You snooze you loose
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Low Blow Ray
Ray, I can't believe you would dream that way about me.
I am fairer than fair.
Had I been there in an official capacity, I would have said "You both know what the correct score is and the fact he didn't move his coin right away has no bearing on the outcome.
I've only run across that at the local tournaments ($5 or $10), like the one you won Friday or Saturday night. Wait a minute.....you didn't use that trick to cash, did you Ray? :shakehead:
All the tourneys I do have score sheets
Bigtruck said:
Ray, I can't believe you would dream that way about me.
I am fairer than fair. Had I been there in an official capacity, I would have said "You both know what the correct score is and the fact he didn't move his coin right away has no bearing on the outcome.
I've only run across that at the local tournaments ($5 or $10), like the one you won Friday or Saturday night. Wait a minute.....you didn't use that trick to cash, did you Ray? :shakehead:
All the tourneys I do have score sheets
bigtruck, you sick bastard!
I just wasted half my beer on that one! LOL!
Where do you find these things? This is the best one ever!
And it ought to say " If you OOZE, you lose", because of the blood donation.
Thanks, man. The guys in the pool hall will be laughing over this one tonight!
Bigtruck said:
I just wasted half my beer on that one! LOL!
Where do you find these things? This is the best one ever!
And it ought to say " If you OOZE, you lose", because of the blood donation.
Thanks, man. The guys in the pool hall will be laughing over this one tonight!
You have to be kidding.. .Leil said 'you snooze you lose'?
Are you sure? And if it was indeed Liel Gay, I wouldn't be surprized. He is very old school.
and about your comment "Know before you speak"... I still think AZ players and posters 'standout' when compared to other players from around the country. How you take that is your perception.
Are you sure? And if it was indeed Liel Gay, I wouldn't be surprized. He is very old school.
and about your comment "Know before you speak"... I still think AZ players and posters 'standout' when compared to other players from around the country. How you take that is your perception.
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Bigtruck said:
that is priceless.:grin:
i agree
there is a match(7 ball,i think) on espn between bustamante and luc salvas.salvas is running out, get's on the seven and does not call the pocket,but it's obvious.he sinks it and bustamante cries foul.i know it's the rules but it wasn't like he lucked it in and cheated him.that has never sat well with me.
back2good1 said:
there is a match(7 ball,i think) on espn between bustamante and luc salvas.salvas is running out, get's on the seven and does not call the pocket,but it's obvious.he sinks it and bustamante cries foul.i know it's the rules but it wasn't like he lucked it in and cheated him.that has never sat well with me.
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havoc said:
That is different... but I agree. I used to play in a VNEA league and we had to mark the 8 ball pocket as well. I cannot tell you how many games we gave up because we would forget to put the marker by the pocket we were shooting at. And if you *reminded* (coached) your teamate... it was a foul.
back2good1 said:
This is NOT entirely correct. I was there, and I was consulted as well. Both Dennis and myself quickly agreed that if you win 3 games, you win the set. Also, there is no rule that says there even has to be coins on the table, so saying "you forgot to move your coin so you don't get credit for that game" is absurd.
Tom In Cincy said:
Would you care to explain that comment? Do I know you? Have we ever played? Have you ever matched up with ANY of the players in AZ? In what way do we "stand out"? If you're going to indiscriminately insult every player in the state of Arizona, at least explain yourself.
unless they were a complete sucker, anybody who ever tried this on me i would just pack my stuff up and say see ya later (perhaps after the set). ive personally had it with this type of ridiculous aggrivation. these arent the kind of idiots and dirtbags i would want to be playing.
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One........
There's always one or two loosers in the tournament that have a really good day and try to throw the book at someone.
It's simple. Play fair and play a gentleman's game. There will never be a thread about your antics.
Ray
(not a loser) IMO
enzo said:
There's always one or two loosers in the tournament that have a really good day and try to throw the book at someone.
It's simple. Play fair and play a gentleman's game. There will never be a thread about your antics.
Ray
(not a loser) IMO
THIS IS THE CALL THAT I MADE!
I was approached by Tom Neil, a player from Tucson, who stated that he and Leil Gay had a situation during their match. Basically, the score was 1-1 and Tom won the third game. Tom forgot to move his coin to 2 before the next game started.
After realizing this, he advised Leil that the true score was 2-1. Leil disagreed and stated that Tom forgot to move his coin. That is when Tom notified me of the disagreement. I was watching Jimmy's match, and i explained to him what happened. We both agreed that if it is 2-1, then it is 2-1, regardless of where the coins are on the table.
In fairness to both players, i stopped their match and pulled them aside. They both began arguing with each other and i immediately stopped them, so as not to disturb the other players.
First I asked Tom what happened, then i asked Leil what happened. Both gave the same account that it was 2-1; however, Leil claimed that Tom forgot to move his coin, therefore, it was still 1-1.
I explained to both of them that there is no requirement to keep the score with coins. If both players agreed that the score was 2-1, then the score is 2-1. I explained that this an honest tour and that we DO NOT tolerate dishonesty. I again said "THE SCORE IS 2-1"!!!
Scott Frost was not consulted for an answer to this scenario before i made the decision. After i made the decision, i mentioned it to Scott, as Leil approached, and Scott agreed that I had made the right decision as well. I don't know where someone got the idea that Scott made this decision. IT DIDN"T HAPPEN!!!!
It's amazes me how quick some people are to criticize others when they don't even have the facts right. I will gladly take an apology to all of those who criticized me in this thread, particularly those who said I should not be running tournaments, and those who make comments about "Arizona players". Jimmy and I run a successful tour here in Arizona, and it is an honest tour.
Have a nice day!
Dennis
I was approached by Tom Neil, a player from Tucson, who stated that he and Leil Gay had a situation during their match. Basically, the score was 1-1 and Tom won the third game. Tom forgot to move his coin to 2 before the next game started.
After realizing this, he advised Leil that the true score was 2-1. Leil disagreed and stated that Tom forgot to move his coin. That is when Tom notified me of the disagreement. I was watching Jimmy's match, and i explained to him what happened. We both agreed that if it is 2-1, then it is 2-1, regardless of where the coins are on the table.
In fairness to both players, i stopped their match and pulled them aside. They both began arguing with each other and i immediately stopped them, so as not to disturb the other players.
First I asked Tom what happened, then i asked Leil what happened. Both gave the same account that it was 2-1; however, Leil claimed that Tom forgot to move his coin, therefore, it was still 1-1.
I explained to both of them that there is no requirement to keep the score with coins. If both players agreed that the score was 2-1, then the score is 2-1. I explained that this an honest tour and that we DO NOT tolerate dishonesty. I again said "THE SCORE IS 2-1"!!!
Scott Frost was not consulted for an answer to this scenario before i made the decision. After i made the decision, i mentioned it to Scott, as Leil approached, and Scott agreed that I had made the right decision as well. I don't know where someone got the idea that Scott made this decision. IT DIDN"T HAPPEN!!!!
It's amazes me how quick some people are to criticize others when they don't even have the facts right. I will gladly take an apology to all of those who criticized me in this thread, particularly those who said I should not be running tournaments, and those who make comments about "Arizona players". Jimmy and I run a successful tour here in Arizona, and it is an honest tour.
Have a nice day!
Dennis
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Good post Dennis.
If others had expressed themselves as clearly in this thread it's unlikely that those guys who criticised you would have done so.
The handling of this incident appears to have been logical, fair and last but not least, diplomatic.
There are venues and events in various parts of the world where any player trying to pull such an obnoxious stunt would have been very publicly ridiculed and shamed or immediately given a slap :smile:
If others had expressed themselves as clearly in this thread it's unlikely that those guys who criticised you would have done so.
The handling of this incident appears to have been logical, fair and last but not least, diplomatic.
There are venues and events in various parts of the world where any player trying to pull such an obnoxious stunt would have been very publicly ridiculed and shamed or immediately given a slap :smile:
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You are correct. I don't understand why this thread was even started. I will address that privately, and not here.
As far as the decision, I just wanted to hear both sides before any decision was made. To me, that was the fair thing to do. After listening to both sides, it was a pretty simple decision to make.
There were a few posters who know me personally. I'm not dishonest and i certainly wouldn't tolerate dishonesty on the tour. They could have guessed what my decision would have been as well. The original poster obviously does not know me well enough.
Thanks Mike.
Dennis
As far as the decision, I just wanted to hear both sides before any decision was made. To me, that was the fair thing to do. After listening to both sides, it was a pretty simple decision to make.
There were a few posters who know me personally. I'm not dishonest and i certainly wouldn't tolerate dishonesty on the tour. They could have guessed what my decision would have been as well. The original poster obviously does not know me well enough.
Thanks Mike.
Dennis