Yang vs. Orcullo

[cheemagun]

Get those guys to the DCC and let them grind out some ahead sets and then you can see who the "money king" is.

I do have to say that the margin of victory was pretty convincing. It looked like it was gonna be close after day one but Yang hit the gear on day two and it was all but over. Would have been cool to see Orcullo bounce back.




Anyway, the amount of people in the thread just goes to show that pool should be head to head matches instead of tournaments. Almost all the great old tales about pool that made the front page are about heads-up matches for the title.

I think yang got to 25 ahead.

but this is more exciting then tournament format..

i would like to see them make rankings like golf and tennis..

then seed players in single elim tournaments but each match would be like a race to 21 winner breaks. win by two games.

 

[Johnnyt]

Thanks Jay. Your check arrived this morning. Johnnyt

 

[Nostroke]

I think yang got to 25 ahead.

but this is more exciting then tournament format..

i would like to see them make rankings like golf and tennis..

then seed players in single elim tournaments but each match would be like a race to 21 winner breaks. win by two games.

The UPA actually at one point was going to have all their tournaments race to 15 single elimination. Even to sanction an event, it had to be SE-race to 15.

Bustamante won the first event and suddenly they were convinced that Bustamante would win every event and they began to talk about having to bring the luck factor back otherwise the events would be too boring. There was never a UPA SE race to 15 after that one event in a mall (flop) in Hampton VA-Strange as it may seem.

 

[Hail Mary Shot]

The UPA actually at one point was going to have all their tournaments race to 15 single elimination. Even to sanction an event, it had to be SE-race to 15.

Bustamante won the first event and suddenly they were convinced that Bustamante would win every event and they began to talk about having to bring the luck factor back otherwise the events would be too boring. There was never a UPA SE race to 15 after that one event in a mall (flop) in Hampton VA-Strange as it may seem.

I think this was a long time ago. was it near the camel pro years? Busty then had much more power and control on his breaks during those years. his game had slipped down some notches on the last 2 and a half years.

 

[buddha162]

With all the talk about Asian players' ability.
I don't think any of them are a lock when it comes to Americans

Archer
Deuel
Morris
I'd add more, but I don't want to type anymore.

No, please, please add more.

-Roger (LMAO)

 

[JoeyA]

I want to make a comment about the part of this thread relating to the audience at this match. As you may know, I was in the Philipines for last year's WPC, so I saw the Philipine crowds up close every day.

I can't say where I have ever seen a more respectful or knowledgeable audience. They understood the game and the players. No one had to tell them who Johnny Archer was or Corey Deuel. They were true fans of the game, and treated it as a major sports event in every way. I saw absolutely zero sharking of any foreign player by members of the audience.

They definitely supported their players, but also gave credit to foreign players who played well. All the top players were accorded respect in and out of the arena, and asked for autographs and photos. Even a lowly American nobody (me) who was put in the commentary booth, was treated well wherever he went.

I will never forget what happened after Ronnie Alcano won the championship match over Ralf Souquet. The crowd went wild, cheering vociferously for Ronnie, chanting his name. Ralf stood forlornly by, a beaten man. After the announcer interviewed Alcano for the crowd and television, he began to interview Ralf for his commenst on the match. Ralf was so grief stricken about losing that he was choking back tears. The crowd picked up on this, and began to chant his name. "SOUQUET, SOUQUET, SOUQUET" was the chant that went thru the arena, and it buoyed his spirits, and allowed him to continue with the interview.

I have never seen anything like this in all my years in Pool, and it made me feel good to be there, and to appreciate these fervent pool fans.

Much rep to you Jay. Fair & just statements.
JoeyA

 

[JoeyA]

Table Type, Pocket Size And Style

IIRC it might have been Jay who made some comment about Orcullo being able to give the 7 to any American. Maybe not him but if so then he's probably reconsidering it now.

All the top guys have the skills to pay the bills.

I don't know why a race to 60 was a big deal. It's still a dash for the cash. And for a measly 10gs come on.

Get those guys to the DCC and let them grind out some ahead sets and then you can see who the "money king" is.

I do have to say that the margin of victory was pretty convincing. It looked like it was gonna be close after day one but Yang hit the gear on day two and it was all but over. Would have been cool to see Orcullo bounce back.

Nothing beats the Reyes/Strickland match though. Race to 120 for $100,000. Now that's a money match. At the DCC people flip quarters for 10 dimes. (well not really, but it's about an average sum to match up for there these days).

And drama - how about Effie being down 17 games in the final stretch with Strickland needing like 7 games or so to win. Efren won I think around 21 games to Strickland's 3 on the last day. That was a match!

Let's see some REAL MONEY on the light next time. And don't tell me how far $10,000 goes in the Phillipines or Taiwan. It goes about 10% as far as ten times that amount does. And Reyes/Strickland played for 100gs in 90s money.

Jay, sorry you got robbed. I know you're not sweating the sweat bets and if Orcullo had hit a gear then it could easily have gone the other way. I am surprised that more folks didn't take you up on it.

Anyway, the amount of people in the thread just goes to show that pool should be head to head matches instead of tournaments. Almost all the great old tales about pool that made the front page are about heads-up matches for the title.

I was curious about the table type, (which may have been mentioned already) and especially the pocket size and type. Some tables it is awfully hard to run multiple racks of balls on and it seemed that running mulitiple racks on these tables wasn't a problem.
JoeyA

 

[Nostroke]

I was curious about the table type, (which may have been mentioned already) and especially the pocket size and type. Some tables it is awfully hard to run multiple racks of balls on and it seemed that running mulitiple racks on these tables wasn't a problem.
JoeyA

They looked tight to me on that Youtube clip-It's linked here a few pages back-take a look.

 

[cheemagun]

I was curious about the table type, (which may have been mentioned already) and especially the pocket size and type. Some tables it is awfully hard to run multiple racks of balls on and it seemed that running mulitiple racks on these tables wasn't a problem.
JoeyA

well from the couple of clips they show on you tube it didnt look like the tables were breaking that good.. spreads didnt look easy.. but that was only a couple of racks.. so i dont know about the rest of the match..

so is anybody going to post this match up for us to watch or what ?

 

[crosseyedjoe]

IIRC it might have been Jay who made some comment about Orcullo being able to give the 7 to any American. Maybe not him but if so then he's probably reconsidering it now.

All the top guys have the skills to pay the bills.

I don't know why a race to 60 was a big deal. It's still a dash for the cash. And for a measly 10gs come on.

Get those guys to the DCC and let them grind out some ahead sets and then you can see who the "money king" is.

That just what Dennis did in DCC. It's even rumored he came back home with more money than Effie.

Let's see some REAL MONEY on the light next time. And don't tell me how far $10,000 goes in the Phillipines or Taiwan. It goes about 10% as far as ten times that amount does. And Reyes/Strickland played for 100gs in 90s money.

That $10,000 was more of a side-bet. The "real" money is negotiated under the table. "Old world" gambling is still prevalent in Asia. Plus they are probably paid appearance fees. It's not really as shabby as many people think the prize was for the two.

 

[jay helfert]

IIRC it might have been Jay who made some comment about Orcullo being able to give the 7 to any American. Maybe not him but if so then he's probably reconsidering it now.

All the top guys have the skills to pay the bills.

I don't know why a race to 60 was a big deal. It's still a dash for the cash. And for a measly 10gs come on.

Get those guys to the DCC and let them grind out some ahead sets and then you can see who the "money king" is.

I do have to say that the margin of victory was pretty convincing. It looked like it was gonna be close after day one but Yang hit the gear on day two and it was all but over. Would have been cool to see Orcullo bounce back.

Nothing beats the Reyes/Strickland match though. Race to 120 for $100,000. Now that's a money match. At the DCC people flip quarters for 10 dimes. (well not really, but it's about an average sum to match up for there these days).

And drama - how about Effie being down 17 games in the final stretch with Strickland needing like 7 games or so to win. Efren won I think around 21 games to Strickland's 3 on the last day. That was a match!

Let's see some REAL MONEY on the light next time. And don't tell me how far $10,000 goes in the Phillipines or Taiwan. It goes about 10% as far as ten times that amount does. And Reyes/Strickland played for 100gs in 90s money.

Jay, sorry you got robbed. I know you're not sweating the sweat bets and if Orcullo had hit a gear then it could easily have gone the other way. I am surprised that more folks didn't take you up on it.

Anyway, the amount of people in the thread just goes to show that pool should be head to head matches instead of tournaments. Almost all the great old tales about pool that made the front page are about heads-up matches for the title.

I never said Dennis could give the top Americans the 7 ball, although I would still consider him a favorite playing even against anyone here. He did play long ahead sets at DCC and gave up weight, and won! At this level giving up a ball, especially in Ten Ball is very little weight. A bigger spot is games on the wire.

I look for some big match-ups in the future playing ahead sets, between players like Rodney and any one of several filipinos.

 

[jay helfert]

I think yang got to 25 ahead.

but this is more exciting then tournament format..

i would like to see them make rankings like golf and tennis..

then seed players in single elim tournaments but each match would be like a race to 21 winner breaks. win by two games.

Yang was ahead 58-34, a 24 game lead. HUGE!

 

[Hail Mary Shot]

Yang was ahead 58-34, a 24 game lead. HUGE!

the way how Dennis boggled the money balls, he needs to improve his pocketing consistency. I noticed how he often misses on the easy shots rather than the difficult ones. just unbelievable !

 

[crosseyedjoe]

the way how Dennis boggled the money balls, he needs to improve his pocketing consistency. I noticed how he often misses on the easy shots rather than the difficult ones. just unbelievable !

I think he has a problem of phasing himself in longer format like tournaments.

 

[Johnnyt]

If they match up again in a neutral country...I would take Dennis this time. At their level it can go either way IMHO. Johnnyt

 

[John Barton]

That just what Dennis did in DCC. It's even rumored he came back home with more money than Effie.



That $10,000 was more of a side-bet. The "real" money is negotiated under the table. "Old world" gambling is still prevalent in Asia. Plus they are probably paid appearance fees. It's not really as shabby as many people think the prize was for the two.

And that's why Dennis still has my vote as the "money king" of Asia. He went to Derby and handed out spots like candy and outran them. (most I think)

I don't know. I was kind of underwhelmed by this match-up. I guess after the WPC for 100 dimes and the IPT money - just the amounts that were paid out and the fact that the players were playing under the assumption and pressure that they were getting paid in the last one - kind of makes a race to 60 for 10dimes publicly seem kind of lackluster.

However, like I said, it does show to some degree the potential for "rivalry" style matchups. Kinda like the old days when you had to accept all challenges for the title or forfeit it.

I think Mosconi successfully defended his World Champion title six times in one year.

The players used to negotiate a part of the gate receipts. I don't see why they shouldn't negotiate now for a bigger slice of the pie. I didn't see the broadcast but I bet somebody somewhere paid for advertising on it and I bet it was well more than $10,000.

 

[Nostroke]

I don't know. I was kind of underwhelmed by this match-up. I guess after the WPC for 100 dimes and the IPT money - just the amounts that were paid out and the fact that the players were playing under the assumption and pressure that they were getting paid in the last one - kind of makes a race to 60 for 10dimes publicly seem kind of lackluster.

I did not find it lackluster. I dont care if it was for 25 Cents. It was a race to 60 shown on TV the same day to see who would win! Both players wanted to win badly! Either probably would have given up a pinky to do it. Money isn't everything John!!

 

[Hail Mary Shot]

I think he has a problem of phasing himself in longer format like tournaments.

No doubt about it. his game seems to notch down when it comes to official or televised tourneys. If you had seem some of his money matches (which aren't televised), he never boggles the balls, breaks great, control the CB well and string some 5-7 pack. If ever there'll be rematch, I would certainly want to see how both of them will perform in an underground type of play.

 

[predator]

Guys, stop making excuses for Orcullo. Over those 3 days, Yang was simply better, that's it. A race to 60 is long enough...

 

[Hail Mary Shot]

And that's why Dennis still has my vote as the "money king" of Asia. He went to Derby and handed out spots like candy and outran them. (most I think)

I don't know. I was kind of underwhelmed by this match-up. I guess after the WPC for 100 dimes and the IPT money - just the amounts that were paid out and the fact that the players were playing under the assumption and pressure that they were getting paid in the last one - kind of makes a race to 60 for 10dimes publicly seem kind of lackluster.

However, like I said, it does show to some degree the potential for "rivalry" style matchups. Kinda like the old days when you had to accept all challenges for the title or forfeit it.

I think Mosconi successfully defended his World Champion title six times in one year.

The players used to negotiate a part of the gate receipts. I don't see why they shouldn't negotiate now for a bigger slice of the pie. I didn't see the broadcast but I bet somebody somewhere paid for advertising on it and I bet it was well more than $10,000.

the sponsors on Orcullo and Yang's shirt in the event alone already gave them some extra deuce I believe. guess both aren't Guiness exclusively.