you can't smoke in a poolroom???
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No, as disgusting as that sometimes is, it isn't affecting my health.
I'm in my 50's, and frankly I worry that spending a couple of nites per week in a smokey pool room or bar is taking a quite a few years off the back end of my life. Certainly at the very least, the quality of life is likely to be a lot different because I'm choosing to keep going to the halls.
Sad but true.
I'm in my 50's, and frankly I worry that spending a couple of nites per week in a smokey pool room or bar is taking a quite a few years off the back end of my life. Certainly at the very least, the quality of life is likely to be a lot different because I'm choosing to keep going to the halls.
Sad but true.
Sore_Aintya said:IMO, with all these smoking bans popping up everywhere Nation wide, I think a similar ordnance should be in place for people that dip/chew/snuff whatever you want to call it.
Nothing like looking at a bottle, cup, ashtray,water fountain full of dark, stinky spit and chewing tobacco.
Again this is just my opinion, there shouldn't be a smoking restriction, it should be a tobacco restriction. Maybe us smokers wouldn't feel so jaded and singled out by these "laws".
Oh right, that wouldn't give other people something to complain about...
I didn't know there are other states besides Nevada who still allow public indoor smoking.
nyjoe14.1 said:So issue 5 got passed today in OH, this says theres no smoking in public. my question is this what if any impact do you think this will have on pool in OH. I went back to NY where a similar law was passed and I was god awful, having to go outside in the middle of a set to smoke, just ridiculous. This can’t be a good thing
that’s what I think, what do you think???
tell ya what i think.
don't forget to bring me a carton of smokes
when you come over thursday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
don't forget to bring me a carton of smokes
when you come over thursday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It should be an air quality issue but it's not, it's mainly a cultural issue against the odor.
If it was only an health/air quality issue, business's could be required to maintain a predetermined level of air quality, and they could chose whether to make their room smoking or non smoking based on their choice to provide an adequate ventilation system or not. These laws are generally being enacted without this option because anyone that would still be able to actually smell a cigarette would never be satisfied.
People can huddle with their children around a smoky campfire or grill and breath in the same carcinogens with a smile, but if someone around the corner has a lit cigarette, and they can smell it, call the police!
No, the bulk of the support for smoking bans is because of the odor. Whether that's right or wrong, or how smoking bans affects private businesses is of no concern to smoking ban supporters because they're not the ones who own these businesses.
Again, if it were only a health/air quality issue, then businesses would have been allowed a choice. No, for better or for worse, at the core, this is a cultural issue against smokers in general.
By the way, I don't smoke or own a business that would be affected by a smoking ban. I personally think that businesses are fully capable of adjusting to their clientele and people in law enforcement have better things to do with their time than to deal with crap like this.
If it was only an health/air quality issue, business's could be required to maintain a predetermined level of air quality, and they could chose whether to make their room smoking or non smoking based on their choice to provide an adequate ventilation system or not. These laws are generally being enacted without this option because anyone that would still be able to actually smell a cigarette would never be satisfied.
People can huddle with their children around a smoky campfire or grill and breath in the same carcinogens with a smile, but if someone around the corner has a lit cigarette, and they can smell it, call the police!
No, the bulk of the support for smoking bans is because of the odor. Whether that's right or wrong, or how smoking bans affects private businesses is of no concern to smoking ban supporters because they're not the ones who own these businesses.
Again, if it were only a health/air quality issue, then businesses would have been allowed a choice. No, for better or for worse, at the core, this is a cultural issue against smokers in general.
By the way, I don't smoke or own a business that would be affected by a smoking ban. I personally think that businesses are fully capable of adjusting to their clientele and people in law enforcement have better things to do with their time than to deal with crap like this.
Da Poet said:
That was tried and was an absolute failure. People didn't maintain the air filtration equipment and more than often than not didn't even turn it on to save electricity. My feeling is that if businesses had faithfully provided adequate ventilation, the smoking ban initiative would have gone nowhere.
I for one, applaud smoking bans and drive to another state to be out of the smoke.
I grew up around smoking my whole life (both parents 1-2 pakcs/day) but never took it up. Didn't understand the concept (still don't), but also being in sports I needed my lungs. Playing varsity basketball I was 6'2" 220 and a guard 5'10" 150 who smoked had trouble keeping up during sprints and extended running due to his habit.
Washington is now smoke-free. Oregon is not. Whenever I had APA tourneys in Oregon it would be terrible because everyone playing in the tourney who lives in WA would smoke twice as much for the regained freedom of smoking while playing. After a while I would have a massive headache, runny bloodshot eyes, etc. Just don't get it.
APA Nationals this year was just as bad for the same reason. At least at the WesternBCA regional tourneys you have to go in the hallway to smoke. So it is a great playing atmosphere.
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Washington is now smoke-free. Oregon is not. Whenever I had APA tourneys in Oregon it would be terrible because everyone playing in the tourney who lives in WA would smoke twice as much for the regained freedom of smoking while playing. After a while I would have a massive headache, runny bloodshot eyes, etc. Just don't get it.
APA Nationals this year was just as bad for the same reason. At least at the WesternBCA regional tourneys you have to go in the hallway to smoke. So it is a great playing atmosphere.
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guess i should defend my self huh, here goes.................
Retarded huh?? Whats retarded is that people like you think you have the right to tell me what I can and can not do. There is much more to this than a simple smoking ban. When the government can tell you, me, and everyone else how to live there lives it is not a good thing. What this is, is an attempted end to vice any thing that is deemed unhealthy is bad there fore must be banned. So whats next I can’t eat a steak in public, or all the nightclubs in the country have to turn there music down because someone went deaf????
It comes down to choice, you knew what went on in a poolroom when you started playing and so did everyone else you made the choice to go inside and play. Fully knowing what you were getting into, why should we have to change because it is now in vogue to persecute smokers???
Pete said:
Retarded huh?? Whats retarded is that people like you think you have the right to tell me what I can and can not do. There is much more to this than a simple smoking ban. When the government can tell you, me, and everyone else how to live there lives it is not a good thing. What this is, is an attempted end to vice any thing that is deemed unhealthy is bad there fore must be banned. So whats next I can’t eat a steak in public, or all the nightclubs in the country have to turn there music down because someone went deaf????
It comes down to choice, you knew what went on in a poolroom when you started playing and so did everyone else you made the choice to go inside and play. Fully knowing what you were getting into, why should we have to change because it is now in vogue to persecute smokers???
A state-wide smoking ban went into affect here in Colorado a few months ago. Pool room attendance is doing just fine. People wander outside for their fix when they need it.
The chewing tobacco thing is a completely different issue. There's no second-hand hazards from the guy next to you spitting in a cup. Unless you count nausea... :/
The chewing tobacco thing is a completely different issue. There's no second-hand hazards from the guy next to you spitting in a cup. Unless you count nausea... :/
Klopek said:
Slave to my addiction?? Your joking right??
If you want to live in a country where the government does your thinking for you fine, move. Communist North Korea, China, or Cuba would love to have you im sure.
No I won’t quit playing pool because of this (I am not a slave to my addiction) I just might loose a few of those extra pounds because I get more exercise walking out side every 15min. LOL I just think that a lot of you are missing the big picture here. And as far as me being selfish how can you possibly blame me and all the other smokers for you CHOICE to walk into a smoke filled room??
Bigtruck said:
Well here in Austin Texas, the smoking ban has passed but it hasn't stopped people from smoking. When it first went into affect, they were giving fines to the business. Now I heard they are going to fine the individual, but I haven't seen or heard of anyone getting one. Since I guess the health Dept. only works 9-5 M-F and most of the pool halls just won't let you smoke during the day. At night it's light'em if you got em. For now it doesn't seem that it will ever be smoke-free. I hope that changes soon.
I had a 3 week run-in with severe bronchitis last christmas, then had it again 2 months after that. I didn't smoke for those weeks at all, after the second go-around I quit all together. It has been the best decision of my life. People can talk about rights and this and that all they want but try quitting for an extended period of time and see if you outlook changes. I feel TONS better I haven't been sick, I can smell, I can taste my food now, and let me tell ya a 14oz new york strip steak tastes TONS BETTER NOW!! I'm not saying to not smoke, I smoked for 16yrs, I know how it is, but sooner or later you have to realize that the tobacco is take your right away to choose not to smoke. Smoking just becomes a bad habit that you can't break, it's like steering the cue ball or jumping up, it 's just a habit and people learn to cope with it. I hope that the smoking ban hits Dallas, that would be a good thing.
I think that the serious pool players will suck it up and still show up, but the bangers and scrubs that are there to bang balls around and get drunk will stop hanging around. <--- good thing?
I think that the serious pool players will suck it up and still show up, but the bangers and scrubs that are there to bang balls around and get drunk will stop hanging around. <--- good thing?
nyjoe14.1 said:So issue 5 got passed today in OH, this says theres no smoking in public. my question is this what if any impact do you think this will have on pool in OH. I went back to NY where a similar law was passed and I was god awful, having to go outside in the middle of a set to smoke, just ridiculous. This can’t be a good thing
that’s what I think, what do you think???
I was living in NY when the ban was passed. I had already quit smoking by then, so I have to admit I was in favor of it. Initially a lot of businesses in the service industry took a hit. I am not sure the bar business will ever return to what it was, but after about a year the pool room was as crowded as ever.
I have since relocated to PA. I play in a huge room with 20' ceilings. For the most part it isn't too bad. I do play with a guy on Saturday afternoons who lights each cigarette with the previous one. I had almost forgotten what it was like to play with burning eyes.
TheOne said:This is a wind up right?
Hey Craig. I'm afraid not. Many smokers really can't understand what might be wrong with forcing others to breathe their second hand smoke. I'm really tired of having this debate with them because, in the end, it always comes down to the fact that they just want to smoke wherever they want and that's that. I've never heard a valid argument against the ban that made me stop and think, "hmm, I see your point". So, as far as debating it with people, I'm done. We had the same proposition on our ballot here in Arizona yesterday. From the looks of it, the majority have spoken. With 100% of the precincts reporting in (minus early/absentee ballots), the propostion is 54.2% yes and 47.8% no. There was also a "fake" smoking ban, sponsored by the tobacco industry, on the ballot. It was very cleverly named and worded so as to mislead voters into thinking it was, too, a ban on smoking. Apparently the majority wasn't fooled because it's losing by a larger margin than the real smoking ban is winning by.
Okay, so I'll make one debatable statement to the author of the original post (damn it. I just can't help myself.
). Just because something has been a certain way "forever" doesn't mean that we all have to keep doing it the same way, right or wrong. There was a time when we didn't really know what the negative effects of tobacco use were and smoking was considered glamorous. Then came the information that we know now about tobacco use causing cancer and, with it, the glamour of smoking went away. Now we have learned about the problems caused by second-hand smoke. With that new information must come some sort of change if we are progressing at all. If everyone believed in continuing to do something just because "that's the way it's always been done", we'd still be walking around barefoot, living in caves. Honestly, with the known health problems that tobacco causes, I really do wonder why so many people smoke at all.
Jimmy M. said:Hey Craig. I'm afraid not. Many smokers really can't understand what might be wrong with forcing others to breathe their second hand smoke. I'm really tired of having this debate with them because, in the end, it always comes down to the fact that they just want to smoke wherever they want and that's that. I've never heard a valid argument against the ban that made me stop and think, "hmm, I see your point". So, as far as debating it with people, I'm done. We had the same proposition on our ballot here in Arizona yesterday. From the looks of it, the majority have spoken. With 100% of the precincts reporting in (minus early/absentee ballots), the propostion is 54.2% yes and 47.8% no. There was also a "fake" smoking ban, sponsored by the tobacco industry, on the ballot. It was very cleverly named and worded so as to mislead voters into thinking it was, too, a ban on smoking. Apparently the majority wasn't fooled because it's losing by a larger margin than the real smoking ban is winning by.
Okay, so I'll make one debatable statement to the author of the original post (damn it. I just can't help myself.
As I sit at my computer chain smoking Pal Mal non filters blowing the smoke into the eyes and lungs of infants and the elderly I find my self wondering if how the smoker became demonized?? It’s a cigaret folks not like were lighting up a crack pipe and passing it along. You seem to vilify a choice that a very large group of people make, your poll numbers said that 47% were against the ban right? I guess they are all simple neanderthals that need guidance from big brother is that it??
I don't have a problem with smoking--just don't exhale.
Seriously, I can't wait till they ban smoking in the poolrooms in Florida. They made a feeble attempt down here a couple of years ago stating that if your profits on food are more than 10% then your business would be non smoking. Hence no smoking in restaraunts. So what do we do, quit making so much food...
If all the poolrooms in my area went non smoking I think we could survive, but if we went non smoking and the others didn't I think we would go out of business. It appears many poolplayers smoke.
I haven't smoked in 26 years, but do so daily from second hand smoke. I cough every morning and expect to be on oxygen in 20 years.
Tracy
Seriously, I can't wait till they ban smoking in the poolrooms in Florida. They made a feeble attempt down here a couple of years ago stating that if your profits on food are more than 10% then your business would be non smoking. Hence no smoking in restaraunts. So what do we do, quit making so much food...
If all the poolrooms in my area went non smoking I think we could survive, but if we went non smoking and the others didn't I think we would go out of business. It appears many poolplayers smoke.
I haven't smoked in 26 years, but do so daily from second hand smoke. I cough every morning and expect to be on oxygen in 20 years.
Tracy
For those who actually think about such matters, here's some food for thought:
http://www.abcnews.go.com/2020/Stossel/story?id=1955237&page=1
http://www.junkscience.com/feb01/perske.htm
http://www.davehitt.com/2004/name_three.html
http://www.gasdetection.com/news2/health_news_digest6.html
As DaPoet said, smoking bans have very little to do with actual health concerns.
-djb
http://www.abcnews.go.com/2020/Stossel/story?id=1955237&page=1
http://www.junkscience.com/feb01/perske.htm
http://www.davehitt.com/2004/name_three.html
http://www.gasdetection.com/news2/health_news_digest6.html
As DaPoet said, smoking bans have very little to do with actual health concerns.
-djb