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PETROBOY said:
That's only 150 000 people compared to 1 Billion on Youtube, I think the players should be playing for more money but this idea that they will get 500k in advertising is foolish. What major company would ever think of Advertising there when so many more are on Youtube?
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It is a advertising pool on the internet. That's what so great about the internet, is you can subscribe to the same ads that YouTube has. Big missed point again. And it's not foolish that YouTube brings in $500k alone from Billiard Videos. That is a low estimate. Secondly. YouTube is not going out of it's way to advertise new billiard videos. This is being proved as we speak with a test run of a video on YouTube -vs- a Private website in a 24 hour period. Results tomorrow on this.
 
I disagree with this post. It is protectionism that will continue to hurt pool, and IMO, very backward instead of forward thinking. All putting those videos on an on-demand site will do is make sure that only hard core pool players see them. On demand pool will not bring in enough money to be worth what it. Instead, the pool community should flood the market with good quality pool that can be watched and help peak the interest of anyone and everyone.

A good example of this is Venom. He produced several videos of himself that drew great interest in his abilities, to the point that people were willing to watch professional productions of him.

The only way on demand stuff works is if people know the players and the match ups. Expose that to the market, and people may become interested enough to pay for new matches as they happen. Very few are going to pay for old stuff.
 
mantis99 said:
I disagree with this post. It is protectionism that will continue to hurt pool, and IMO, very backward instead of forward thinking. All putting those videos on an on-demand site will do is make sure that only hard core pool players see them. On demand pool will not bring in enough money to be worth what it. Instead, the pool community should flood the market with good quality pool that can be watched and help peak the interest of anyone and everyone.

A good example of this is Venom. He produced several videos of himself that drew great interest in his abilities, to the point that people were willing to watch professional productions of him.

The only way on demand stuff works is if people know the players and the match ups. Expose that to the market, and people may become interested enough to pay for new matches as they happen. Very few are going to pay for old stuff.
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Yes, but Florian did not get all that web traffic to his YouTube channel by itself, it was promoted through Facebook, Twitter, among many many other outlets. EVEN MYSELF contributed to the success! Even AZBILLIARDS made up at least 10% of those views on YouTube. I could ONLY imagine if he had his own website set up properly, and then used ALL of the outlets to drive the traffic to his own Website. He'd be a millionaire right now!

Edit: If Florian didn't nothing else, but post YouTube Videos, he'd still be struggling to get recognized. I'm going out on a limb, and posting some guestimates. Is YouTube probably contributed to 30% of organic hits to his videos.
 
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craZyErica said:
name one pool player has gotten a check from youtube for a video in which they were one of the players in a video??? can any of you name one? probably not....but i bet there was a check issued to someone who filmed the player .... or the person who posted it... but did they pay the player ? answer me that just one of you give me a name.........
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There is no TV contract for pool players.

The players went to the tournament to make money by winning some, the tournament and video streamers do that to promote the event and get viewers. More viewers can mean more players going to the room, watching the event, event gets more ads, means tournament keeps going, players get money by playing in it.

Look what happened to Earl when he refused to be on The Hustlers unless they paid him more. No Earl, show went on without him and he lost out on a huge potential future in appearances and name recognition outside of these forums.
 
Goldy said:
It is a advertising pool on the internet. That's what so great about the internet, is you can subscribe to the same ads that YouTube has. Big missed point again. And it's not foolish that YouTube brings in $500k alone from Billiard Videos. That is a low estimate. Secondly. YouTube is not going out of it's way to advertise new billiard videos. This is being proved as we speak with a test run of a video on YouTube -vs- a Private website in a 24 hour period. Results tomorrow on this.
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Of course your only counting ones evolving pro players ,,

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Goldy said:
I beg to differ. Diamond Billiard Products has record sales over the last year. Pool Room's are closing because of the room owners unwilling to change for the future, thinking pool has to remain part of some hustling gambit to survive. The rooms that are still open today were smart and adapted to the change of the generation. Also rooms have closed in areas where the economy was out of their control. Go meander in the Room Owner Discussion threads, and you'll learn that even though rooms are closing, there are new ones opening. :) Pool isn't going anywhere anytime soon. What remains in flux is the organization of people that can or could run 1 set of ethics for the sport in the United States. Hence why we have a huge opportunity in the online world to turn it around leveraging technology. It may not be the hustling action of the 60s 70s and 80s, but by golly we better grasp technology by the balls and use it the way it's intended to be used. Thinking that YouTube is gonna save freaking pool's reputation is laughable, nor organize efforts in the United States.
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I bet that Brunswick lost as much sales as Diamond has gained. What are the industry numbers? There was a funny article a while ago about decline in mini-van sales. They said "Ford, Chrysler and Dodge mini-van sales has been going down." Next line was "But Toyota, Honda and Nissan mini-van sales are up". So the market is not really getting smaller, the money spent is just shifting to another brand.
 
hang-the-9 said:
There is no TV contract for pool players.

The players went to the tournament to make money by winning some, the tournament and video streamers do that to promote the event and get viewers. More viewers can mean more players going to the room, watching the event, event gets more ads, means tournament keeps going, players get money by playing in it.
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So you just affirmed that the players are last on this list of getting paid. Is that what you just insinuated?
 
hang-the-9 said:
I bet that Brunswick lost as much sales as Diamond has gained. What are the industry numbers? There was a funny article a while ago about decline in mini-van sales. They said "Ford, Chrysler and Dodge mini-van sales has been going down." Next line was "But Toyota, Honda and Nissan mini-van sales are up". So the market is not really getting smaller, the money spent is just shifting to another brand.
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But many rooms are retrofitting, so there must be a reason for that? That is pure economics 101. Out with the old, in with the new. Hrmmmmmmmmmm.
 
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one stroke said:
Of course your only counting ones evolving pro players ,,

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I have a highlight video on Efren Reyes & James Davis Jr, from the Tornado Open this past October. It has close to 3,000 complete views on a private website with outside promotion from Facebook, Twitter, and AZBilliards.

If that same Video was posted to my YouTube channel, without any outside promotion, it would barely have 300 views right now.

http://thetornadoopen.com/2015/10/1...yes-10-ball-highlight/apblive-1_47-highlight/
 
Goldy said:
Uh oh!!! YouTube is losing!!! 36 - 21 now. Wonder why that is? Does YouTube promote our sport?? What could exactly be happening here.
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I'm confused about this, what numbers are these and for what? A random hidden stream on YouTube that no-one knows about vs people going to a site that they know has pool videos and get informed about when they are on?

If I have a mailing list of people interested in watching me pee, and they know what my private pee channel is, I am likely to get more views there than if I just sent the stream to YouTube of Ustream where random pee watches may happen across the video.
 
Goldy said:
I have a highlight video on Efren Reyes & James Davis Jr, from the Tornado Open this past October. It has close to 3,000 complete views on a private website with outside promotion from Facebook, Twitter, and AZBilliards.

If that same Video was posted to my YouTube channel, without any outside promotion, it would barely have 300 views right now.

http://thetornadoopen.com/2015/10/1...yes-10-ball-highlight/apblive-1_47-highlight/
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A promoted video has more views than an unpromoted video? Well, holy shit. I'm shocked.
 
Goldy said:
I have a highlight video on Efren Reyes & James Davis Jr, from the Tornado Open this past October. It has close to 3,000 complete views on a private website with outside promotion from Facebook, Twitter, and AZBilliards.

If that same Video was posted to my YouTube channel, without any outside promotion, it would barely have 300 views right now.

http://thetornadoopen.com/2015/10/1...yes-10-ball-highlight/apblive-1_47-highlight/
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How many of those 3000 views is your mouse doing the clicking?
 
Goldy said:
It is a advertising pool on the internet. That's what so great about the internet, is you can subscribe to the same ads that YouTube has. Big missed point again. And it's not foolish that YouTube brings in $500k alone from Billiard Videos. That is a low estimate. Secondly. YouTube is not going out of it's way to advertise new billiard videos. This is being proved as we speak with a test run of a video on YouTube -vs- a Private website in a 24 hour period. Results tomorrow on this.
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I am just going to say this as it pertains to me. I dont watch ads on youtube. I dont see the ads anwhere that I go. I have an ad blocker. I dont think youtube is really making anything off of me.

Along with that is the fact that lets say there was a specific website for me to go to where I could watch matches. If you want me to pay to go there then in all likelyhood I will not go there. The only way that I would go there is to see very high profile matches. The problem is that I pretty much buy all of those matches to begin with so there is little incentive for me to pay to go somewhere else to watch and I wont be watching ads either.

To be honest I wish you all kinds of success, but I just do not see it working.
 
Shannon.spronk said:
I am just going to say this as it pertains to me. I dont watch ads on youtube. I dont see the ads anwhere that I go. I have an ad blocker. I dont think youtube is really making anything off of me.

Along with that is the fact that lets say there was a specific website for me to go to where I could watch matches. If you want me to pay to go there then in all likelyhood I will not go there. The only way that I would go there is to see very high profile matches. The problem is that I pretty much buy all of those matches to begin with so there is little incentive for me to pay to go somewhere else to watch and I wont be watching ads either.

To be honest I wish you all kinds of success, but I just do not see it working.
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Thanks for supporting pool with your AdBlocker program. It shows exactly what you have in mind and your willingness sacrifice a few ads here and there that compensate the hard work by individuals you get to watch for FREE. Your claim, is exact post I've been looking for to support the title of this thread. I want to thank you for confirming what "REALLY" happens out there for people that work hard to provide you with all these videos FOR FREE, and most importantly for you, AD FREE as well.

BUT, not all is lost for you. BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND why you do this. I don't want to watch all of these relentless advertisements while I'm trying to enjoy pool online either. Especially ones that are unrelated to what I'm watching.

This is another reason why I would hope, a privatized situation for pool could yield better results in the advertisement sector, because those joining or watching on a private website would have MORE OF A conscious for what it stands for.

Don't tell AZ that your ad-blocker also blocks all the ads on this site. They may be a bit upset about that.
 
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watchez said:
How many of those 3000 views is your mouse doing the clicking?
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Mine are blocked as with a smart coder and developer adds lines of code like this:
Code: 
if ( ! is_admin() ) {
     echo "This counts persistent demagogues, aka - watchez on AZ, as a viewer";
} else if {
     echo "Don't count this guy, he's going to make pool great again!";
} else {
     echo "The Schlonginator";
}
 
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MahnaMahna said:
A promoted video has more views than an unpromoted video? Well, holy shit. I'm shocked.
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Yes sir! How many does YouTube promote for you? I mean, are they not making any profit because they've employed a billion people to do it for free? Hrmmmmmmmmmmm. LOL!
 
hang-the-9 said:
I'm confused about this, what numbers are these and for what? A random hidden stream on YouTube that no-one knows about vs people going to a site that they know has pool videos and get informed about when they are on?

If I have a mailing list of people interested in watching me pee, and they know what my private pee channel is, I am likely to get more views there than if I just sent the stream to YouTube of Ustream where random pee watches may happen across the video.
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No our first test is with an account that has 10 subscribers. I've contacted one of the largest billiard video rippers on YouTube, a.k.a. Genipool4 to put a test video out there for us on his account, to see the flip side to the coin.

The tests are to prove that YouTube does absolutely nothing to promote pool on its own.

A few more tests will ensure with promoting a video from outside sources, such as social media, and maybe even AZ. and see if there are any differences in the view counts with traffic is directed to YouTube or a Private Website.

I already know what the results will be, but I'm collecting the data for you all to see. Since many of you call me a liar and don't provide proof. We'll have some proof, and then we can debate all over again to why You Tube is ripping off the hard work of many.
 
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Goldy said:
No our first test is with an account that has 10 subscribers. I've contacted one of the largest billiard video rippers on YouTube, a.k.a. Genipool4 to put a test video out there for us on his account, to see the flip side to the coin.

The tests are to prove that YouTube does absolutely nothing to promote pool on its own.

A few more tests will ensure with promoting a video from outside sources, such as social media, and maybe even AZ. and see if there are any differences in the view counts with traffic is directed to YouTube or a Private Website.

I already know what the results will be, but I'm collecting the data for you all to see. Since many of you call me a liar and don't provide proof. We'll have some proof, and then we can debate all over again to why You Tube is ripping off the hard work of many.
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What happens if you advertise on outside sources for a YouTube video? Wouldn't that be a better comparison, or don't advertise either video and see who gets more views. Your comparing apples to oranges.


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