in Taiwan. He told me personally that there was this person, some kind of monk, sitting behind him, who he thought, was assigned to distract and upset him. This monk would utter some kind of chant while he was shooting, would howl like a banshee when he committed any error. He said that was the first time that he really felt alone in his game because the entire place was against him in all manner, shapes and forms.

He said he got mad and really motivated and vowed to show them what he's got. So when he got his chance he really savored the moment; when he took over the score, and started pulling away, he turned around to the monk sitting behind him and gave him a wink, and said in English, "How do you like me now, mtf?" and proceeded to win the match. He said that the monk buried his face in his hands after he sank the nine ball. After that he said, he wanted to throw it back in their faces, and that's when started running around the arena and high fiving just about everybody.

"That was the highest kind of high anyone can ever have!!" commented Alex.

My suggestion, keep your opinions to yourselves if you don't have all the facts, so you won't look like a fool!!

Bayawak, I just remembered that he said that comment to that monk. Yeah, that howling was really irritating. really funny stuff. ! I believe it is useless to argue with sprite. It's either he didn't saw what happened during that event (whether he's in the arena or watching the game on tv) or just don't seem to care about it. if the scenario was the former, then let us give sprite the kid a benefit of a doubt of not knowing and a chance to watch it. but if it was the latter, then just include him as one of the monks.